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Luna Was Here posted:So what's the solution to for-profit medical care? Putting it all under the government? And can't most of these drugs be imported from Europe or are the high profile ones (namely the insulin and the epi-pens) only made by the specific companies that are jacking the prices up? Not immediately or all at once, and probably not eventually directly under the government. My assumption is that it would end up as a government corporation, a la the Post Office. Generally speaking, it starts with getting single payer healthcare, where insurance companies mostly gently caress off and die and the government pays for your healthcare through taxes (i.e. what all of the First World besides us has), combined with direct price controls on drug companies. That in and of itself is a huge political battle in the US because conservatives know that once universal healthcare goes through they'll never get rid of it and their opposition to it will make the deeply unpopular. Past that is the great unknown. I have no clue about importing drugs but I imagine patent law plays a big part in it. Edit: forums user BI NOW GAY LATER is way better at explaining this than me and he had a great post about it in the last thread I might be able to find when I wake up. Basically full government control of the healthcare system is the end goal, but also probably a super long term pipe dream. The immediate short term goal is to turn ACA (Obamacare) into what is commonly referred to as the public option, or essentially the option to forgo private insurance and let the government pay for it for you. If we manage that, the public option would naturally kill off a lot of insurance companies (who can't compete with a non-profit) and trend us towards full single payer. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Sep 1, 2016 |
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VitalSigns posted:Oh boy we're going to plunge down the rabbit hole of solipsism to justify a claim that not believing in your religion is 'faith', I can't wait. Well, technically we can't prove that we aren't all brains in jars either, etc. Welcome to philosophy 101 class, let's have some fascinating discussions about epistemology.
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Lightning Knight posted:(i.e. what all of the First World besides us has) Not even close to true. But it would be nice
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Not even close to true. But it would be nice Is that so? I was told we're the only industrialized nation in the world that doesn't have public universal healthcare. Who else doesn't? Or are we getting into weird stuff like whatever the Swiss have?
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A friend of mine told me that Trump claimed that 80 percent of all white homicide victims were killed by black people but I don't see anything in the news about it. Surely my friend is mistaken and he didn't say anything that egregiously stupid did he?
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Lightning Knight posted:Is that so? I was told we're the only industrialized nation in the world that doesn't have public universal healthcare. Who else doesn't? Or are we getting into weird stuff like whatever the Swiss have? Netherlands and Switzerland off hand, plus I'm Irish and we have "universal healthcare" only in the sense that all adults over a certain age must have private insurance (Obamacare-ish) plus the public option is dire for many common procedures. This is not unusual among European states I believe
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Netherlands and Switzerland off hand, plus I'm Irish and we have "universal healthcare" only in the sense that all adults over a certain age must have private insurance (Obamacare-ish) plus the public option is dire for many common procedures. This is not unusual among European states I believe Interesting. Also some combination of pathetic and depressing. gently caress private healthcare, so loving much. I'm especially salty about this now because my dad officially has to take insulin for his diabetes now, woo!
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:A friend of mine told me that Trump claimed that 80 percent of all white homicide victims were killed by black people but I don't see anything in the news about it. Surely my friend is mistaken and he didn't say anything that egregiously stupid did he? He tweeted an image with grossly wrong and false statistics. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/23/donald-trump/trump-tweet-blacks-white-homicide-victims/ (I believe the actual statistics is Black on white homocide is 14%. Most murders are intraracial (you are more likely to be murdered by a person of your race[and by someone you actually know]). *edit-- update statistic in the article says 15% in 2015. I was recalling the one from 2011. Svanja fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Sep 1, 2016 |
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Why doesn't anyone talk about the real scourge of white-on-white crime?
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Donkwich posted:Why doesn't anyone talk about the real scourge of white-on-white crime?
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dicks assassin posted:Republicans aren't stupid enough to shutdown government a month before the election, right? Probably not, but they might try to get cute and gently caress up.
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dicks assassin posted:Republicans aren't stupid enough to shutdown government a month before the election, right? They did it once before immsure that at least a few will try to do it again
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Mr Interweb posted:Wait, how does this work for a citizen? Not very well, as you can imagine. Fail the paper bag test, get shipped off to a foreign country and it's up to you to prove your way back. It's happened Shockingly this never happens to a be-suited wallstreet investor, it happens to the most vulnerable mentally disabled homeless people on the street. Edit: in case you thought I was kidding. E2: I thought there were more cases. I mixed up "citizens were brought in and detained" with "were actually deported" numbers. Harik fucked around with this message at 12:27 on Sep 1, 2016 |
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These threads can be fun when there is something in the news to talk about like trump. These derails into trigger warnings and religion 101 are rather off putting. The one thing I am surprised with is the acknowledgement of the term alt right by the "main stream media" and the Clinton campaign. Would have thing the spot light on these groups grow or shrink them? Could it grant them legitimacy? The other thing I worry about is the state of the democratic party. Trump is very toxic to non whites and is basically driving them to the dems because of our two party system. But if you take away the enemy of my enemy, stuff can they keep it together to get some problems solved. This has been on mind since the Orlando shooting. Conservatives: "a member of a group I hate shot up members of another group I hate....I have mixed feelings about this" Liberals: "a member of a group I support shot up members of another group I support.....I have mixed feelings about this" If the GOP wants to get in the white house they are gonna have to find a different wedge to peel off democratic voters, conversationally the democratic party is gonna have to find a way to keep its support when we dont have the evil orange man yelling about poo poo.
