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Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Amanda Froelich posted:

I’m a 20-year-young Holistic Nutritionist (RHN Diploma, CSNN), Live Foods Chef (previous work experience at the Tree of Life Rejuvenation Center, Pomegranate Café (AZ), and Farm of Life (Costa Rica)), Energy Worker (Reiki II), Artist, Musical vocalist and instrument player, Freelance Writer (specialty: alternative health, sustainable living, conscious living and spiritual connectedness), and entrepreneur.

The italicization of Artist is hers.

You'd expect someone with a bio like that to believe a lot of other silly things, but 1930s-style antisemitism is a surprising one.

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Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 6, 2010

by R. Guyovich


I appreciate the fact that so many extremely tedious people all decided to use the same basic template for their "about me" sections. It's like an accidental public service.

The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005
THIS CUSTOM TITLE WILL COME IN HANDY WHILE LURKING



Electing straight up Nazis to run your country has its perks!

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


https://twitter.com/PhilGreaves01/s...697528431570945

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!



Silver2195 posted:

The italicization of Artist is hers.

You'd expect someone with a bio like that to believe a lot of other silly things, but 1930s-style antisemitism is a surprising one.

There is a slight overlap between New Agey types and Neo-Nazis. Usually they are more in one group than the other like a hippie living in a tent who seems pretty typical but has really strong opinions about "The Jews" or a hardline fascist in jackboots who is really into of occult and New Age stuff and thinks Hitler was the avatar of a Hindu God. Those sort of people are on the fringe of both groups and generally loathed by the average person in either group though. I think it might just be a result of both putting a heavy emphasis on certain things being natural and therefore automatically good and both tend to believe in a lot of conspiracy theories.

FreudianSlippers has a new favorite as of 03:59 on Sep 17, 2016

Hellequin
Feb 26, 2008

You Scream! You open your TORN, ROTTED, DECOMPOSED MOUTH AND SCREAM!

Phil Greaves is my favourite internet tankie because he's like a bad Maoist pamphlet come to life, he's the sort of dude who would have ended up calling himself Hoxhaist in the '70s. And he's arrogant and self righteous as gently caress about it too, and attacks anyone (including others on the radical left, like David Graeber) who doesn't subscribe to his loving weird brand of anti-revisionist Marxism-Leninism.

Also check this poo poo out:

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

I like that he talks like he's being badly translated from Russian

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012




Someone tried to add me on Facebook with the About info mentioning being a Holodomor denialist so I figured I'd hunt down this thread again.

Have we discussed Maoist Rebel News yet?



His youtube channel is a bit...intense ( because there appears to be videos about krokodil for whatever purpose)



Interested in more wild rear end beliefs? Check out the Stalin Society of North America and Espresso Stalinist.

Somebody has a new favorite as of 17:54 on Sep 21, 2016

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


I sometimes wonder how these guys process people defecting from North Korea and exposing various unpalatable facets of its regime.

But then I remember, those defectors are all paid-up pro-western imperialist neoliberal (and possibly Jewish Zionist) shills and running dogs and it only counts when Edward Snowden does it because criticising North Korea is "punching down".

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012




Wheat Loaf posted:

I sometimes wonder how these guys process people defecting from North Korea and exposing various unpalatable facets of its regime.

But then I remember, those defectors are all paid-up pro-western imperialist neoliberal (and possibly Jewish Zionist) shills and running dogs and it only counts when Edward Snowden does it because criticising North Korea is "punching down".

Anyone who dares to sully the name of DPRK are liberals, neocolonialist, imperialist orientalist, racist, and so on, and so forth.

The defectors stories "can't be trusted," "obviously biased," "western plants" and "NK doesn't have to justify itself to Western imperialism."

pookel
Oct 27, 2011



Ultra Carp

Apparently Espresso Stalin and Maoist Rebel News hate each other. I don't understand half the terminology used here, but I find this slapfight funny: https://maoistrebelnews.com/2016/07...shonesty-again/

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


https://maoistrebelnews.com/2011/01...ral-revolution/

quote:

In 1966 over a million students were in Beijing at any given time. These students were there to openly criticize the reactionary and authoritarian teachers and education systems. The complaint was that the teachers were creating experts with no political consciousness. The result of this student rebellion was rightist and revisionist administrators and teachers were paraded through the streets with dunce caps and were made subject to public criticism at meetings and all-night “struggle sessions.”

When did this ever happen here? Where in the Western world was it ever okay to disobey teachers who were taking students something they thought was wrong and corrected them in such a way? Never, but during the Cultural Revolution the students decided what they would be learning. They democratized the education system and the students organized it.

