SSD Thread: (its good, ignore the anime)

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mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Hmm so ADATA are poo poo tier? I have RAM and a few SD cards, which were all good value and caused no problems.

I'm looking for something to stick in an older laptop (T520) as cheaply as possible as it'll be only a secondary device and I'll probably flip it before the SSD warranty runs out. 128GB is about the minimum and my main options seem to be ADATA ( :barf:

?), Transcend, and a bit more expensive AMD (whoa), Kingston and WD Green. Anything particular I should prefer? Absolute speed isn't critical and as long as it doesn't blow up immediately I don't really care if it shits itself after only 8 years instead of 20 or whatever.

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mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Is Kingston still on the poo poo list? I want something to replace an older and smaller Samsung in my Sandy Bridge machine so top performance isn't critical though it does seem to do pretty well among cheapr SSDs. Warranty isn't a problem either as I can RMA it at the local store, the only conern really is that it doesn't poo poo itself and corrupt my data prematurely compared to others.

# ¿ Apr 4, 2018 08:49

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

poo poo forgot to post the most important part which is that the model in question is A400 240GB :v:

The MX500 isn't too bad but like 15% more expensive per GB. Evo 850 is 35% more. Not like I couldn't afford either of those but as mentioned it would go into an old system which will soon become the htpc or something so eh

# ¿ Apr 4, 2018 10:53

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

So my chinisium tablet/laptop has been acting a bit wonky recently, taking a long time to wake from sleep or login or launch apps. For a bit I dismissed it as it could've been low on RAM or installing updates or something, but it got reeeally bad to the point that it now won't actually boot in reasonable time at all. I got it started with a live linux usb without issues though, and the SSD is still there has all my crap. It does seem to be very slow to open anything however. I'll try to copy anything important of course.

So far I tried some smartctl tests which I don't really understand (except Hardware_ECC_Recovered seems bad, maybe? I don't know if that's a high number), anything else I could check?

code:

oot@kali:~# smartctl -t short -a /dev/sda3
smartctl 6.6 2017-11-05 r4594 [i686-linux-5.2.0-kali2-686-pae] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-17, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, [url]www.smartmontools.org[/url]

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     FORESEE 128GB SSD
Serial Number:    G17411R005914
LU WWN Device Id: 0 000000 000000000
Firmware Version: O1229B
User Capacity:    128,035,676,160 bytes [128 GB]
Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
Rotation Rate:    Solid State Device
Form Factor:      M.2
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   ACS-2 (minor revision not indicated)
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Fri Nov 22 11:30:33 2019 UTC
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x00)	Offline data collection activity
					was never started.
					Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0)	The previous self-test routine completed
					without error or no self-test has ever 
					been run.
Total time to complete Offline 
data collection: 		(    0) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: 			 (0x11) SMART execute Offline immediate.
					No Auto Offline data collection support.
					Suspend Offline collection upon new
					command.
					No Offline surface scan supported.
					Self-test supported.
					No Conveyance Self-test supported.
					No Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0002)	Does not save SMART data before
					entering power-saving mode.
					Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01)	Error logging supported.
					General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine 
recommended polling time: 	 (   2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: 	 (  10) minutes.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 1
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x0000   100   100   050    Old_age   Offline      -       0
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0002   100   100   050    Old_age   Always       -       57
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0000   100   100   050    Old_age   Offline      -       2681
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0000   100   100   050    Old_age   Offline      -       2914
160 Unknown_Attribute       0x0000   100   100   050    Old_age   Offline      -       154
161 Unknown_Attribute       0x0000   100   100   050    Old_age   Offline      -       108
162 Unknown_Attribute       0x0000   100   100   050    Old_age   Offline      -       1
163 Unknown_Attribute       0x0000   100   100   050    Old_age   Offline      -       25
164 Unknown_Attribute       0x0000   100   100   050    Old_age   Offline      -       24252382
165 Unknown_Attribute       0x0000   100   100   050    Old_age   Offline      -       11756
166 Unknown_Attribute       0x0000   100   100   050    Old_age   Offline      -       11669
167 Unknown_Attribute       0x0000   100   100   050    Old_age   Offline      -       11653
168 Unknown_Attribute       0x0000   100   100   050    Old_age   Offline      -       3000
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0000   100   100   050    Old_age   Offline      -       68
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0000   100   100   050    Old_age   Offline      -       44
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  0x0000   100   100   050    Old_age   Offline      -       18220526
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0000   100   100   050    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x0000   100   100   050    Old_age   Offline      -       1
241 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0000   100   100   050    Old_age   Offline      -       224116
242 Total_LBAs_Read         0x0000   100   100   050    Old_age   Offline      -       262234
245 Unknown_Attribute       0x0000   100   100   050    Old_age   Offline      -       29575434

Warning! SMART ATA Error Log Structure error: invalid SMART checksum.
SMART Error Log Version: 1
Warning: ATA error count 0 inconsistent with error log pointer 1

ATA Error Count: 0
	CR = Command Register [HEX]
	FR = Features Register [HEX]
	SC = Sector Count Register [HEX]
	SN = Sector Number Register [HEX]
	CL = Cylinder Low Register [HEX]
	CH = Cylinder High Register [HEX]
	DH = Device/Head Register [HEX]
	DC = Device Command Register [HEX]
	ER = Error register [HEX]
	ST = Status register [HEX]
Powered_Up_Time is measured from power on, and printed as
DDd+hh:mm:SS.sss where DD=days, hh=hours, mm=minutes,
SS=sec, and sss=millisec. It "wraps" after 49.710 days.

