Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


eames posted:

Yes it should be fine, SSDs typically last far longer than the manufacturer/SMART indicators suggest.

You could in theory get a faster SSD now and use a NVMe/SATA or NVMe/PCI-e converter for it, they're only :10bux:.

Fyi, good advice here excepting for the adapter. M.2 sata to 2.5" sata adapters exist, but to my knowledge no such thing exists for m.2 nvme to 2.5" sata. The protocols are wildly different, with sata incorporating a lot of features designed for handling the asynchronous fulfilment of QD > 1 i/o requests required to efficiently diminish seek contention on platter drives. An nvme drive would need an interstitial controller to emulate that sata functionality, and I habe yet to find a manufacturer making anything like it.

I'm happy to be wrong because I'd buy ten nvme to sata adapters in a heartbeat if they existed.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

craig588 posted:

Non NVME M2 SSDs aren't worth it, they cost more and take up your (probably) only M2 slot for no extra performance. You could always keep shuffling the adapter around, but then you're still paying extra for the adapter and the premium of M2 drives.

I'd go with 850 Evos, whatever the biggest size you can budget for.

If you've got two M.2 slots, and one is SATA/NVMe-keyed, I don't see the harm in advising someone to go with a 250-500GB NVMe on the NVMe-only slot and a 1TB SATA on the dual-keyed slot. At the very least, it's more SFF-friendly and eliminates extra wires in the case on all kinds of builds.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

CLAM DOWN posted:

That lifespan concerned me a bit when I first saw it but I don't think I need to be worried.

Intel are super duper extra conservative about lifespan with respect to total writes. That 40% life remaining is 40% of an amount that's well under what the drive could statistically likely do, but is intentionally given a very low bar to make any sort of wear-related errors very unlikely.

So you should feel pretty comfortable using it all the way up to 0% life remaining. At which point an Intel SSD will lock itself into read-only mode to keep you safe from data loss, then brick itself after the next power cycle.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Klyith posted:

Intel are super duper extra conservative about lifespan with respect to total writes. That 40% life remaining is 40% of an amount that's well under what the drive could statistically likely do, but is intentionally given a very low bar to make any sort of wear-related errors very unlikely.

So you should feel pretty comfortable using it all the way up to 0% life remaining. At which point an Intel SSD will lock itself into read-only mode to keep you safe from data loss, then brick itself after the next power cycle.

Lmao gotcha, I appreciate it :)

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


When they brick themselves, is it still readable?

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


"Brick" means "I don't write anymore" in this case.

And the read is made slow enough that it's unbearably painful to just ignore and continue using as a read only drive. Intel wants you to recover your data and replace that sucker.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


I thought so. I just didn't get locking itself into read only mode and then bricking itself into read only mode.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Potato Salad posted:

"Brick" means "I don't write anymore" in this case.

And the read is made slow enough that it's unbearably painful to just ignore and continue using as a read only drive. Intel wants you to recover your data and replace that sucker.

This is very good and cool for a business drive (it forces idiot employers to replace hardware instead of trying to ~extract value~ for a decade after it becomes obsolete) but kinda annoying for a consumer drive where you don't really give a poo poo about the data integrity of your video game/porn collection.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




blowfish posted:

where you don't really give a poo poo about the data integrity of your video game/porn collection.

Uh excuse me?

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

blowfish posted:

you don't really give a poo poo about the data integrity of your video game/porn collection.

There is nothing I care about more.

Hold The Ashes
Sep 17, 2017
I just built a new PC which switched from an Intel 750 to a Samsung 960 Pro and I'm not sure if I've installed it correctly, my mobo (AsRock Z270 Extreme4) had two M.2 slots, one near CPU which was directly under my GPU (1080 Ti) so I decided to put it in the farthest away slot which is near mobo headers since it had an intake fan going across it. I updated the firmware to the latest with Magician but I don't know if I need to be downloading anything else like the NVMe driver I had to for my 750.

Putting benchmark below in case it's laughably bad and I've obviously hosed up or something

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Skandranon posted:

There is nothing I care about more.

There's undoubtedly porn collections that are better protected against data loss than critical information in a Fortune 500 company.

craig588
Nov 19, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo

Hold The Ashes posted:

I just built a new PC which switched from an Intel 750 to a Samsung 960 Pro and I'm not sure if I've installed it correctly, my mobo (AsRock Z270 Extreme4) had two M.2 slots, one near CPU which was directly under my GPU (1080 Ti) so I decided to put it in the farthest away slot which is near mobo headers since it had an intake fan going across it. I updated the firmware to the latest with Magician but I don't know if I need to be downloading anything else like the NVMe driver I had to for my 750.

