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Theris
Oct 9, 2007



Forgall posted:

I thought they were called tankies because they play world of tanks.

Nah, WoT players don't love Putin because he's anti-american in spite of him being a far right imperialist autocrat, they love him because he's a far right imperialist autocrat in spite of him being anti-american.

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Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


Benny Harvey posted:

Mainstream politicians shake hands with dictators too.

They do.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

teen witch posted:

One of the few pros of being Facebook friends with tankies is tankie infighting is this hilarious overblown nerd slapfest.

The cons are the massive amounts of off the wall apologia. I'd kill to never see another TeleSUR article in my future.

I love tankie poo poo on twitter because they are SO GODDAMNED SERIOUS about stuff that they will never have any impact on. I guess in the absence of any ability to affect the world having the correctest takes becomes super important.

Tetracube
Feb 12, 2014

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Pope Guilty posted:

I love tankie poo poo on twitter because they are SO GODDAMNED SERIOUS about stuff that they will never have any impact on. I guess in the absence of any ability to affect the world having the correctest takes becomes super important.

to be fair that's true of anyone on twitter in general

the entire site is an unending internet war between broken human beings over who can be the most Ideologically Pure

A White Guy
Dec 19, 2012

Never fear!
Japan is here!


Pope Guilty posted:

I love tankie poo poo on twitter because they are SO GODDAMNED SERIOUS about stuff that they will never have any impact on. I guess in the absence of any ability to affect the world having the correctest takes becomes super important.

The reason they're not more culturally relevant is that their credibility came and went with the Soviet Union. It's hard to be a credible communist wingnut when you have such a glaring example of the failure of your ideology to point to.

They'll have their day again, someday, but with the current almost-relevance of a few alt-right shitheads, that might not come for a while.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

A White Guy posted:

The reason they're not more culturally relevant is that their credibility came and went with the Soviet Union. It's hard to be a credible communist wingnut when you have such a glaring example of the failure of your ideology to point to.

They'll have their day again, someday, but with the current almost-relevance of a few alt-right shitheads, that might not come for a while.

And not only that but it's an ideology that the rest of the left absolutely loving despises.

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!



One think I, as a person who is probably on the far-left by most standards, hate about most far-left people is this assumption that the enemy of my enemy must be my friend. Like Gaddafi has to have been a good guy because he was against US imperialism and Russia's invasion of Ukraine is totally justified and good because the Americans dislike it.

A White Guy posted:

The only real difference between a neo-stalinist and a neo-nazi is which mustachioed 20th century dictator they choose to worship. That's why Nazi anarchists or Communist anarchists (which should both be oxymorons) can comfortably reconcile two seemingly totally opposite ideas. Authoritarians don't care about cognitive dissonance.

From a historical standpoint both Communist anarchists and Nazi anarchists make sense. Anarchism was of course originally part of the same movement as Communism and the two didn't really fully separate until the 1870s when Bakunin and Marx had a few too many differences.

The national anarchist side may seem a bit more far fetched since fascism is almost synonymous with authoritarian dictatorship so libertarian fascism would obviously be impossible. However in recent years the idea that fascism is simply totalitarianism (and the other side of the coin for Stalinism) has been in decline. Many modern scholars of fascism define it as "Palingenetic Ultra-Nationalism" that is to say a extremely nationalistic ideology where one of the core concepts is that of national rebirth. Facism is by thie definition a revolutionary force at its core although the fascist revolution is very different from the communist one in that instead of one class overthrowing another it aims to create a society where all the classes work together (know their place) for the betterment of the nation in the spirit of that nations mythic past. A lot of fascists writings include a seething hatred for the bourgeoisie who are seen as being lazy, decadent and literally or culturally Jewish in some way. Fascists were also predominantly young men who saw fascism as a youth movement of sorts. So it is entirely possible for a political group to be fascist and still be in favor of a small or even nonexistent government as the role of government is a relatively small part of fascist ideology.

Fascism is of course a complex beast but some of its roots are actually in anarchism. One proto-fascist group called itself the "Circle Proudhon" in homage to Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, one of the founding fathers of anarchist ideology. Not to mention that both Proudhon and Bakunin were quite anti-semetic even by 19th century standards.


tldr:
Both fascism and communism can be anarchistic as the core focus of fascism is less on government on more on national revolution and the core focus of communism is on a working class revolution.

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Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


FreudianSlippers posted:

One think I, as a person who is probably on the far-left by most standards, hate about most far-left people is this assumption that the enemy of my enemy must be my friend. Like Gaddafi has to have been a good guy because he was against US imperialism and Russia's invasion of Ukraine is totally justified and good because the Americans dislike it.

I suppose that sentiment ("the enemy of my enemy") is common on every side. I suppose it sticks out the most when it's leftists saying it because there's a bit of an impression that they ought to be above it, because that's the sort of thing you'd expect right-wingers to do. People criticised Margaret Thatcher very strongly and very consistently (and quite justifiably, I think) because she supported Pinochet, who was a cruel dictator, but I don't think those people were necessarily surprised that she did.