Error 0 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 21930 hours (913 days + 18 hours)
  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was in an unknown state.

  After command completion occurred, registers were:
  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
  -- -- -- -- -- -- --
  01 00 ff 83 41 00 99

  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
  00 00 00 00 00 00 96 10      01:26:17.914  NOP [Abort queued commands]
  00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00      00:00:00.016  NOP [Abort queued commands]
  00 00 91 03 6f 3a 08 01      00:00:00.000  NOP [Abort queued commands]
  00 05 01 00 01 00 00 b4      18:38:29.525  NOP [Reserved subcommand] [OBS-ACS-2]
  00 00 38 00 00 00 99 00  48d+03:58:56.943  NOP [Abort queued commands]

Error -4 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 0 hours (0 days + 0 hours)
  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.

  After command completion occurred, registers were:
  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
  -- -- -- -- -- -- --
  00 00 00 00 00 00 00

  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
  b0 d1 01 01 4f c2 00 08      00:00:00.000  SMART READ ATTRIBUTE THRESHOLDS [OBS-4]
  b0 d5 01 01 4f c2 00 08      00:00:00.000  SMART READ LOG
  60 08 08 d8 b4 63 40 08      00:00:00.000  READ FPDMA QUEUED
  b0 d5 01 00 4f c2 00 08      00:00:00.000  SMART READ LOG
  b0 da 00 00 4f c2 00 08      00:00:00.000  SMART RETURN STATUS

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
No self-tests have been logged.  [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]

Selective Self-tests/Logging not supported

=== START OF OFFLINE IMMEDIATE AND SELF-TEST SECTION ===
Sending command: "Execute SMART Short self-test routine immediately in off-line mode".
Drive command "Execute SMART Short self-test routine immediately in off-line mode" successful.
Testing has begun.
Please wait 2 minutes for test to complete.
Test will complete after Fri Nov 22 11:32:37 2019
...
=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
Warning! SMART Self-Test Log Structure error: invalid SMART checksum.
SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Short offline       Completed without error       00%       121         -

E: It's really slow as gently caress :negative:

code:

root@kali:~# hdparm -t /dev/sda3

/dev/sda3:
 Timing buffered disk reads: 100 MB in  3.03 seconds =  32.96 MB/sec
root@kali:~# hdparm -T /dev/sda3

/dev/sda3:
 Timing cached reads:   12198 MB in  1.99 seconds = 6134.66 MB/sec

root@kali:/# time dd if=/media/root/Windows/BigassFile.rar of=/dev/null bs=8k
229511+1 records in
229511+1 records out
1880159746 bytes (1.9 GB, 1.8 GiB) copied, 1144.29 s, 1.6 MB/s

real	19m4.385s
user	0m0.858s
sys	0m3.141s

FWIW, it seems that I managed to unfuck it somehow. After a backup, I deleted some large photo and video files, ran chkdsk whick fixed a few records and if seems to work fine again now. :iiam:

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Nov 25, 2019

# ¿ Nov 22, 2019 12:14

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Does anyone have a tip for a cheapish m.2 2242 ssd that isn't complete garbage?

The SSD in my Chinese tablet is getting kind of wonky again and will randomly get lovely read performance and occasionally fail reads completely. It's replaceable, but the problem is that it's the smaller 2242 variety and most stores here don't seem to have any of those. I've bought a 2.5" Alixpress SSD before and it woks as advertised, but overall it turned out to be pretty bad value - barely cheaper than a normal brand for mediocre performance and questionable reliability.

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Apr 19, 2020

# ¿ Apr 19, 2020 20:05

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

I'm not gonna open it up now but yeah it definitely looks like m.2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOd-ZI9YbMU&t=134s

Klyith posted:

Are the mediocre $/GB prices for Transcend stuff on amazon too off-putting? $50 for a 256gb isn't ideal, but at least Transcend is a reliable if very unexciting brand.

Well yeah it's not great but I haven't seen anything better either. The only other options I see locally (not in the US) are Umax, Team, and Goodram and I've never even heard of those (or maybe the former made my ski goggles?). The Transcend is :10bux:

more than the mystery Chinese one but at least I'd have a warranty and won't have to wait for two months for it to arrive.

