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New best value Gen 4 drive? https://www.techpowerup.com/review/adata-xpg-atom-50-1-tb/ 5000/4500 R/W, solid random read/writes, good real-world performance. A Gen 4 controller that runs cool under heavy load, even with low airflow and no heatsink. $120 for 1TB, which is the price the SN550 was at six months ago. Wild. It's adata though, so who knows what you're getting if you buy this after the launch batch. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 09:48 on Jan 16, 2022 |
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Apparently WD My Books (HDD) come with mandatory hardware encryption. Does that make data recovery impossible/a PITA in the case of the drive dying?
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Rinkles posted:Apparently WD My Books (HDD) come with mandatory hardware encryption. Does that make data recovery impossible/a PITA in the case of the drive dying? A self-encrypting drive has an Authentication Key (the password you type in) and a Data Encryption Key (the actual key used to en/decrypt what's on the drive). If you don't turn on encryption, they use an Authentication Key that's all zeros. That means as long as the DEK still exists, recovery is trivial. OTOH if the DEK is gone I think recovery would be impossible. I dunno if self-encrypting HDDs keep a backup of the DEK on the platters, or if it only exists in the controller board. Kinda doubt it. If not, and something happened to completely destroy the controller, you'd be poo poo outta luck. However, most of the time HDD death is from the moving parts, not the controller. So IMO you have very good odds of getting data recovery by a $$$ professional company with a dead drive. (anything you would need to pay $$$ to have data recovery for, you should have backed up and consider offsite / cloud.)
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Old SSD (CT512M4SSD2) I've had for a few years in my gaming PC that was originally pulled from a enterprise server: New Evo 970+ I just picked up tonight:  Only took an hour to prep and clone the drive and it is absolutely noticeable with even general tasks. I mean I knew I was dealing with old tech and it certainly wasn't a bottleneck or slow by any means, but holy poo poo
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I just had a samsung NVME drive die on me today. Started getting data integrity errors and throwing alerts in the event log. Luckily I had a barely used 1TB Liteon replacement disk (only 2tbw) pulled from a Dell tower I could swap the OS to while I wait for RMA. I had to use clonezilla to clone it, using the rescue flag, as macrium poo poo itself on some bad sectors. Turned out to just be a couple cellphone videos which wouldn't transfer over. Getting the 970 out from under the giant Thermalright CPU heatsink was such a miserable experience that I don't think I'll be in a rush to swap it again. I'm not sure about the temp drive though - I haven't heard much good about Liteon disks' reliability. I just wish I could find data on drive cache or expected performance for this particular disk, but there's nothing really available that I can find Haven't had an SSD die since my original OCZ vertex 2 barfed up the system32 folder so I guess I was due. None of my other samsung SATA drives have given me any issues at least, going back to my old 128GB 830 which I finally retired to occasional USB enclosure duty.
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I use always the lowest m.2 slots on motherboard first. gently caress putting the ssd behind GPU and CPU.
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Ihmemies posted:I use always the lowest m.2 slots on motherboard first. gently caress putting the ssd behind GPU and CPU. Right now it doesn't make a difference that is noticeable outside of benchmarks, but in the hypothetical future of DirectStorage and other things that actually use nvme bandwidth that's not ideal. Generally the upper slot is connected directly to the CPU, and any additional slots will be supported by the chipset. Depending on which platform you're on that may represent a possible bandwidth constraint.
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Ihmemies posted:I use always the lowest m.2 slots on motherboard first. gently caress putting the ssd behind GPU and CPU.
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Is there a recommended bootable USB utility to initiate a secure erase on an NVMe drive? My Surface Pro 4's SSD is dying (whea bluescreens, boot media not found, can't reinstall windows because the drive disappears whenever I try to touch the partitions) so I would like to sell the SP4 for parts, but the device is held together with glue so I can't easily remove the SSD.
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Does this work https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/microsoft-surface-data-eraser
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I'll give it a shot, thanks!
