SSD Thread: (its good, ignore the anime)

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Rastor: Jun 2, 2001

Potato Salad posted:

So, pending updates to the OP I'd like to field as a sanity check:

Recommended List:
-Move Intel 600p from pending to consumer nvme

-Add 960 PRO as likely datacenter nvme candidate

-Add 960 EVO as likely consumer sata candidate

-Move OCZ RD400 from pending to consumer nvme (definitely not datacenter endurance at only 0.31 drive writes per day)

-Add Mulshkin Reactor as mainstream consumer sata

No-Fly List:
-Remove OCZ

Thoughts?

I thought the Samsung 960 series were only available in the m.2 form factor? Am I wrong?

# ¿ Sep 21, 2016 21:41

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# ¿ Apr 26, 2024 05:12

Rastor: Jun 2, 2001

mmkay posted:

Found something interesting from Microsoft about using NVDIMM-N:
https://channel9.msdn.com/events/Build/2016/P470
It's a bit old (back from April), but I don't believe I saw discussion about it.

Probably most of us don't have access to such a setup (I know I don't). That's definitely an obvious application for 3D Xpoint if it can get close the latencies of DRAM modules.

# ¿ Sep 22, 2016 16:39

Rastor: Jun 2, 2001

An external NVMe adapter would have to be one of those Thunderbolt or USB type C PCIe bridges and those are still in the "expensive and buggy" phase.

# ¿ Sep 23, 2016 23:28

Rastor: Jun 2, 2001

Like I dunno man, a PCIe card adapter and a desktop with the side panel left off I guess.

# ¿ Sep 23, 2016 23:38

Rastor: Jun 2, 2001

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

If they're lucky those slots have a PCIE x2 mode

Isn't the keying different?

This is going to be shoving in DRAM modules backward all over again.

# ¿ Oct 5, 2016 13:00

Rastor: Jun 2, 2001

The Samsung 960 EVO drives are now available for preorder on the Samsung website:
http://www.samsung.com/us/computing/memory-storage/solid-state-drives/

# ¿ Oct 17, 2016 15:23

Rastor: Jun 2, 2001

Ynglaur posted:

Is there an NVME to 2.5" adapter? I may want to prepurchase an SSD for a new laptop but use it in the old laptop.

You have to understand, NVMe isn't just "faster SSD", it's a different protocol. There's no SATA / AHCI stuff going on with an NVMe drive.

So the short answer is no, there's no adapter, they use different interfaces that can't be adapted.

# ¿ Nov 17, 2016 13:22

Rastor: Jun 2, 2001

BIG HEADLINE posted:

I still wish there was an incentive for a company to put out an SSD that just gave ~300/300 MB/sec performance (just enough to saturate an SATA II connection), so we could start killing off spinners altogether. I know the reason we *don't* have it yet is that there's no incentive to specifically develop *slower* NAND, but a 300/300 SSD at high capacities would not only give people with older computers a way to transition entirely to a single large SSD, but also give everyone else a perfectly workable Steam/Storage drive with SSD seek times.

What you're thinking of is a DRAMless SSD. The capacities just aren't there quite yet.

# ¿ Nov 27, 2016 23:50

Rastor: Jun 2, 2001

3D Xpoint update:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/optane-3d-xpoint-intel-p4800x-cold-stream,33624.html

Reiterating: 3D Xpoint is for enterprise workloads with very high IOPS at low queue depths on a smallish (few hundred GB) quantity of data. It is not an optimization for your gaming rig.

# ¿ Feb 9, 2017 17:30

Rastor: Jun 2, 2001

The new state of storage:

DRAM is faster than Optane is faster than Z-SSD is faster than NVMe SSD is faster than SATA SSD is faster than SATA HDD is faster than tape backup.

It's caches all the way down.

# ¿ Mar 20, 2017 20:45

Rastor: Jun 2, 2001

Intel's new SSD form factor, the ruler:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11702/intel-introduces-new-ruler-ssd-for-servers

# ¿ Aug 9, 2017 21:38

Rastor: Jun 2, 2001

Potato Salad posted:

I have a 900p.

I will not be buying more. There is no benefit over a DC P4500 (or higher series, per your estimated drive writes per day) except on artificially crafted benchmarks with no queue depth. It's not better for my oracle dbs, not better for my vdi environment, not better for even a client hpc environment.

Simply by the nature of being a storage drop in replacement, optane will always be crippled. Imo, we have effectively licked classical local block storage by placing it on the pcie bus and on the infinitely-scalable nvme protocol (and making it securely available by direct network fabric access).

It's the 2H 2018 DIMM 3DXpoint that's going to change your world.

Sounds like your use case calls for SAMSUNG Z-NAND

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-z-nand-sz985-intel-optane,35956.html

# ¿ Nov 17, 2017 22:45

Rastor: Jun 2, 2001

Star Citizen continues to be more amazing each day, I hear they are now selling virtual land on virtual moons in the space game that will always be virtual

# ¿ Nov 29, 2017 23:58

Rastor: Jun 2, 2001

Samsung Announces 860 PRO And 860 EVO

# ¿ Jan 23, 2018 16:14

Rastor: Jun 2, 2001

Samsung has released their first Z-NAND drives:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12376/samsung-launches-zssd-sz985-up-to-800gb-of-znand

quote:

The memory cell read performance of their Z-NAND is ten times higher than their 3D TLC NAND, leading to 70% higher random read throughput than their PM963 NVMe SSD.

quote:

The SZ985 can deliver up to 750k random read IOPS, well above the 550k IOPS that Intel's Optane SSD DC P4800X is rated for.

# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 16:30

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# ¿ Apr 26, 2024 05:12

Rastor: Jun 2, 2001

You can't assume any storage device will retain data permanently, other than maybe m-disc. For all the other formats it's not a design goal. It's in their interest to deliver a certain amount of reliability, sure, but not 100%.

# ¿ Feb 7, 2018 12:48

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