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Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Chomsky Boi

It does seem weird that Chomsky would back the regime supported, diplomatically if not materially, by the USA and the CCP. That's something I'll never get.

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Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Shitposting 24/7 without regrets. my parents would be proud.



Fojar38 posted:

Frankly I'm shocked that he's even acknowledging the Uigher genocide at all.

Maybe he learned something from that time he called all those Cambodian genocide survivors frauds who were just trying to demean the Khmer Rouge

he at least appologized for that. least he wasnt this sack of poo poo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial#Murder_of_Malcolm_Caldwell



Josef bugman posted:

It does seem weird that Chomsky would back the regime supported, diplomatically if not materially, by the USA and the CCP. That's something I'll never get.

because it was right after Vietnam and he assumed anything about a genocide coming out of SEasia was some lie or something.


thetoughestbean posted:

https://twitter.com/peterawolf/status/1386053817205207043?s=21

It is with a heavy heart that I must inform you that “what about Gaza?” is a horrible thing to use to downplay a genocide
yeah, they are just sent to torture centers and god knows what else. both things can be loving bad rear end in a top hat. gently caress the CCP and Apartide in Israel. it reminds me of my intro to goverment teacher in community college, the mother fucker was straight out of a chud chain email. it was during ISIS's rise and poo poo and most of his stuff was the "well we hung blacks from trees" poo poo so we don't really have the moral authority to judge them. its like sure i get it, but you can call poo poo bad without having to add some long caveat about how the US did and still does bad things. it got old.

https://twitter.com/peterawolf/status/1386088830055424007

like gonna be honest. gaza and the palastinians is a lost cause now. israel will probably get away with it and no one will care for various other reasons. there is no liberal youth in israel thats gonna reform and undo poo poo at this point. its only gonna get worse.

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Fojar38
Sep 1, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Dapper_Swindler posted:

he at least appologized for that. least he wasnt this sack of poo poo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial#Murder_of_Malcolm_Caldwell

Didn't Chomsky's "apology" consist of "Yes I was wrong about the genocide but I wasn't wrong to deny it?"

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Do not attempt to interact with the hogs.


Dapper_Swindler posted:

like gonna be honest. gaza and the palastinians is a lost cause now. israel will probably get away with it and no one will care for various other reasons. there is no liberal youth in israel thats gonna reform and undo poo poo at this point. its only gonna get worse.

There are absolutely Israelis who oppose the occupation, hell the mainstream criticism of the occupation from Israel is a lot harsher than the mainstream criticism you see from the United States!

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Shitposting 24/7 without regrets. my parents would be proud.



thetoughestbean posted:

There are absolutely Israelis who oppose the occupation, hell the mainstream criticism of the occupation from Israel is a lot harsher than the mainstream criticism you see from the United States!

well that makes me more hopeful then.


Fojar38 posted:

Didn't Chomsky's "apology" consist of "Yes I was wrong about the genocide but I wasn't wrong to deny it?"

possibly. thats kinda his style.

Julius CSAR
Oct 3, 2007

Switches Set


Noam Chumpsky

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Josef bugman posted:

It does seem weird that Chomsky would back the regime supported, diplomatically if not materially, by the USA and the CCP. That's something I'll never get.

The Khmer Rouge were supported by the US and CHina not just diplomatically, but very much materially. Americans funneled a poo poo ton of materiel into Cambodia, and even after Pol Pot got ousted, they kept funding Khmer Rouge guerillas from Thailand.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Chomsky Boi

steinrokkan posted:

The Khmer Rouge were supported by the US and CHina not just diplomatically, but very much materially. Americans funneled a poo poo ton of materiel into Cambodia, and even after Pol Pot got ousted, they kept funding Khmer Rouge guerillas from Thailand.

Oh dear.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

To witness titanic events is always dangerous, usually painful, and often fatal.







Sounds like the DPRKNC is behind this, or would be, if it were not for the perpetual revolution brought about by Kim Il-Sung Thought.

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Do not attempt to interact with the hogs.


https://twitter.com/chrisledf/status/1386348061048246273?s=21

He’s still bappin

SMEGMA_MAIL
May 4, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021





steinrokkan posted:

The Khmer Rouge were supported by the US and CHina not just diplomatically, but very much materially. Americans funneled a poo poo ton of materiel into Cambodia, and even after Pol Pot got ousted, they kept funding Khmer Rouge guerillas from Thailand.

The Khmer Rouge were also monarchists in one of the most unexpected but also just terrible bedfellows of all time.

Basically everyone but the USSR was just trying to gently caress over Vietnam by proxy for engaging in what is probably among the most justified wars of all time against the Khmer Rogue.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Chomsky Boi

SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

Basically everyone but the USSR was just trying to gently caress over Vietnam by proxy for engaging in what is probably among the most justified wars of all time against the Khmer Rogue.