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I'd definitely start with that MS-provided surface tool Thants pointed to. For the general case (or if that tool isn't working), the best ways to do an ATA Secure Erase: 1. Look for a tool from the drive manufacturer (Samsung Magician, WD Dashboard, Crucial Storage Executive, Adata SSD Tool Box, et cetera) 2. Look in your BIOS/UEFI, they may have a function for doing an ATA Secure Erase -- however these are often very poorly documented 3. download a minimal linux that runs from a live USB, and follow these instructions #1 is by far the easiest, and failing that I'd honestly pick #3 over #2 for anyone who can figure out the basics of linux enough to target the correct drive in /dev. The mobo UEFI utilities are just so badly documented, they skeeve me out.
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Be a big cool boy and use a bootable Linux drive and use nvme-cli to initiate your secure erase
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I'm upgrading to a larger main drive on my Z370 board with 2 m.2 nvme slots on it. Can I do the cloning procedure simply using the 2 slots and some swapping around, or will I save a lot of headaches by getting an external nvme enclosure? Thanks thread. Going from a Samsung 500gb 960 EVO to a 2TB 970 EVO. With the way game installs are going, the 500 just isn't cutting it any more.
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willroc7 posted:Can I do the cloning procedure simply using the 2 slots and some swapping around, yep
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future ghost posted:I just had a samsung NVME drive die on me today. Started getting data integrity errors and throwing alerts in the event log. Luckily I had a barely used 1TB Liteon replacement disk (only 2tbw) pulled from a Dell tower I could swap the OS to while I wait for RMA. I had to use clonezilla to clone it, using the rescue flag, as macrium poo poo itself on some bad sectors. Turned out to just be a couple cellphone videos which wouldn't transfer over.
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Klyith posted:yep Thank you! And is it ok to do the cloning in windows with macrium or should I boot to a usb or something? For the main OS drive.
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willroc7 posted:Thank you! And is it ok to do the cloning in windows with macrium or should I boot to a usb or something? For the main OS drive. Macrium can do it directly, from inside windows on the source drive. Macrium 8 has a new automatic resize feature so expanding the OS partition to fit the bigger disk is easy.
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Coolio. Thanks again. For those interested, this is the deal I got on the 2TB 970 Evo for 180+tax: https://slickdeals.net/f/15620650-samsung-edu-epp-2tb-samsung-970-evo-plus-nvme-m-2-pcie-solid-state-drive-ssd-180?src=SiteSearchV2Algo1
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cage-free egghead posted:Only took an hour to prep and clone the drive and it is absolutely noticeable with even general tasks. I mean I knew I was dealing with old tech and it certainly wasn't a bottleneck or slow by any means, but holy poo poo Great for you, but I never felt any difference in real world between the 840 Evo, 850 Evo, M550, MX500 and EX920
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SN 770 is out. This is the cheaper WD_BLACK line, DRAM-less, but tweaktown was impressed by the performance https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/10040/wd-black-sn770-1tb-ssd-performance-that-matters/index.html Out of the gate pricing isn't great, though.
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One of our machines has a HighPoint RAID controller with 4x 4TB NVMe drives attached. After running for a year without issues, in the space of about a month, the controller has reported that 3 of the 4 drives failed, and the most recent failure brought down the entire array. A reboot seems to have cleared the issue with an array rebuild, but SMART isn't reporting any issues with any of the drives. Should I be more worried about the controller than the drives themselves at this point?
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HighPoint eh? Yikes is all I have to say. Maybe they are better than they were 15 years ago.
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I've got a Highpoint HBA that seems to struggle with 8x12TB and 4x4TB spinning disks, and it seems to be a heat issue with the card/controller itself. Happens a lot if the room gets too warm, doesn't seem to be affected by disk load as much. I've been meaning to replace it, but the NAS recovers fairly gracefully with a reboot, so it's been low on my priority list.
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What other options are there for hardware NVME pcie cards, raid or not, but to not require PCIe bifurcation? I was only aware of HighPoint.
