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redeyes posted:Whether or not NVMe is faster for loading x game is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. SATA is old loving tech. NVMe is new tech designed for solid state media. Get on board goons. There are many technical reasons it is a better technology but as with everything, if you don't have bleeding edge bux, feel free to buy older stuff. The idea that everyone who can afford it should buy NVMe because it's "new tech" is dumb. You buy NVMe because you need/want the performance and are ready to pay for it, whether the tech is new or old is what's irrelevant. Unless someone specifically profits from NVMe speeds or they have a virtually unlimited budget, the money is better spent on larger slower SSDs or a better video card.
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redeyes posted:Whether or not NVMe is faster for loading x game is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. SATA is old loving tech. NVMe is new tech designed for solid state media. Get on board goons. There are many technical reasons it is a better technology but as with everything, if you don't have bleeding edge bux, feel free to buy older stuff. You say this, but usage case is also important. I built my wife a fantastic NVMe computer, but was somewhat surprised that while her load times were FANTASTICALLY better than her spin disks were, they were not "instant". Load screens still popped up, and while they filled quickly, it wasn't what I was quite expecting. So when I built my computer just now, I went with a SATA III SSD. It's still "goddamn fast" compared to my old spin disks, and I can't see that it's any different from what my wife has. The TL;DR here is that I probably overspent for her machine. No big deal. BUT, the point here is that NVMe may be new tech, but at 2x the $/GB, NVMe is still somewhat niche. If the price was closer, then maybe I'd agree with your point; however, we're not there yet. That being said, SATA is going to be around for some time yet. I'm not sure that I'd relegate it to "old tech" status just yet.
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There's an apocryphal story I remember reading when the first Intel PCIe/U.2 drives came out, where some guy said he got contacted by SOE support because his client was registering a suspiciously high speed of 'generation,' meaning his client was rezzing the world much more quickly than others, and they thought he might've found some exploit. Probably bullshit, but hey.
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Potato Salad posted:I adamantly theorize that one of the factors permitting HEDT owners to hold on to 2500k and even Core systems for so long was the massive usability boost provided by the commoditization of SSDs. This is no joke. I've refurbished Core2Duo machines and blown the minds of end-users with the results when all I did was stick in 8GB of RAM and an SSD. Throw in even the cheapest dedicated GPU and the system is strong enough to handle today's common computing tasks without breaking a sweat.
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ProjektorBoy posted:This is no joke. I've refurbished Core2Duo machines and blown the minds of end-users with the results when all I did was stick in 8GB of RAM and an SSD. Throw in even the cheapest dedicated GPU and the system is strong enough to handle today's common computing tasks without breaking a sweat. Makes you wonder why no one's marketed a 'revolutionary upgrade program' for 'PCs older than seven years' and marketed it squarely at Fox News and OAN viewers (for the old age skew, not ideological). "Send away your computer and for the low, low price of $500 you can turn your old clunker of a computer into a new speed demon!" ...when all they're doing is putting Windows on a 250GB bulk-grade SSD and pocketing the rest of the cash.
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:Is there any speed advantage for SSD optimised filesystems? If you're running Linux, sure. Otherwise, nope.
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ProjektorBoy posted:This is no joke. I've refurbished Core2Duo machines and blown the minds of end-users with the results when all I did was stick in 8GB of RAM and an SSD. Throw in even the cheapest dedicated GPU and the system is strong enough to handle today's common computing tasks without breaking a sweat. I can definitely attest to this. They think you're magic or something. However there is an exception of some sort is cheap poo poo laptops with an SSD. Either the SSD was below poo poo tier or the rest of it is too much of a shambles to take advantage of it. My last boss asked me for a recommendation, ignored it to buy this nasty AMD thing for $400-500 US. It was so poo poo it couldn't even update after 8 hours where even the poo poo office ones with an HDD could do in 2 at most. What I recommended him was ~$800 meeting every requirement with upgrades on sale. Hell, the cheapest option was just to put a SSD in his old one. I giggle at the thought of him trying to use that thing. Edge case strikes again?