It still seems incredible to me that so many people across the political spectrum just zero'd in on "gently caress them for stopping people coming across the border to murder civilians".

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It is a powerful visual metaphor for my posting.


The idea that global politics ever operates on genuine humanitarian concerns is one of the most pervasive and wrong ideas people have about the subject. The rule is more that every country is trying to make the world worse for everyone who isn't them (and often specifically only the people in charge)

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?




Now I'm really curious how the Rabaa massacre and the Ghouta attack led to covid in his opinion

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011




Josef bugman posted:

It still seems incredible to me that so many people across the political spectrum just zero'd in on "gently caress them for stopping people coming across the border to murder civilians".

The crucial thing here is that this is past the point of the Sino-Soviet split and US rapprochement with communist China. China and the US (and Thailand) see Vietnam as a country in the Soviet sphere in South East Asia and as a consequence support their enemies. Vietnam didn't invade Cambodia to stop a genocide, that was incidental though probably not undesirable, they invaded because of Cambodian (Cambodia being a Chinese ally) border incursions, which in turn prompted a Chinese invasion of Vietnam.

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TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.


https://twitter.com/whysobaizuo/status/1373098998899298305?s=21

EasilyConfused
Nov 21, 2009


one strong toad

OwlFancier posted:

The idea that global politics ever operates on genuine humanitarian concerns is one of the most pervasive and wrong ideas people have about the subject. The rule is more that every country is trying to make the world worse for everyone who isn't them (and often specifically only the people in charge)

That's bleak as hell. Self-interest is certainly fundamental to politics (global or otherwise), but to claim genuine humanitarian concerns don't have an impact is a pretty big exaggeration.

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007



They will welcome us as liberators.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It is a powerful visual metaphor for my posting.


EasilyConfused posted:

That's bleak as hell. Self-interest is certainly fundamental to politics (global or otherwise), but to claim genuine humanitarian concerns don't have an impact is a pretty big exaggeration.

I am sure there are a few exceptions but if you want a general rule for how international politics works that one is certainly the one I would suggest.

And it is only bleak if you believe that the ideal expression of human activity is the nation state, rather than thinking that that form of organization makes us crueller.

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!



What Israel is doing in Palestine is what Britain did in northern Ireland and what America did in all of America. Which is why those two countries are Israel's biggest supporters.

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Do not attempt to interact with the hogs.


FreudianSlippers posted:

What Israel is doing in Palestine is what Britain did in northern Ireland and what America did in all of America. Which is why those two countries are Israel's biggest supporters.

Extremely on topic and not out of nowhere, no sir

Dr. Luau
Mar 14, 2010


Bryter posted:

I don’t think the idea that creating the EPA indicates any moderation on Nixon’s part stands up to scrutiny. Rick Perlstein:

Not for nothing, but it reeks of bias and a lack of self-awareness to say that what Nixon said to one group of people he wanted to please was a bald-faced lie but what he said to another group of people that he wanted to please, well obviously that was the truth.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Chomsky Boi

Dr. Luau posted:

Not for nothing, but it reeks of bias and a lack of self-awareness to say that what Nixon said to one group of people he wanted to please was a bald-faced lie but what he said to another group of people that he wanted to please, well obviously that was the truth.

I mean, it seems more likely that Nixon wanted to have his cake and eat it. That and the amount of swearing involved in the quote to auto makers makes me think it's closer to accurate, especially considering [redacted] being such a used part of the white house tapes.

SMEGMA_MAIL
May 4, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021





Nixon also overtly wanted policy that would make black folks and leftists suffer for the sake of it, my point is that even then politics was very different, economic policy was way less polarized, you couldn’t really sum up all dems or republicans as supporting Kenysian policy or m in favor of austerity policy.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers


Dr. Luau posted:

Not for nothing, but it reeks of bias and a lack of self-awareness to say that what Nixon said to one group of people he wanted to please was a bald-faced lie but what he said to another group of people that he wanted to please, well obviously that was the truth.

Yes, Richard Nixon may indeed have been lying in private and being honest with the public. This certainly lines up with what we know about him.

Pharohman777
Jan 14, 2012



Esha thinks the myanmar protestors are crypto fascists who know about the symbol of a Ukrainian fascist party.
Instead of the more realistic and simple explanation of protesters seeing the hunger games movies and coopting the rebels salute from the movie.
https://twitter.com/JKrasnopolskiy/status/1386797048784109569
https://twitter.com/eshaLegal/status/1386802107500617733
https://twitter.com/keisrn/status/1386815309282254848
https://twitter.com/eshaLegal/status/1386722728481284109

Julius CSAR
Oct 3, 2007

Switches Set


Regime Change University Alumni Association

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014






Okay, but can you prove the Hunger Games franchise is not promoting Ukrainian ultranationalists? Checkmate.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

To witness titanic events is always dangerous, usually painful, and often fatal.