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Volguus posted:What other options are there for hardware NVME pcie cards, raid or not, but to not require PCIe bifurcation? I was only aware of HighPoint. Broadcom, Microchip/Adaptec has a controller but it's really enterprise focused and mostly is in HPE servers. Alternatively you could get a PCIe switch card and fan it out to U.2 using cables and do any RAID stuff in software. https://www.serialcables.com/product-category/pcie-gen3-microsemi-host-card/ https://www.serialcables.com/product-category/gen4-microsemi-host-cards/ I'm biased towards the microsemi/microchip ones for reasons  All these are pricey enterprise ones there might be other cheapo brands like highpoint too
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tbqh at that point, just buy a used Intel DC P3xxx edit Don't buy the 4000 series from a second-hand source without guarantees, it looks like there is a higher chance that people will just be trying to make a quick buck off of dead units Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Mar 15, 2022 |
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Never buy a DC 4xxx
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WhyteRyce posted:Never buy a DC 4xxx uh oh is there something I need to know about my 4500s 
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Potato Salad posted:uh oh That whole Cliffdale line of stuff was just a buggy, late mess that seriously damaged Intel's reputation in that space after the previously well regarded Fultondale P3xxx stuff. It was always amusing seeing how many bricked ones I'd find in a discard pile, or ones from a discard pile that would brick themselves after just plugging them in. I mean, you're probably fine though if you've been running them ok for some time.
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I applied new firmware after the silliest bug poo poo came out a few years ago, yeah. Didn't know if there was something more. I guess it would only make sense to purchase from a reputable vendor that'll process returns.
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We used a lot of nvme ssds for stress testing the pcie switches and the stack of dead p4500s was huge compared to p3700s, like 10x. Thankfully the RMA was easy but they would just send us more p4500s which would then die lol. The intel 750s (RIP) were our favs though because they hotplugged like a champ. The 3700s were pretty good for that too. Everything else had pretty lovely driver support for that (kind of understandably)
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priznat posted:Broadcom, Microchip/Adaptec has a controller but it's really enterprise focused and mostly is in HPE servers. Jesus, and I thought that Highpoint was expensive at $500. Well ... it's either that or stick with an HEDT platform longer. The advantage of a card like this with multiple nvme slots is that you can just buy them (the drives) at your leisure. No need to throw in the big bucks all at once. Ok, thanks, that's quite some food for thought.
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Volguus posted:Jesus, and I thought that Highpoint was expensive at $500. Well ... it's either that or stick with an HEDT platform longer. The advantage of a card like this with multiple nvme slots is that you can just buy them (the drives) at your leisure. No need to throw in the big bucks all at once. Ok, thanks, that's quite some food for thought. Yeah unfortunately not really many options for that even in the prosumer space. Maybe in a little bit once the market gets more saturated but nvme/sas/sata trimode stuff is still pretty new.
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priznat posted:We used a lot of nvme ssds for stress testing the pcie switches and the stack of dead p4500s was huge compared to p3700s, like 10x. I will find uses for our P3600 and 3700s until the end of time
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Potato Salad posted:I will find uses for our P3600 and 3700s until the end of time They and the 750s were excellent drives! The 750s AICs were really great, and good value too! With 5 year warranties! The 900/optane stuff just didn't hit the same. It had some weird edge cases that would lock up certain tests, I can't remember the root cause but it wasn't us, it would do it on direct attaching to a server. Hotplugging again, the worst test.
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I've done many many thousands of hot plugs to Optane drive before so the explanation probably has some nuance in there Also the first gen has a hilariously outdated NVMe feature set so half of everyone's scripts probably barfed the second the tried to do anything on them
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Yeah I wasn't working on it first hand but they seemed to have some issues with the original batches. It was basically "oh we got some of these new 900p drives to replace the 750 eol'd drives!" then a week later "they keep breaking the scripts!" then a week later "We located a ton of 750s so we will be good for a while" and had a massive stockpile of EOL'd 750s, laff. Intel being one of the few vendors that did their own drivers instead of just using whitebox was nice
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protip if you're doing a format command on gen1 optane drives you're going to have to wait...awhile. probably have to increase some command timeout values if you've got anything set to 300 seconds or less
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