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orcane posted:The idea that everyone who can afford it should buy NVMe because it's "new tech" is dumb. You buy NVMe because you need/want the performance and are ready to pay for it, whether the tech is new or old is what's irrelevant. Unless someone specifically profits from NVMe speeds or they have a virtually unlimited budget, the money is better spent on larger slower SSDs or a better video card. Exactly. Optane is even newer tech but it would be a rare use case that would benefit more from a 118GB Optane than a similarly priced 500GB 960 evo.
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Potato Salad posted:^ I think there’s a lot of truth to that. I recently had to yank out an ancient laptop out of my closet for some troubleshooting work I was doing(needed a hardware serial port in my driveway) - this is a Centrino 1.7ghz single-core Dell business laptop, mind you, it’s -really- old. But it booted up fast, I updated Firefox, downloaded what I needed, fixed the vehicle, and was loving around on the forums when I realized ‘holy poo poo, this thing is like 14 years old’. The only way it was remotely usable is that, the last time I needed it, I stuck an 840evo in a mSATA-to-PATA adaptor, cloned the OG hard drive and threw it in. That $90 investment made all the difference in the world. Of course, it’s running XP, so it’s a security nightmare and I only use it for this one thing, but I was still shocked how well it performed considering it’s advanced age.
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Potato Salad posted:^ 2500K is not HEDT but otherwise OK, yes, my Nehalem laptop is still fine except for the power-efficiency bit, largely because I swapped in an SSD in like 2012 or something. HEDT is like a hexacore Westmere-EP or a hexacore Sandy Bridge-E or an octocore Ivy-E and yes, there is pretty much no reason to abandon those systems unless you know that you need to.
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redeyes posted:Whether or not NVMe is faster for loading x game is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. SATA is old loving tech. NVMe is new tech designed for solid state media. Get on board goons. There are many technical reasons it is a better technology but as with everything, if you don't have bleeding edge bux, feel free to buy older stuff. lol looks like someone bought into the NVMe hype and got burnt despite all the easily available evidence to the contrary out there
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I like my nvme drive. I have another larger slower one for files, but if I'm working on a project with a decent amount of files / size / or video editing, it flies and was what. £150
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I was going to upgrade the 2TB 850 EVO that I got when it was on 'special' for 'only 600 something' to 960 NVMe when I migrated off a 3770k to 8770k. But lol @ paying 1.2k or almost double the price of the SATA drive I already have with little real world usage gain in my use cases. Also of course I jumped onto the 2TB micron SSD deal and and now it's being used as an awesome 300~400MB/s external USB 3.1 disk 
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I got a 500 GB NVMe drive for a decent price last year when I was building my last computer but after trying out regular SSD in my laptop later I'd definitely buy a bigger, regular SATA SSD if I was in the same situation. I don't do any work that requires such high speeds so I mean it's nice that files are copied so fast but that's basically the only time I notice and not even every time.
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So yeah, Micron must really want to sweep these out the door: https://www.techbargains.com/deal/448291/micron-solid-state-drive It's Rakuten, so use PayPal. I wouldn't give that company a valid credit card if they offered 99% off.
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That price is so low.. I bet those things brick themselves with the quickness. According to micron's page they are rated for like 400TB written. Incredibly low for that much NAND.
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Strangely that 2TB 850 EVO is rated for 300TB written while the 860 EVO has 1200TBW. Also micron is building few fabs too, so maybe the price is really coming down.
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coke posted:Strangely that 2TB 850 EVO is rated for 300TB written while the 860 EVO has 1200TBW. I guess I haven't been paying attention. I'm over here remembering the Tech report SSD torture test.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:So yeah, Micron must really want to sweep these out the door: https://www.techbargains.com/deal/448291/micron-solid-state-drive Also, these have the same PCB as the MX300, so this is one way of clearing up stock of the 2TB SKUs of that particular product since retailers are loath to price the MX300 2TB downwards when the MSRP of the MX500 is $60 lower
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BIG HEADLINE posted:So yeah, Micron must really want to sweep these out the door: https://www.techbargains.com/deal/448291/micron-solid-state-drive I don't seem to see many reviews on that thing.