I know this is getting into highly abstract theoretical territory, but it seems also conceivable that the Myanmar residents also have hands with four fingers and an opposable thumb, and that holding three of them up while resting your thumb on your pinky might have been independently invented there.

Now, I'm aware that the CIA invented the concept of "fingers," as well as "cinema," "the nation-state," "organized militaries," and "ceremonial burial," but it really does seem like it could be an independent reinvention.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014






Nessus posted:

I know this is getting into highly abstract theoretical territory, but it seems also conceivable that the Myanmar residents also have hands with four fingers and an opposable thumb, and that holding three of them up while resting your thumb on your pinky might have been independently invented there.

Now, I'm aware that the CIA invented the concept of "fingers," as well as "cinema," "the nation-state," "organized militaries," and "ceremonial burial," but it really does seem like it could be an independent reinvention.

Based on news coverage, the initial use of that gesture by the Myanmar protesters was indeed inspired by Hunger Games. Its spread is obviously due to how simple it is to reproduce and the fact that people like to do gestures with their hands. Not the wildest thing when you remember all the people cosplaying the Joker at various protests.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Hunger Games is CIA psy-op, hence gently caress me up junta daddy

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Do not attempt to interact with the hogs.


Nessus posted:

Now, I'm aware that the CIA invented the concept of "fingers," as well as "cinema," "the nation-state," "organized militaries," and "ceremonial burial," but it really does seem like it could be an independent reinvention.

They also invented the concept of “show, don’t tell”

Don Gato
Apr 28, 2013

Actually a bipedal cat.

Grimey Drawer

Paladinus posted:

Based on news coverage, the initial use of that gesture by the Myanmar protesters was indeed inspired by Hunger Games. Its spread is obviously due to how simple it is to reproduce and the fact that people like to do gestures with their hands. Not the wildest thing when you remember all the people cosplaying the Joker at various protests.

It's not the first time that happened, rebels in Myanmar also quoted the 2008 Rambo as a battlecry due to the government banning the movie as the antagonists were literally the military junta running the country, and as a result bootleg copies got picked up as an anti-government movie.


Edit: it's not a great movie but I can see the appeal of "corrupt Junta soldiers get brutally murdered for 10 minutes" if you're any kind of dissident.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.


OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It is a powerful visual metaphor for my posting.


dib dib dib dob dob dob destroy communism.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Shitposting 24/7 without regrets. my parents would be proud.



Pharohman777 posted:

Esha thinks the myanmar protestors are crypto fascists who know about the symbol of a Ukrainian fascist party.
Instead of the more realistic and simple explanation of protesters seeing the hunger games movies and coopting the rebels salute from the movie.
https://twitter.com/JKrasnopolskiy/status/1386797048784109569
https://twitter.com/eshaLegal/status/1386802107500617733
https://twitter.com/keisrn/status/1386815309282254848
https://twitter.com/eshaLegal/status/1386722728481284109

So why are they cool with the junta? Also I like how this moron thinks that random protesters are all trained at the school of the Americas and not you know the junta.


Ah yes, the anarchists have a well known history of working with the CIA. Now of you excuse me, but I have to support brave foreign cops.

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Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

Now prepare yourselves! You're the guests of honor at the Greatest Kung Fu Cannibal BBQ Ever!



thetoughestbean posted:

They also invented the concept of “show, don’t tell”

yes, who can forget the most famous moment of Soviet Cinema, the Odessa Steps Expository Monologue.

Douche Wolf 89
Dec 9, 2010




Why won't the anarkiddies let me into their group? We need left unity, all I did was copjacket them. Hello police?

ChaseSP
Mar 25, 2013



Dapper_Swindler posted:

So why are they cool with the junta? Also I like how this moron thinks that random protesters are all trained at the school of the Americas and not you know the junta.

The USA has spoken out against it as well as taken measures against it so obviously this means that the junta is all a CIA backed conspiracy, wait a minute this doesn't seem to make a lick of sense at all!

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Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

To witness titanic events is always dangerous, usually painful, and often fatal.





ChaseSP posted:

The USA has spoken out against it as well as taken measures against it so obviously this means that the junta is all a CIA backed conspiracy, wait a minute this doesn't seem to make a lick of sense at all!
It makes perfect sense - the USA said it was bad; therefore it was good.

Now is that a useful metric, beyond perhaps a general wariness when it comes to political relationships? Does it increase the good in the world? I would say no, but I would also say that the well being of the people in Myanmar is absolutely not the point; the point is to signify against Amerikkka on Twitter.

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