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SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017


Just a quick sanity check, i want to add some ssd flash cache to my QNAP nas. Is a couple of 250gb mx500(2,5" SATA) a good pick? Is there a better model to watch for?

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BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.

SlowBloke posted:

Just a quick sanity check, i want to add some ssd flash cache to my QNAP nas. Is a couple of 250gb mx500(2,5" SATA) a good pick? Is there a better model to watch for?

The MX500 is probably the second-best affordable SSD out there, and it also has power outage protection, if your NAS isn't on a backup battery.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017


BIG HEADLINE posted:

The MX500 is probably the second-best affordable SSD out there, and it also has power outage protection, if your NAS isn't on a backup battery.

TY, i'll add them to the shopping list

franchise1
Jun 5, 2006


I've got to update a couple of machines at work to Windows 10 from 7 and it looks like I'm wiping everything. I've floated the idea of getting SSDs in them. What are peoples thoughts on getting cheap WD Green (WDS120G2G0A) drives? The machines don't really do anything intensive.

It seems to be really cheap but I'm struggling to find any reviews for them. Are they going to die in a years time and cause me lots of grief?

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.

franchise1 posted:

I've got to update a couple of machines at work to Windows 10 from 7 and it looks like I'm wiping everything. I've floated the idea of getting SSDs in them. What are peoples thoughts on getting cheap WD Green (WDS120G2G0A) drives? The machines don't really do anything intensive.

It seems to be really cheap but I'm struggling to find any reviews for them. Are they going to die in a years time and cause me lots of grief?

Will the extra $20 per drive be significant not to use 250GB MX500s? The *listed* IOPS ratings on the Greens look really lovely (37k/68k r/w) as opposed to the MX500's listed specs (95k/90k r/w). The Greens also only have a three year warranty and only have a 40TBW rating on the 120GB SKU. The MX500 carries a five year warranty and has a 100TBW rating on the 250GB SKU.

franchise1
Jun 5, 2006


BIG HEADLINE posted:

Will the extra $20 per drive be significant not to use 250GB MX500s? The *listed* IOPS ratings on the Greens look really lovely (37k/68k r/w) as opposed to the MX500's listed specs (95k/90k r/w). The Greens also only have a three year warranty and only have a 40TBW rating on the 120GB SKU. The MX500 carries a five year warranty and has a 100TBW rating on the 250GB SKU.

It's half the price, and the people that I'm doing it for are very tight. I suspect they are going to stick with the existing drives but thought I could sell a 25 SSD to them.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007

"it's a bot! it's a bot!!", i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into a corn cob


franchise1 posted:

It's half the price, and the people that I'm doing it for are very tight. I suspect they are going to stick with the existing drives but thought I could sell a 25 SSD to them.

Just do it then. Any SSD will be better than an HDD boot drive. Don't even give them the option, say the "hard drive crashed" and they need to upgrade to SSDs.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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franchise1 posted:

I suspect they are going to stick with the existing drives but thought I could sell a 25 SSD to them.

sell them on SSDs increasing the usable lifetime of the computers


Anyways those WD Greens are fine for reliability. They're still using last-gen 15mn flash, not the 3d stuff -- which is why their write endurance is so puny. But for work desktops write endurance is not a problem. And the rest of their cheapness is explained by a low-end controller and no dram cache. (Though despite being a cheap controller, it's optimized for workloads that are mostly reads and not bad in that department.)

There's a reason that WD Greens are only available in 120gb and 240gb sizes: if they did 500 or 1tb size versions at the same price they'd risk cannibalizing the more expensive drives.

franchise1
Jun 5, 2006


Cheers guys. Hopefully will do one and see what they think.

makere
Jan 13, 2012


This is drifting slightly off topic, but has anyone configured windows server 2016 storage spaces with SSD caching? How is the real world performance?

Streak
May 16, 2004


I'm building a PC and the SSD is the absolute last piece of gear I need to throw this all together. I intend to use this PC for gaming, some streaming and video editing.

The 960 evo is in stock locally, but not the 970 evo.

Looking at the 500GB models.

I see the 970 is slightly faster but is the extra cost and wait time really justified by this? I'm googling a lot and everyone seems to have conflicting answers from "you won't really notice the speed difference" to "the 960 is going to break down within 6 months of you buying it and you'll be sorry you didn't just take the hit".

Some insights would be much appreciated.

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

~perfect~
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Streak posted:

I intend to use this PC for gaming, some streaming and video editing.
unless you're going to edit 8k video, just get an mx500

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?

You won't notice the difference, probably

Streak
May 16, 2004


Anime Schoolgirl posted:

unless you're going to edit 8k video, just get an mx500

Am I mistaken or is the 960 not significantly faster than the mx500?