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max4me posted:Liberals: "a member of a group I support shot up members of another group I support.....I have mixed feelings about this" I don't think mass shooters or ISIS sympathizers are groups liberals support 
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Lightning Knight posted:Generally speaking, it starts with getting single payer healthcare, where insurance companies mostly gently caress off and die and the government pays for your healthcare through taxes (i.e. what all of the First World besides us has), combined with direct price controls on drug companies. Germany and France: not first world countries
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max4me posted:The one thing I am surprised with is the acknowledgement of the term alt right by the "main stream media" and the Clinton campaign.
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max4me posted:If the GOP wants to get in the white house they are gonna have to find a different wedge to peel off democratic voters, conversationally the democratic party is gonna have to find a way to keep its support when we dont have the evil orange man yelling about poo poo. The only way the republicans get the white house again is by completely tearing down the Southern Strategy and starting over, but that's effectively destroying the party anyway. They're hosed. Also, gently caress the idea that liberals are 'torn' on violence.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/771298236376178688 tbf he doesn't say WHO is making big progress
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max4me posted:The other thing I worry about is the state of the democratic party. Trump is very toxic to non whites and is basically driving them to the dems because of our two party system. But if you take away the enemy of my enemy, stuff can they keep it together to get some problems solved. Trump isn't an existential threat to non-whites that is driving them into a temporarily partnership with Democrats. The GOP as a whole is doing that, and the Democratic Party is becoming more and more reliant on and composed by minorities. Trump is definitely driving up turnout, but unless the GOP actually jettisons the the Southern Strategy they've been desperately trying to hide for decades, minorities are not going to come flocking back to the GOP. Given the wise insight into race that the GOP has been displaying, I expect 2017 rebuilding to be built on Taco Tuesdays and Soul Food Sundays, as presented by rich old white people pretending not to be double checking their car lock every time the attendees walk by.
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Whats Hillary Clinton's position on the death penalty again (just as one example)
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Is this for the one district that sometimes goes blue or the entire state?
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The entire state as far as I can tell.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Is this for the one district that sometimes goes blue or the entire state? The entire state, I think. I'm going to just imagine it's an outlier because this state is full of shitters outside Omaha, and still pretty shitter-heavy inside the city.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Is this for the one district that sometimes goes blue or the entire state? According to the 538 data placement, it's statewide. Will we finally have an election map that lets you drive up and down the coasts and across the country without ever having to enter a red state?
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Gyges posted:According to the 538 data placement, it's statewide. Yeah and I-80 goes through Nebraska
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Remember: Reuters changed their entire methodology recently and it's been showing insane poo poo like Hillary down 14 in New Hampshire while up 7 in Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvannia, and showing her suddenly losing 12 points to be losing Michigan while gaining 18 to be winning Nebraska. Something is seriously wrong with their polls.
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Gyges posted:According to the 538 data placement, it's statewide. I will laugh forever if the election map ends up a giant, blue 'H' across the country.
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Gyges posted:Trump isn't an existential threat to non-whites that is driving them into a temporarily partnership with Democrats. The GOP as a whole is doing that, and the Democratic Party is becoming more and more reliant on and composed by minorities. Trump is definitely driving up turnout, but unless the GOP actually jettisons the the Southern Strategy they've been desperately trying to hide for decades, minorities are not going to come flocking back to the GOP. Given the wise insight into race that the GOP has been displaying, I expect 2017 rebuilding to be built on Taco Tuesdays and Soul Food Sundays, as presented by rich old white people pretending not to be double checking their car lock every time the attendees walk by. I am going to assume you mean minorities as in (none whites). my concern comes from the fact that minorities are not a monolithic bloc, and I doubt there is much solidarity between all the different groups. I've talked about my retarded fox news watching friend in other threads. But he likes to say "Mexican, Blacks, and Muslims are really conservatives they just dont know it but yeah they are if you look at social issues like gay marriage, etc you know blacks are very religious etc" He does this when I point out how his team lost with mittens. I tried to point out how condescending he sounded and now that I think about it the whole TRUMP "What do you blacks have to lose by voting for me, you lot is awful under obama it will be awful under crooked Hillary" looks more like a another version of "you silly people are really on our side your just too stupid to know it" The southern strategy worked on a level of adding abstraction to the mix, hence the adopting of economic polices to hurt poor black more than whites. If you rebuke the white nationalism and just put a spin on conservatism as an ideology to appeal to different blocks of voters. Remember Goldwater hated the new conservatism under regan, which is very different than what we see today.
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rscott posted:Whats Hillary Clinton's position on the death penalty again Basically that states have proven themselves unable to implement it and either the states themselves or SCOTUS should abolish it. She waffles on the federal death penalty, saying that it's appropriate for certain, very rare cases - Oklahoma City, for one. Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/05/us/politics/transcript-of-the-democratic-presidential-debate.html
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max4me posted:I am going to assume you mean minorities as in (none whites). How do they believably try to about face re: minority outreach without starting Tea Party 2: eclectic biggot loons?
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The sample size of the be Nebraska poll is only 136, putting the margin of error at about 7%. It's really not worth the effort to speculate further.
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max4me posted:The one thing I am surprised with is the acknowledgement of the term alt right by the "main stream media" and the Clinton campaign. Short term it grows them as racists that weren't in the know learn about them. Long term it screws them because a lot of the reason they were getting traction is there was no sustained and organized denouncement of their lovely views, leading to a steady creeping spread of acceptability as a bunch of people embodied to bystander effect thinking "well I really don't agree with that but nobody else seems upset so i guess it is OK to say these sorts of things".
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The biggest surprise for me is how small the sample size is for some of these polls. I thought a small poll was about 10k, not 100.
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I don't think the New York Times could be telegraphing their debate coverage stronger. Apparently they believe the standard for a presidential candidate is less than a retail employee if not using an ethnic slur and being able to read off a card is good enough. What an embarrassment. Like this is not fit for a middle school election New York Times. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 13:32 on Sep 1, 2016 |
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