It's probably a bit cruel, but I have a bit of an impression that people are more likely to say, "Well, of course Reagan supported the mujaheddin! He's Ronald Reagan! Makes perfect sense!" than, "Sure, George Galloway is a lifelong advocate of minority rights and social justice,* so of course he would be in the tank for Saddam Hussein and Vladimir Putin! Makes perfect sense!"

* Provided the minority in question aren't Jews, I suppose

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.


Hetalia tankies are weird.

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005



TinTower posted:

Hetalia tankies are weird.



I'm America's phantom third arm.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


https://twitter.com/PhilGreaves01/s...144669844807680

OldMemes
Sep 5, 2011

I have to go now. My planet needs me.


On news sites like the Guardian, whenever they report something happening in a government in Asia or South America, you get at least one commenter saying it's part of the CIA/America's plot to prepare for an invasion. Because the US is just itching to start regime change again after how well that turned out, and possibly more racistly, they assume non-white people can't elect people who become corrupt and misuse power?

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011

I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving
And something has got to give


Ultra Carp

So is there a tankie equivant of Urbit/HPMOR/other rationalist and/or DE Big Dumb Projects? I do love crazy people's Big Dumb Projects.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow


Holy gently caress I know a guy in the Phillipines, and he has been terrified ever since Duterte won the election and has woken up to a new horror story everyday. gently caress youuuuuuuuuuuu

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Haha, of course he's a 9/11 Truther.

https://twitter.com/PhilGreaves01/s...691662109646848

https://twitter.com/PhilGreaves01/s...802788025536512

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

"Roll on, thou deep and dark blue ocean, roll!"



Yes, we're going to invade the Philippines again. That makes perfect sense, and will serve many of our strategic interests in the region, such as being Big And Bad.

pookel
Oct 27, 2011



Ultra Carp

Isn't Duterte a *right-wing* anti-American despot? Shouldn't they hate him on those grounds?

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


pookel posted:

Isn't Duterte a *right-wing* anti-American despot? Shouldn't they hate him on those grounds?

I think the "anti-American" part trumps the "right-wing" bit.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.



pookel posted:

Isn't Duterte a *right-wing* anti-American despot? Shouldn't they hate him on those grounds?

The same could be said of Putin, Kim Jong Un (any decent leftist knows Juche is really just ethnic nationalism) and Bashar Al-Assad. Tankies tend to boil everything down to the simplest possible dichotomy and construct their conpiracist worldview to fit.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


pookel posted:

Isn't Duterte a *right-wing* anti-American despot? Shouldn't they hate him on those grounds?

https://twitter.com/PhilGreaves01/s...161621694873600

https://twitter.com/PhilGreaves01/s...161767820201988

So I guess the logic is "sure, he's a bad guy, but Max Blumenthal is pointing it out in bad faith"?

Except when he suggests that Duterte didn't do anything bad after all. But you see, he's just asking questions!

https://twitter.com/PhilGreaves01/s...154907381698560

https://twitter.com/PhilGreaves01/s...156386628898816

The actual logic seems to be that right-wingers are only bad when they're from or allied with First World countries.

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone

Antivehicular posted:

So is there a tankie equivant of Urbit/HPMOR/other rationalist and/or DE Big Dumb Projects? I do love crazy people's Big Dumb Projects.

Here it is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.



The truly Correct thing to do would be to find some way to blame the west for Duterte's death squad dystopia. I mean, the CIA does have form in that department.

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006

by FactsAreUseless



He wants to present himself as an anti-racist anti-imperialist, yet apparently he thinks people from the Islamic world are too stupid to create a sophisticated paramilitary organization with international reach or something.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

Assisted Living Dracula of Wikipedia

DO NOT BELIEVE THIS MAN'S LIE!
Statist shill spreading FUD!

HODL!!


Antivehicular posted:

So is there a tankie equivant of Urbit/HPMOR/other rationalist and/or DE Big Dumb Projects? I do love crazy people's Big Dumb Projects.


Hate Fibration
Apr 8, 2013

FLÄSHYN!

Antivehicular posted:

So is there a tankie equivant of Urbit/HPMOR/other rationalist and/or DE Big Dumb Projects? I do love crazy people's Big Dumb Projects.

I have been waiting to share this! Welcome to Socialist Programmers on reddit! In that group I have found people who dislike object oriented programming languages because they believe the abstract concept of heirarchies is itself oppressive. There's also someone out there trying to use category theory to create a Marxist theory of logic by using adjoints in funny ways.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 6, 2010

by R. Guyovich


Hate Fibration posted:

I have been waiting to share this! Welcome to Socialist Programmers on reddit! In that group I have found people who dislike object oriented programming languages because they believe the abstract concept of heirarchies is itself oppressive. There's also someone out there trying to use category theory to create a Marxist theory of logic by using adjoints in funny ways.