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

This post is good to go


Anime Schoolgirl posted:

unless you're going to edit 8k video, just get an mx500

You need a petabyte for 8k!

https://blog.seagate.com/business/l...etabyte-system/

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

~perfect~
battlebrother





Streak posted:

Am I mistaken or is the 960 not significantly faster than the mx500?
it is significantly faster....sequentially. which means if you're splicing 8k frames it's a godsend. it's superfluous for anything less

4k QD1-4 IOPs, which are "whim of user" workloads common to the end user, are not much faster for the cost difference.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007

"it's a bot! it's a bot!!", i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into a corn cob


Streak posted:

I'm building a PC and the SSD is the absolute last piece of gear I need to throw this all together. I intend to use this PC for gaming, some streaming and video editing.

The 960 evo is in stock locally, but not the 970 evo.

Looking at the 500GB models.

I see the 970 is slightly faster but is the extra cost and wait time really justified by this? I'm googling a lot and everyone seems to have conflicting answers from "you won't really notice the speed difference" to "the 960 is going to break down within 6 months of you buying it and you'll be sorry you didn't just take the hit".

Some insights would be much appreciated.

Unless you were to go with the cheapest, crappiest Chinese SSD over literally any other decent one, you're not going to notice the difference. Once you put the SSD in your system and close it up you'll forget about it. Just go with the best deal on a decent drive and be done with it. Hell, Microcenter's 480 GB TLC (which does have DRAM!) is $75 at the moment, an all-time low.

Streak
May 16, 2004


Atomizer posted:

Unless you were to go with the cheapest, crappiest Chinese SSD over literally any other decent one, you're not going to notice the difference. Once you put the SSD in your system and close it up you'll forget about it. Just go with the best deal on a decent drive and be done with it. Hell, Microcenter's 480 GB TLC (which does have DRAM!) is $75 at the moment, an all-time low.


I forgot to mention I'm in Canada, so while I really appreciate you going out of your way to find me that sweet deal unfortunately I won't be able to take advantage of it.

Are there any brands/models that are to be avoided? I do have concerns about drive failures and longevity down the road. I had one SSD die on me a few years back and it sucked.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Streak posted:

Am I mistaken or is the 960 not significantly faster than the mx500?

yes, if you do tasks that require 10k iops or sustained reads and writes that would saturate the sata bus. if you don't, you're paying a premium to have that IO capacity sit idle.

OTOH with a sata drive you can probably get 1TB for roughly the same price as the 960. on newegg it's $20 difference between them. if your local prices are similar, a higher-capacity SSD is generally a better purchase than NVMe drive for anyone with a budget.




to answer your original question, the differences between the 960 evo and the 970 evo are extremely minimal.

Streak posted:

Are there any brands/models that are to be avoided? I do have concerns about drive failures and longevity down the road. I had one SSD die on me a few years back and it sucked.

Buy from this list if you put a premium on reliability: Samsung, WD / Sandisk, Crucial, Mushkin


2nd edit: it's not that everyone else is unreliable or to be avoided per se, but they're just rarely discounted enough to be worth it.

Klyith fucked around with this message at Jun 22, 2018 around 18:32

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007

"it's a bot! it's a bot!!", i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into a corn cob


Streak posted:

I forgot to mention I'm in Canada, so while I really appreciate you going out of your way to find me that sweet deal unfortunately I won't be able to take advantage of it.

Are there any brands/models that are to be avoided? I do have concerns about drive failures and longevity down the road. I had one SSD die on me a few years back and it sucked.

Ah, drat.

Anyways, for your main SSD, you'd generally want to get a better drive than you'd have as a secondary, i.e., get one with DRAM (generally if you do a little research and can't find whether or not a model has DRAM, that means it probably doesn't, but typically all the popular models you've heard of do have it, like the Samsungs,) MLC and/or 3D NAND, etc. Klyith's recommendations are spot on, but avoid the very low end especially the WD Greens.

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Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Also, I just thought of this: 256GB is IMO the wrong size for the PC enthusiast.

I first got an SSD in like 2011, a 90GB drive when they were just getting down towards the $1/GB mark. Used that for more than 5 years continuously* and was very happy with it. Thing had just enough room for OS, applications, page file, etc. The basics. Everything else stayed on HDDs and it was all just peachy.

Then I bought a 256GB drive, and it lasted less than a year before I moved up a 500GB one. The 256 was big enough to put stuff on, and that paradoxically made it feel smaller than the 90. It wasn't enough space to not need to care about space if you get what I mean. 500 isn't so huge that I'll never delete anything again, but it'll be a clean-up once or twice a year.


*which is surprising since it was an OCZ. still works in fact, I have it in a usb3 caddy for ultra-fast sneakernet

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