Red Guard organizations changed the old imperial names of streets and stores and searched homes, temples and churches for evidence of counter-revolutionary activities, hoarding wealth, and the practice of feudal customs. This was not mindless violence that was portrayed in the Western press, but a political movement to uproot the old ideas and customs of the exploiting classes. However, there were excesses, including serious physical attacks on people in relatively privileged positions, which Mao and others in the party leadership recognized and sought to correct.

quote:

On a more important note, if Mao was such a dictator, then why did he allow this [the "January Storm"] to happen? Surely a dictator would object to the entire party apparatus in a city being over thrown being. It was nothing of the sort, Mao hailed them as having a true revolutionary spirit. They were confronted with an unjust and harmful government policy and they destroyed it.

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006

by FactsAreUseless


There were excesses. Mistakes were made, Responsibility is avoided when the passive voice is used.

Lazy Reservist
Nov 30, 2005

FUBIJAR

Wanna trigger a tankie? Ask them about Holodomor.

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001





Pillbug

it never happened, but if it did they deserved it.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

Assisted Living Dracula of Wikipedia

DO NOT BELIEVE THIS MAN'S LIE!
Statist shill spreading FUD!

HODL!!


Literally the one time a tankie will decide, well, maybe Robert Conquest wasn't so bad after all.

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012




uber_stoat posted:

it never happened, but if it did they deserved it.

I've seen this unironically and it is horrifying.

Would recommend bringing up Stalin's relationship with Jewish people and see how well that goes over.

The Sausages
Sep 30, 2012

What do you want to do? Who do you want to be?


I can only wonder if these guys would laugh at Life of Brian, oblivious to the fact that it's their bullshit getting called out as much as than their rival politicos, or if they'd punch a hole in the loving screen and start a 14 page essay explaining how because of the inherent bourgeois revisionism all satirists must be strangled with piano wire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS-0Az7dgRY#t=70s

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.


teen witch posted:

I've seen this unironically and it is horrifying.

Would recommend bringing up Stalin's relationship with Jewish people and see how well that goes over.

Alternatively, Kronstadt.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

Assisted Living Dracula of Wikipedia

DO NOT BELIEVE THIS MAN'S LIE!
Statist shill spreading FUD!

HODL!!


The Sausages posted:

I can only wonder if these guys would laugh at Life of Brian, oblivious to the fact that it's their bullshit getting called out as much as than their rival politicos, or if they'd punch a hole in the loving screen and start a 14 page essay explaining how because of the inherent bourgeois revisionism all satirists must be strangled with piano wire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS-0Az7dgRY#t=70s

Leftists (and not just tankies) know it's all about those other leftists.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet




Slippery Tilde

Hate Fibration posted:

I have been waiting to share this! Welcome to Socialist Programmers on reddit! In that group I have found people who dislike object oriented programming languages because they believe the abstract concept of heirarchies is itself oppressive. There's also someone out there trying to use category theory to create a Marxist theory of logic by using adjoints in funny ways.

Thank you so much for this.

quote:

I don't think internships are a good idea. Neither is exchanging your labor for capitalist money because it routinely being used to subjugate other workers, especially workers of color.

Corporations don't deserve your skills.

You should dedicate yourself to an open source project and make a real contribution to humanity, far outside the tower of capitalism glaring down on you.

I'm actually looking for someone to build a software application for me that uses open source sources of information. We were going to pay, but if you know of someone who'll do it for free please PM me. Its a stock trade evaluator.

Bolded my favorite part.

I clicked his name, then clicked around a bit and found a thread about a student who had his grade lowered for refusing to stand for the pledge of allegiance, with this post from the same guy:

quote:

I wish more people would open their minds about this. Once people are woke, 9/11 almost seems like it has a moral justification.



Link to post: https://m.reddit.com/r/news/comment...red_for/d7qsr0q

pookel
Oct 27, 2011



Ultra Carp

divabot posted:

Literally the one time a tankie will decide, well, maybe Robert Conquest wasn't so bad after all.
Educate me, why is this? Didn't he expose the Holodomor?

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


The Sausages posted:

Life of Brian

Some sort of Zionist propaganda, surely?

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

Assisted Living Dracula of Wikipedia

DO NOT BELIEVE THIS MAN'S LIE!
Statist shill spreading FUD!

HODL!!


pookel posted:

Educate me, why is this? Didn't he expose the Holodomor?

Conquest wrote The Great Terror, detailing all the awfulness of Stalin in relentless detail. The second edition, after a pile of documents came out showing the truth was actually even worse, could reasonably have been subtitled I loving Told You So, Didn't I, Why Yes I Believe That I In Fact Did. But, he doesn't call the Holodomor a "genocide", so tankies will wave him around as incontrovertible proof that your so-called-Holodomor was, I dunno, some sort of physical improvement camp or something.

Example I linked earlier in the thread. I actually tracked that cite down and it was a cite of a cite of a quote from an unpublished letter from 2004. Think of a creationist quote-mining Charles Darwin, and you'll get the idea.