That reddit is kinda funny, but it seems to be more on the level of "let's contribute to GNU projects and then talk about Lenin," than "let's bring about an ancap dystopia using Bitcoin."

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


https://twitter.com/PhilGreaves01/s...931972156375040

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.


Antivehicular posted:

So is there a tankie equivant of Urbit/HPMOR/other rationalist and/or DE Big Dumb Projects? I do love crazy people's Big Dumb Projects.

There's Harry Potter Becomes a Communist

Hate Fibration posted:

I have been waiting to share this! Welcome to Socialist Programmers on reddit! In that group I have found people who dislike object oriented programming languages because they believe the abstract concept of heirarchies is itself oppressive.

This does sound like that lovely alt-right "C+=" thing that started popping up around the time django got rid of master/slave and the PHP Foundation told everyone in core to not be cunts to each other.

TinTower has a new favorite as of 19:49 on Sep 8, 2016

Mycroft Holmes
Mar 26, 2010

To the Moon! For Queen and Country!



See, you could do something really interesting with a Communist Harry Potter. Magic invalidates a lot of traditional economic notions and the conditions amongst the persecuted underclass in Wizarding Britain is ripe for revolution. However, this fanfic is poo poo.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.


Mycroft Holmes posted:

However, this fanfic is poo poo.

It's simply magical.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Mycroft Holmes posted:

See, you could do something really interesting with a Communist Harry Potter. Magic invalidates a lot of traditional economic notions and the conditions amongst the persecuted underclass in Wizarding Britain is ripe for revolution. However, this fanfic is poo poo.

I couldn't get past the first few lines (the spelling alone was hurting my eyes), but it's a parody, right?

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.


Silver2195 posted:

I couldn't get past the first few lines (the spelling alone was hurting my eyes), but it's a parody, right?

Chapter 32 posted:


"Demotist forms of government are the problem," said Hagrid in a reactionary voice. "Demotism is when any power is given to the common people who don't deserve it. Once you give power to the mob, they can just vote all the money out of the treasury. That's why democracy leads to communism. Absolute monarchy is the only way."

"What?" I shouted in a voice of the poor people who were poor because of capitalism. "You're a loving monarchist?!"

"Yep!" said Hagrid in a monarchist way. Then he opened up his loving vest to reveal a purple shirt with a crown on it with the words, "Keep Calm and Support Monarchy".

What do you think?

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Silver2195 posted:

I couldn't get past the first few lines (the spelling alone was hurting my eyes), but it's a parody, right?

No, it's completely serious and lines like ""And now," Dumbledore continued, "allow me to introduce our new Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher, Professor Halliburton Pepsi!" A man in an expensive suit with a briefcase stepped forward. He was obviously a member of the arch-capitalist bourgeois elite. and ""Wow, that sounds like a great system!" exclaimed Parvati. "Why isn't our country run that way?" The average teenage boy would be overwhelmed by a girl as exotically glamorous as Parvati even paying attention to him, but I hardly noticed her shapely feminine body as I was concerned with a greater cause than delicious sex with her" are meant with utter deadly seriousness. I can see no way someone could manage to be sarcastic about such things

Hate Fibration
Apr 8, 2013

FLÄSHYN!

Jack of Hearts posted:

That reddit is kinda funny, but it seems to be more on the level of "let's contribute to GNU projects and then talk about Lenin," than "let's bring about an ancap dystopia using Bitcoin."

Yeah, I need to go digging to find those nutjobs again, they were pretty spectacular.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

Assisted Living Dracula of Wikipedia

DO NOT BELIEVE THIS MAN'S LIE!
Statist shill spreading FUD!

HODL!!


Silver2195 posted:

I couldn't get past the first few lines (the spelling alone was hurting my eyes), but it's a parody, right?

It looks mostly like he would like to stab HPMOR in its stupid face. I think it's genius and delight in every episode notification. Everyone should read it.

Hate Fibration
Apr 8, 2013

FLÄSHYN!

divabot posted:

It looks mostly like he would like to stab HPMOR in its stupid face. I think it's genius and delight in every episode notification. Everyone should read it.

My favorite will always be Harry Potter and the Most Electrifying Man.

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006

by FactsAreUseless


Hate Fibration posted:

I have been waiting to share this! Welcome to Socialist Programmers on reddit! In that group I have found people who dislike object oriented programming languages because they believe the abstract concept of heirarchies is itself oppressive. There's also someone out there trying to use category theory to create a Marxist theory of logic by using adjoints in funny ways.

So leftist Urbit does indeed exist.

Hate Fibration
Apr 8, 2013

FLÄSHYN!

Woolie Wool posted:

So leftist Urbit does indeed exist.

Aaah, I mixed up that subreddit with something someone who posted in that subreddit posted about on the general mathematics board. Behold, the dialectical foundations of mathematics.

Hate Fibration has a new favorite as of 03:05 on Sep 9, 2016

KawaiiAtomicBombs
Apr 15, 2016

~Ka-Boom~


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TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.




quote:

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