# ¿ Apr 19, 2020 23:39

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

mobby_6kl posted:

I'm not gonna open it up now but yeah it definitely looks like m.2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOd-ZI9YbMU&t=134s

Well yeah it's not great but I haven't seen anything better either. The only other options I see locally (not in the US) are Umax, Team, and Goodram and I've never even heard of those (or maybe the former made my ski goggles?). The Transcend is more than the mystery Chinese one but at least I'd have a warranty and won't have to wait for two months for it to arrive.

Well that's not great.

I think I'll just pick up the Transcend from a local store today.

Assuming it can be fixed enough to read again, is there any software that can clone it to a network drive and more importantly restore it to the new one from network as well? Obviously I can't put two drives into my tablet.

# ¿ Apr 22, 2020 11:20

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Are you worried it's too slow or something?

Someone who's good at ssds pleas help me.
my disk is dying.

This is the same Chinese SSD from the previous post, due to work stuff I didn't have time to get the new one yet. I'm really shocked it still boots and works more or less fine, posting from it now.

# ¿ Apr 25, 2020 15:57

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

mobby_6kl posted:

Are you worried it's too slow or something?

Someone who's good at ssds pleas help me.
my disk is dying.

This is the same Chinese SSD from the previous post, due to work stuff I didn't have time to get the new one yet. I'm really shocked it still boots and works more or less fine, posting from it now.

Klyith posted:

Are the mediocre $/GB prices for Transcend stuff on amazon too off-putting? $50 for a 256gb isn't ideal, but at least Transcend is a reliable if very unexciting brand.

I got that Transend and managed to clone everything over yesterday (and today it failed to boot from the old one lol). Feels nice, man...

And that's using half of the drive. Not mega fast compared to high-end NVMe stuff but the important part is that the machine is now snappy again because it doesn't choke on any writes (and it boots)

# ¿ May 1, 2020 11:49

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

priznat posted:

I want to see some crazy low tier of storage where data is etched into obsidian using a big rear end laser and then read back by feeling the grooves which will last for 10,000 years or something

Write speeds of like 4k bytes per hour.

That's... already a thing.

quote:

Microsoft and Warner Bros. have collaborated to successfully store and retrieve the entire 1978 iconic �Superman� movie on a piece of glass roughly the size of a drink coaster, 75 by 75 by 2 millimeters thick.

It was the first proof of concept test for Project Silica, a Microsoft Research project that uses recent discoveries in ultrafast laser optics and artificial intelligence to store data in quartz glass. A laser encodes data in glass by creating layers of three-dimensional nanoscale gratings and deformations at various depths and angles. Machine learning algorithms read the data back by decoding images and patterns that are created as polarized light shines through the glass.

The hard silica glass can withstand being boiled in hot water, baked in an oven, microwaved, flooded, scoured, demagnetized and other environmental threats that can destroy priceless historic archives or cultural treasures if things go wrong.
...
�One big thing we wanted to eliminate is this expensive cycle of moving and rewriting data to the next generation. We really want something you can put on the shelf for 50 or 100 or 1,000 years and forget about until you need it,� Rowstron said.

https://news.microsoft.com/innovation-stories/ignite-project-silica-superman/

Ok so it's slow, has garbage data density and you have to feel the grooves with a laser, but it works.

# ¿ May 11, 2020 23:37

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

But all the blurays rotted into goo so it's either the magic crystal or nothing.

It doesn't seem to be mentioned in that article but I remember reading somewhere that they were going to lay out and encode the data in a way that an algorithm could learn to decode it without having the format documented on a stick of printed out pdfs. Obviously you'd still need lasers and computers and poo poo, if we're back down to sticks and stones it's gonna be no good of course.

# ¿ May 12, 2020 00:53

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

I assume it's like a sausage, not clicking.

# ¿ Dec 4, 2020 01:57

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

I'll probably be building a new PC finally, but my current one has a relatively recent 512GB WD Blue SATA SSD in it which is working fine. I'm sure the newer stuff is faster, but it's not going to be super obvious, is it? As long as I'm not running database benchmarks or something.

# ¿ Oct 21, 2022 15:26

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

So I went on aliexpress as I usually do on Sundays, and I found this:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003819383727.html

Perfect for all your SSD cooling needs.

# ¿ Nov 7, 2022 01:55

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

BIG HEADLINE posted:

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categ...p/CX-9029002-WW

And that's not the only one out there.

Lol I should've known!

I thought for sure it was just a wacky aliexpress thing, like a chicken helmet, and nobody would actually put a cooler with heat pipes and a fan on an SSD.

# ¿ Nov 7, 2022 09:12

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 12:25

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Saukkis posted:

They are the perfect product. Impressive looking upgrades for high performance device, that are useless and harmless, or at least don't do harm in a noticeable way.

You are talking about the chicken helmets, right?

# ¿ Nov 7, 2022 11:45

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