Putting benchmark below in case it's laughably bad and I've obviously hosed up or something



It's working right, to check if it's being cooled well enough you need to run a longer benchmark that lasts for like 15 minutes to heat soak the drive.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Hold The Ashes posted:

I just built a new PC which switched from an Intel 750 to a Samsung 960 Pro and I'm not sure if I've installed it correctly, my mobo (AsRock Z270 Extreme4) had two M.2 slots, one near CPU which was directly under my GPU (1080 Ti) so I decided to put it in the farthest away slot which is near mobo headers since it had an intake fan going across it. I updated the firmware to the latest with Magician but I don't know if I need to be downloading anything else like the NVMe driver I had to for my 750.

Putting benchmark below in case it's laughably bad and I've obviously hosed up or something



Wait, what's wrong with it?

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT

Hold The Ashes posted:

Putting benchmark below in case it's laughably bad and I've obviously hosed up or something

That's a better than average benchmark for a 960 pro, I'm not sure what you were expecting here.

Hold The Ashes
Sep 17, 2017

Potato Salad posted:

Wait, what's wrong with it?

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

That's a better than average benchmark for a 960 pro, I'm not sure what you were expecting here.

I think I worded it weirdly or you guys misunderstood when Craig588 didn't, I was asking if that benchmark was good because I wasn't sure I'd installed it correctly since my mobo has two M.2 slots and I hadn't installed Samsung's NVMe driver since I hadn't found it until after I posted.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

Hold The Ashes posted:

I just built a new PC which switched from an Intel 750 to a Samsung 960 Pro and I'm not sure if I've installed it correctly, my mobo (AsRock Z270 Extreme4) had two M.2 slots, one near CPU which was directly under my GPU (1080 Ti) so I decided to put it in the farthest away slot which is near mobo headers since it had an intake fan going across it. I updated the firmware to the latest with Magician but I don't know if I need to be downloading anything else like the NVMe driver I had to for my 750.

Putting benchmark below in case it's laughably bad and I've obviously hosed up or something



Why did you do that? Odd. I'll give you a cookie if you can notice any difference.

Hold The Ashes
Sep 17, 2017
Am I taking crazy pills or did I word it in an extremely bad way that's making you guys think I'm saying something that I'm not? :psyduck:

I built a new computer, my previous one had an Intel 750 PCIE, in new one I got a 960 Pro m.2. My mobo manual didn't say anything about there being a difference between which m.2 slot I chose to use so I put it in the one which had the most direct airflow over it. I was asking if I'd hosed up or if I'd missed installing some software that a 960 needed which an Intel 750 didn't or vice versa (which I did, I thought you only needed to install an NVMe driver for Intel 750, I didn't realize there was one for Samsung drives too. So my benchmark was without an NVMe driver installed, unless Windows update had installed one for me before I downloaded from Samsung website.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
The OS nvme driver is usually totally fine as long as it is a newer os like windows 10 or server 2016.

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?
I think they thought you were all, "Did I do something wrong? :smugbert:" when you were really trying to say, "Did I do something wrong? :shobon:"

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



That's better than mine does :\

Maybe I should install Samsung's software but having used one of their phones a few times I'm reluctant

Yes I'm sure they're different divisions I'm making a joke about how bad their phone software is

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


Just install the driver if anything.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


If you're running Windows Update on a 7, 8, 8.1, or 10 machine, your computer has what it needs.

Rodenthar Drothman
May 14, 2013

I think I will continue
watching this twilight world
as long as time flows.
E: second guessing my posting location.
I'll take it over to haus of tech support.
Feel free to ignore me.

I'm having a bit of trouble with my samsung 850 evo. If i should take my question elsewhere, let me know!

Long story short: i replaced most of the components in my computer, saving my SSD boot drive and 3tb HDD. Parts listed below, you can click if you wanna read my longpost about it all.




So, everything worked fine until my 7 year old computer (i think it was the mobo that did it, it would crash at the bios screen) died.
Now that i have things up and running, my computer hits POST and has my 2 year old EVO selected as the boot drive, but then it goes to black screen and says i need to restart and select an actual boot drive.

I have an old, old WD hdd boot drive with a busted win7 boot, i plugged that one in and it boots as expected (expected: blue screen that says windows is busted).

Is my 850 evo also coincidentally busted?
Does it do this when changing hardware?
Do i need to actually buy an optical drive and reinstall? I'd like to not have to do that.

Rodenthar Drothman fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Sep 24, 2017

LRADIKAL
Jun 10, 2001

Fun Shoe
It's not busted. Reinstall Windows.