Rasler
Dec 30, 2008


The Sausages posted:

I can only wonder if these guys would laugh at Life of Brian, oblivious to the fact that it's their bullshit getting called out as much as than their rival politicos, or if they'd punch a hole in the loving screen and start a 14 page essay explaining how because of the inherent bourgeois revisionism all satirists must be strangled with piano wire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS-0Az7dgRY#t=70s

I'm not sure if the sketch was aimed more at Stalinist sects than other left ones in the UK, whose ability to 'split' was and is still incredible to behold for how common it is. Having said that, even far-left political parties in the UK that were specifically set up to counter Stalinism and Stalinist communism had and have the ability to be massive arseholes to even their own members.

Take, for example, the "SWP Crisis" in 2011 when the Socialist Worker's Party disintegrated over surprise sex and sexual assault allegations. It's hard to find a good overview of what happened but New Statesman has an article that is mostly accurate.

TLDR is that a woman gets raped by the leader of the party, they acquit him after an internal investigation and cover it all up to the membership. Party members who aren't happy about it get expelled, massive shitstorm happens after mainstream media gets hold of the story, leadership of the party clamps down on all dissent and ends up splitting the party, then still doesn't handle it properly and the party splits again, and then the first split splits again a year later over a picture of a black woman being used as a chair.

That last bit is true.

Lazy Reservist
Nov 30, 2005

FUBIJAR

Sounds like a loving high school clique.

DeusExMachinima
Sep 2, 2012

This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!

Put this loser on ignore immediately!



quote:

Red Guard organizations changed the old imperial names of streets and stores and searched homes, temples and churches for evidence of counter-revolutionary activities, hoarding wealth, and the practice of feudal customs. This was not mindless violence that was portrayed in the Western press, but a political movement to uproot the old ideas and customs of the exploiting classes.

Searching people's abodes and places of worship en masse and arresting them for badthink, maybe it's not as bad as we've been led to believe you guys?

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001





Pillbug

Rasler posted:

TLDR is that a woman gets raped by the leader of the party, they acquit him after an internal investigation and cover it all up to the membership. Party members who aren't happy about it get expelled, massive shitstorm happens after mainstream media gets hold of the story, leadership of the party clamps down on all dissent and ends up splitting the party, then still doesn't handle it properly and the party splits again, and then the first split splits again a year later over a picture of a black woman being used as a chair.

That last bit is true.

I guess this is why I follow right wing political currents more closely than this kind of thing. the far right has the potential to actually cause harm. people like these guys are a danger to themselves and no one else. good for ridiculing and nothing more.

pookel
Oct 27, 2011



Ultra Carp

DeusExMachinima posted:

Searching people's abodes and places of worship en masse and arresting them for badthink, maybe it's not as bad as we've been led to believe you guys?
Well at least it wasn't mindless violence. It was carefully planned violence, which is totally different because

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


uber_stoat posted:

people like these guys are a danger to themselves and no one else.

Maybe true-ish in general, but you chose an unfortunate example to illustrate your point. Someone who rapes other far-leftists can't be trusted not to surprise sex other people as well. And the surprise sex of the other SWP member shouldn't be fuel for ridicule either; it was genuinely awful and should be treated as such.

Silver2195 has a new favorite as of 22:04 on Sep 21, 2016

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001





Pillbug

Silver2195 posted:

Maybe true-ish in general, but you chose an unfortunate example to illustrate your point. Someone who rapes other far-leftists can't be trusted not to surprise sex other people as well.

mostly referring to that life of brian splitter tendency, and the fact that far leftist people have no influence on politics outside of their own little enclaves, but yeah, maybe not the best example to use.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


uber_stoat posted:

mostly referring to that life of brian splitter tendency, and the fact that far leftist people have no influence on politics outside of their own little enclaves, but yeah, maybe not the best example to use.

Sure, you can have a laugh at a little gang of far-left stereotypes who all have rich dads, because what are they realistically going to do? They're the sort who'd be first against the wall when the revolution came.

Meanwhile, Donald Trump is going to be president in about a month and a half, which makes the alt-right people a lot less funny.

Hellequin
Feb 26, 2008

You Scream! You open your TORN, ROTTED, DECOMPOSED MOUTH AND SCREAM!

Rasler posted:

I'm not sure if the sketch was aimed more at Stalinist sects than other left ones in the UK, whose ability to 'split' was and is still incredible to behold for how common it is. Having said that, even far-left political parties in the UK that were specifically set up to counter Stalinism and Stalinist communism had and have the ability to be massive arseholes to even their own members.

Take, for example, the "SWP Crisis" in 2011 when the Socialist Worker's Party disintegrated over surprise sex and sexual assault allegations. It's hard to find a good overview of what happened but New Statesman has an article that is mostly accurate.

TLDR is that a woman gets raped by the leader of the party, they acquit him after an internal investigation and cover it all up to the membership. Party members who aren't happy about it get expelled, massive shitstorm happens after mainstream media gets hold of the story, leadership of the party clamps down on all dissent and ends up splitting the party, then still doesn't handle it properly and the party splits again, and then the first split splits again a year later over a picture of a black woman being used as a chair.

That last bit is true.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Kim Ives posted:

[Dady] Chery also slaughters many sacred cows. I particularly liked her spirited defense of the institution of restavek, which is often presented by North American liberals as child slavery. “One cannot talk about orphaned Haitian children without confronting two highly controversial and interwoven subjects: Vodou and restavek,” Chery writes. “Both are part of the very fabric of the Haitian family, which is currently under vicious attack.”

Chery’s mother had been a restavek in her grandparents’ home, and she relates many anecdotes to argue that the “restavek system is profoundly subversive in that it intimately binds Haitians of different socioeconomic classes.”

Dady Chery posted:

Vaccines are an amazing opportunity to administer drugs to perfectly healthy people. Normally you give drugs to people who are sick. In the case of vaccinations, you are taking perfectly healthy people and giving them something that might actually harm them. Now, there is the notion of primum no nocere: first do no harm. This is part of the Hippocratic oath. You are not supposed to harm people, if you are a doctor and you are trying to help them. Okay. So that’s number one.

Silver2195 has a new favorite as of 14:58 on Oct 3, 2016

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


I'm not equipped to comment on the top one, but I have to confess I'm a bit reminded of when I had to read up on FGM for a class I took in university and came across a few too many sources than I would have liked insisting that it's basically always racist or at least culturally insensitive to try and prosecute people who do it.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007



Lazy Reservist posted:

Wanna trigger a tankie? Ask them about Holodomor.
Phil Greaves seems to be a lot of people's favorite tankie here, and I remember one of my FB friends linking to this long convo he had with someone about Operation Lentil, the name for Stalin's forced deportation of Chechens during World War II. At best, Phil thought it could have been handled better, but he thinks it was totally justified to flush out a few Nazi collaborators among them. The only moral genocide is my genocide.

Nobody's mentioned RedKahina, though. She's definitely my favorite. She rolls with Phil Greaves and company on Twitter. She thinks that the Soviet Union's vaccines were effective vaccines and that the Gates Foundation's "capitalist" vaccines promote eugenics.

https://twitter.com/RedKahina/status/564545291635142657

She thinks that this is an insult towards Chapo Trap House, a left-of-center podcast that isn't left enough for her tastes and has the gall to have a sense of humor.

https://twitter.com/RedKahina/status/744630043993849856

I'm looking down her timeline for more stupid poo poo and she's flipping her lid about these guys, who are against Israeli occupation but are somehow fraudulent about it. I don't loving know. (Admittedly, Ben Norton's articles are a chore to read, they always hit the same notes over and over again. Perfect for Salon)

https://twitter.com/RedKahina/status/783077404017299457

Oh, and her real name is Molly Klein and she's a fabulously wealthy heiress of the guy who brought Playboy TV to hotels. So wrap your head around that. Also, if you call her an "heiress," you're an anti-Semite.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

She got really obsessed with Vice columnist Molly Crabapple a few years back and obsessively tracked her every movement under the belief that Crabapple was a secret CIA agent polluting the left with her evil boobs.

I would never have known who Molly Crabapple even was if Redkahina hadn't gotten a huge hatecrush on her

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007



The Vosgian Beast posted:

She got really obsessed with Vice columnist Molly Crabapple a few years back
Incorrect use of the past tense. She namedropped Crabapple in her recent tweets as well. Politically insane people never forget a grudge.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

get that OUT of my face posted:

Incorrect use of the past tense. She namedropped Crabapple in her recent tweets as well. Politically insane people never forget a grudge.

https://twitter.com/MeinyKampfappel

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TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.


get that OUT of my face posted:

Phil Greaves seems to be a lot of people's favorite tankie here, and I remember one of my FB friends linking to this long convo he had with someone about Operation Lentil, the name for Stalin's forced deportation of Chechens during World War II. At best, Phil thought it could have been handled better, but he thinks it was totally justified to flush out a few Nazi collaborators among them. The only moral genocide is my genocide.

Speaking of forced deportations, the tankie salt over Eurovision this year was so delicious.

It's notable that when the UN were defining the international crime of genocide, the Soviet Union opposed any definition that would include actions like Katyn or the forced deportation of groups Volga Germans (which worked hand in hand with Stalin's view that ethnic minority/SSR autonomy movements were bourgeois nationalism but Russian nationalism was actually pretty cool).

In turn, of course, this had the effect of creating confusion over whether Armenia would legally count as genocide.

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