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a little bit more $$ but here: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...075S3035&cm_sp=
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Seamonster posted:a little bit more $$ but here: outta stock
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I don’t know what happened to Intel enterprise drives but we are having the worst luck with the P4500 (2.5” 1TB) drives. They don’t work for hotplug like the P3700s did (constant bluescreens) and are way less reliable, with controller failures left and right. Weird! Got a stack of them on my desk to RMA. Also it seems like the 750s are finally EOL’d, is the only replacement the 900p in 2.5”? Bah!!
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Ouch. Controller failures really shouldn't be happening at this late stage in SSD dev. What a crock.
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I know! The 3700s were rock solid, hopefully it’s just a bad batch but we don’t have confidence in them anymore so are looking to swap to something similar. Still not many options at that price range for 2.5” drives it seems, HGST is $$$, samsung ones are hard to get and most everything else is m.2/aic.
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priznat posted:I know! The 3700s were rock solid, hopefully it’s just a bad batch but we don’t have confidence in them anymore so are looking to swap to something similar. Still not many options at that price range for 2.5” drives it seems, HGST is $$$, samsung ones are hard to get and most everything else is m.2/aic. Honestly it does surprise me that is happening. Maybe there is some reason other than just Intel makes poo poo controllers (which they have some record of doing). A small funny story is I was in a staging lab, we had a Intel 750 1.2TB in a staging server with the case off. loving around after hours as nerds do sometimes.. with beer. Dude knocks a beer off a desk/table about 10 feet away from the server. A small string of beer shoots across the room and lands square between the heatsink and the NAND on the 750... instant bluescreen death. That poor 750 died instantly and never came back to life. ;_; Intel replaced it within 4 days from what I remember.
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You know the story is legit because of the mixture of alcohol and configuration management
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“Million to one shot, doc!” I’m hoping the 900Ps work out for us because the endurance on those is great (5PBw??). It’ll take us a while to kill those puppies! 4800X is even better but way more up front cost.
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Samsung just released the 970 EVO and 970 PRO https://www.anandtech.com/show/12674/samsung-announces-970-pro-and-970-evo-nvme-ssds https://www.anandtech.com/show/12670/the-samsung-970-evo-ssd-review https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Storage/Samsung-970-PRO-512GB-and-970-EVO-250GB-500GB-1TB-NVMe-SSD-Review repiv fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Apr 24, 2018 |
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My TLDR compared to the 960: 50% higher write endurance, 5 instead of 3 year warranty and some performance improvements that I would never notice.
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repiv posted:Samsung just released the 970 EVO and 970 PRO I'm sure those performance benches only apply when the drives are at less than 75% capacity.
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eames posted:My TLDR compared to the 960: 50% higher write endurance, 5 instead of 3 year warranty and some performance improvements that I would never notice. But it's new tech so you should get them anyway
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Aren't there some minor performance regressions for the 256GB 970 Evo, Vs the 960?
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Hi thread, I have a stupid newbie question. I need a new/bigger SSD. I know only enough about compooters to be dangerous. I have been holding off on upgrading because I am very loathe to invest a day reinstalling everything. Is it feasible to copy over the entire image of my current SSD onto a new one such that (a) it isn’t sufficiently complicated that I’ll likely gently caress it up and (b) will require less of my active attention than reinstalling Windows, all its updates and all my programs?
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I’m already using an HDD for storage and there’s only room in the case for two drives. Besides that, no. The current SSD is also ~5 years old (man, have prices come down since then) though so probably getting on about time to replace.
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Eric the Mauve posted:Hi thread, I have a stupid newbie question. Absolutely, it's easy to do. Just download Macrium Reflect, a popular imaging tool. The free version will suffice. https://blog.macrium.com/techie-tuesday-cloning-a-disk-764bed0ad6e1
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kick (more of) your spinning iron to the curb: https://slickdeals.net/f/11517863-sandisk-1tb-ultra-ii-sata-iii-2-5-internal-ssd-204-99-ac-shipped
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