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Jago posted:

It's not busted. Reinstall Windows.
This, changing the chipset/cpu/motherboard and expecting a windows installation from a previous PC to work is a hard gamble which will pay off in the form of phantom code bugs. Sometimes you get lucky and have no problems at all, but the only cases of that I've heard that were any successful are people switching between mainstream Intel platforms from Sandy Bridge onwards.

You can use a USB drive to reinstall Windows 10.

Anime Schoolgirl fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Sep 24, 2017

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
bullshit, you can swap mobos as long as the hard drive driver is compatible no issues, no (LOL) phantom code bugs. WTF does that mean anyways dude

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

redeyes posted:

bullshit, you can swap mobos as long as the hard drive driver is compatible no issues, no (LOL) phantom code bugs. WTF does that mean anyways dude
I tried this with an a64 x2 to Core 2 Duo (Windows 7) and I had various gnarly crashes with no seemingly visible cause that went away with a clean reinstall and I've seen people experience similar things through a straight drive transplant from one platform to the next. I don't doubt there are clean installations but I haven't seen a case of that where that wasn't someone moving from a 2500K to 6600K or similar.

Rodenthar Drothman
May 14, 2013

I think I will continue
watching this twilight world
as long as time flows.

Jago posted:

It's not busted. Reinstall Windows.

Blah. I was taking that hard gamble that it'd just work. We'll see if windows will give me a copy of 10 with my old windows 7 activation. It ... should.

Ty all.

WhyteRyce
Dec 30, 2001

I haven't reinstalled Windows on a mobo upgrade since at least Windows 7 was around. That includes going from an AMD board to an Intel one

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


If you don't want to play the game of, "Find and replace every Intel driver," a reinstall would save you time.

WhyteRyce posted:

I haven't reinstalled Windows on a mobo upgrade since at least Windows 7 was around. That includes going from an AMD board to an Intel one

This direction is much easier than intel to amd.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


My friends Ryzen booted on his 850 evo with an install of 10 on it, which was using z77.

Rodenthar Drothman
May 14, 2013

I think I will continue
watching this twilight world
as long as time flows.
I upgraded from 2010 tech, so yeah. Reinstalled (getting the usb was an endeavor because they require you to have a windows operating system to ... download the windows operating system (not for boot camp). If i had a working copy of windows i wouldn't need to download windows, microsoft!) and it works. Ty for allaying my fears that my boot drive was dead, thread.

Ssds are cool. Keep on chugging ssd thread.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
To change from AMD to Intel, change the hard drive controller to Standard ACHI SATA. Same with from Intel to AMD. From AMD to Intel you might need to also remove the AMD chipset drivers after boot. Older AMD systems also have some non-upnp devices located under Device Manager -> View menu -> show hidden devices and then look under non-upnp and remove any AMD specific drivers, mostly anything PCI Express and power related.

SamDabbers
May 26, 2003



Windows will boot as long as it has a driver for the storage controller, and other device drivers mostly don't matter for the purposes of booting. SATA in AHCI mode is well supported in Vista and later, and what is recommended for use with any modern SATA SSD. Don't use RAID or IDE mode, and do remember to download NIC drivers for the new machine before transplanting the drive.

DoctorOfLawls
Mar 2, 2001

SA's Brazilian Diplomat
I have a 512gb Samsung 850 pro SSD that might be dead. The SSD failed to boot after several tries, and it is no longer recognized by any computer, either via SATA or USB enclosure. The SSD is not recognized in the BIOS, nor by Windows or other computers.

I tried different SATA cables on the same computer, different power cables, and even using USB enclosures to get the SSD recognized by different computers - not working in any scenario. Should I assume it is dead and have Samsung honor the 10 year warranty?

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

DoctorOfLawls posted:

Should I assume it is dead and have Samsung honor the 10 year warranty?
Yes.

Kachunkachunk
Jun 6, 2011
Windows 8 was when Windows much more reliably reconfigured itself on bootup, following significant hardware changes. I'm not at all surprised that Windows 7 didn't survive a motherboard upgrade. I've done it before with 7, but it's still a susceptible OS.

You mostly need to ensure that the installation has a means of reading from disk (i.e. ensure that the controller driver is present). You can preemptively install/place this before swapping, too.

I'm not intimately familiar with what else changed with 8 and later, but I imagine it generally involves having a fairly hardware-agnostic windows image on-disk (hence the PC rollback/refresh ability you now have in 8 and 10). Also if you BSOD from changing AHCI and SATA modes, you can boot up in safe mode, then just reboot again. It reconfigures on the subsequent startup for whatever the currently-configured mode is.

Kachunkachunk fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Sep 28, 2017

SlayVus
Jul 10, 2009
Grimey Drawer
Wrong thread

SlayVus fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Sep 29, 2017

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Are 1TB ssd's likely to drop in price any time soon or ever?

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply