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iospace
Jan 19, 2038


https://twitter.com/MattMackowiak/status/771314939961106433
I don't know what poll he's using, but this is definitely before Trump's bullshit last night.

https://twitter.com/Random_Pixels/status/771318471967797248

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iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Shifty Pony posted:

ExpressScripts and Caremark both released their 2017 excluded medications lists shortly before the EpiPen thing blew up. EpiPen wasn't excluded from either but that might have been a catalyst for "hey random old medications are getting expensive quickly" and the EpiPen was an extremely well know example.

It also might have been due to back to school. Don't most parents with kids prone to anaphylaxis buy an EpiPen to keep at school?

Prior to a recent law, parents would buy I think (and don't quote me on this) three pens: one for school, one for travel, and one for home. The school one was generally kept in the health room. Obama signed a law within the last couple of years authorizing schools to keep a communal pen, in case a kid has a severe reaction to an unknown allergy, they need a backup in case the student's normal pen has been used, and other reasons.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


LeeMajors posted:

A bunch of my idiotic libertarian dickwad friends (sever) took Econ 101 and have decided this is OBAMA AND THE GOVERNMENT'S FAULT FOR INCREASING DEMAND. IT'S SIMPLE SUPPLY AND DEMAND LIBTARDS.

I can tell you unequivocally (i'm a medic) that sometimes the first dose of Epi is not enough to stop severe anaphylaxis--and depending on time constraints, having multiple epipens around is a good move for public health. Multiple doses are frequently needed along with inhaled beta-agonists and IV steroids and antihistamines. But multiple Epi doses will keep you from succumbing to anaphylactic shock until EMS can arrive.

But no, no, lets argue in defense of the profits of a multibillion dollar international conglomerate and pretend that this super-cheap, incredibly old drug is totally worth 600$....

gently caress this stupid country.

Ok, don't get me wrong here, I'm not surprised prices went up. Demand did increase, supply had to catch up, they go up, but now is the point where, you know, they generally go down that the supply is there.

But lolnope.

Gods I hate libertarians nearly as much as republicans. And now that line isn't so clear either.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/771375671281057796

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


So I found out the college station I spent a couple years at A. does not have the show I was a part of any more (punk and ska), and B. has switched from Alternative to Classic Rock for its main format. :smith:

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


B B posted:

Garrison Keillor is a loving piece of poo poo.

Get your hot takes here! Perfect for heating your house in the coming winter!

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Shimrra Jamaane posted:

These Latino supporters of Trump realize that at any rally they attend there is a non zero amount of people there who would willingly shoot them dead right?

gently caress you, got mine is a very powerful thing.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Spatula City posted:

Car Talk is also like a Sunday morning strip, but rather than Frank and Ernest, which gets the occasional chuckle, it's loving Mary Worth. You have no idea why anyone wants to be listening to it now, if you ever did. I'm glad one of the brothers is dead and I hope the other one dies soon.

you shut your whore mouth right now. Go, do it.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Ice Phisherman posted:

I think what annoys me most about NPR is the problem I have with the rest of the media. They're becoming increasingly less watched while becoming more and more relevant since almost all news filters down from them. They seem unable to call Trump reprehensible for his racism and misogyny, incompetent for his total lack of vision or policies, dangerous because he's mentally unfit or a liar because he lies at an astounding rate. Hillary isn't the greatest, but she's competent. You know what you're getting from her. No one has any idea what a Trump presidency would look like. Probably not even Trump. The media refuses to take any sides and has totally ceded their credibility because they can't take a position that isn't somewhere in the middle. So people who aren't political junkies look at the news and don't know what to think because you have an anchor asking questions of two people with differing opinions and lately those opinions have been increasingly awful, then the media at large tries to find an opinion between either one or two awful opinions. And all that lies between the spectrum of two awful opinions is that the "truth" is awful too because they're taking that bullshit seriously, but in the middle of course.

Also PHC is pretty good. Never listened to a full one all the way through unless by accident, but whatever. If it's on it's on the rest of the night for me.

NPR is in a tough spot. GOP controlled congress threatens to pull the plug from time to time, so it's sadly a feature, not a bug.

Also this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPR_controversies#Ronald_Schiller

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/771547705705324544

Maybe now they can shut up about SOME THINGS.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Crossposting from Trump Thread:

Remember when Hillary claimed you could bait Trump with a tweet?



https://twitter.com/JesseFFerguson/status/771550336452468736

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Samurai Sanders posted:

Has any presidential candidate ever had this much free material to work with?

Nope! The oppo binders have only been cracked open a couple times, the most recent was a collection of Trump's thoughts on Mexico.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Solkanar512 posted:

No one from PBS? What the gently caress is this poo poo?

The only one who could recently passed away :smith:

iospace
Jan 19, 2038



Why do you think the last several pages have been NPR chat?

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Roger Craig posted:

Play this too: https://youtu.be/9kYMayzZ84k

I hope I get polled this year. Got polled last time by an outfit out of Utah, was very happy to tell them I was voting Obama.

I've been polled twice, once by the Republican Party of Wisconsin (who I happily told to gently caress off by way of saying I was voting for Hillary), and once by a company polling my old district up north, which somehow still had me as living up there.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


William F Cuckley posted:

Gwen Ifill's still alive :confused:

I was more talking about John McLaughlin, who would be hilarious to see him rip apart the candidates.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


How much did hillary raise vs trump in August?

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Dork457 posted:

How do I get polled? Is it like being a Nielson family?

You get lucky.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Eifert Posting posted:

The Hillary health thing was the shortest argument I ever had with my Dad:

"Well I saw some stuff about Hillary being unwell."
"Alright, if that's true, Who do you like more? Kaine or Clinton?"
"Kaine."
"So your problem is?"

It's probably why the line of attack fell apart very quickly, doubly so when Trump's doctor's letter came back to haunt him.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Crabtree posted:

If Saudi Arabia was so bad, why did Reagan, Bush Sr. and Jr have decent relationships with the country as well? Again, why is it bad only when Hilldog does it?

Because two things:

1. It's ok if you're republican.
2. http://www.vox.com/2015/7/6/8900143/hillary-clinton-reporting-rules

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


edrith posted:

the new yorker have started an entire new series about how much donald trump lies

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/introducing-a-new-series-trump-and-the-truth

of course it's the new yorker which is written and read solely by snivelling politically correct east coast elite communist bankers but my god it's amazing that a respected national publication felt the need to do a prolonged longform series on how much of a mendacious troglodyte the republican nominee is

Who knows, it could entirely get some traction on the MSM, though likely it'll possibly be brought up on Maddow Monday and that's sadly as far as it goes.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


readingatwork posted:

It's always kind of baffled me that the right feels the need to make up murders, health scares and rape allegations to go after the Clintons when the truth would work just fine.

Annnnnnd what truth would that be?

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Night10194 posted:

I admit I'm starting to worry some about Kellyanne Conway. She seems to be the smartest campaign staffer Trump has gotten so far and seems to be able to keep him on script so far, insane as the script is, at a time when expectations are so low that him not making GBS threads himself in any appearance is touted as brilliance.

The thing about this is it'll raise his expectations for the debates, and the less likely he gets a free pass from the first debate, the better.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Night10194 posted:

My fear is that Trump's current team knows no-one is really paying attention to his rallies and so if they can keep these stunts in the media, he can still give his insane Nuremberg speeches and rallies as a nice treat so that he won't go off message during the 'outreach' events.

The media won't, but Hillary will definitely make sure people know.

It also didn't help that certain parts of the media screwed the pooch with his anti-immigration speech (looking at you, NYT and WSJ)

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/09/14-excerpts-fbis-report-hillary-clintons-email

Mother Jones' take on the FBI release: a big, juicy nothing:burger:

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


readingatwork posted:

That they're pretty much "business as usual" incarnate. They're crass political animals with little real integrity who's entire political platform is based on shrewd calculations and will change on a dime the second the political winds blow in another direction. They're also up to their eyeballs in corporate cash and have pushed watered-down versions of pretty much every lovely Republican economic policy over the years.

And where is your source for this? Or are you reading S4P for this?

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Dr Christmas posted:

From what I can tell, Trump's church meeting went well and will be held up as an example of Trump successfully pivoting.

It's at a prosperity gospel church, so it's used to lies from the pit of Hell, but that'll be glossed over.

Doubt it. They've seen this song and dance before, and I haven't seen anything saying he did.

Though given how desperate the media is for the horserace narrative, who the gently caress knows.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


I think having a period of double-digit leads have spoiled us, though I hope Hillary supporters don't rest on their laurels here.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Trabisnikof posted:

I still want them to remake Daisy since they already did confessions of a republican

Look up the kids watching TV ad. It's close.


Lightning Knight posted:

It's this.

Hillary unfortunately won't win a huge landslide victory because of both increased polarization and the simple fact that Republicans by and large won the narrative war for the last forty years.

That Hillary loving Clinton is doing as well as she is, is a testament to how much better organized Democratic campaigning has gotten thanks to Obama. There's a lot of structural and demographic hurdles to overcome in this particular election for Dems, even if in the future it will be easier.

I can potentially see a PV landslide, but We'll probably end up with Obama 2012 with NC flipping because of their governor pissing off the democrats something fierce.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


DemeaninDemon posted:

Obama 12+NC is a landslide still.

Fine, we won't be seeing a 1988 level of landslide.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Friendly reminder:
https://twitter.com/docrocktex26/status/700345798903476224
:unsmith:

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Radish posted:

I think this is what's really starting to piss me off at this point. Trump doesn't need to fund raise for television spots since pretty much the entire media is running the negative ads on Clinton that normally a candidate would be spending money on, many of which are blatantly false. Noted ultra liberal socialist NPR is more or less ignoring the fact that a white supremacist is running the Trump campaign while praising that guy's ability to get Trump in a room with black people and not exploding or kicking them out of their homes.

I hate to do this, /again/, but NPR's republican slant is because a republican controlled congress repeatedly threatens to pull the plug on them if they get too far left. It's a feature, not a bug, and one put in to save their own rear end because the GOP can't have any government funded institution be against them ever.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Here's my question: One candidate openly insults the press, the other ignores them, but doesn't insult them.

Why the gently caress do they treat them the same outside of "horserace"?

e:
Jeff Flake (AZ Senator) refuses to endorse and says he will not vote Trump:
https://twitter.com/jdelreal/status/772427737822797824

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Dr.Zeppelin posted:

What's this fantasy world you live in where the media is going to do that? If anything, him attacking them just makes them more desperate to please him. Here's some NYT reporting on why Hillary is bad while they continue not giving a poo poo that Trump's foundation more or less bribed multiple AGs into not investigating his scam university:

https://twitter.com/glastris/status/772416076844064768

It's mind-boggling how anyone who follows this election can maintain the illusion that the media can/will do whatever they need to do to bring him down. WaPo is the only one doing its job this year.

Didn't Trump get caught doing an actual pay-to-play thing and the media let it slide?

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Dr.Zeppelin posted:

a) the media isn't actually as liberal as people pretend it is
b) actual liberals in the media often overcompensate for their own perceived biases and trash liberals/Democrats to prove how neutral they are
c) media people LOVE it when they get to be part of the story so being ignored is way worse to them than being attacked
d) Hillary press pool is watching their professional colleagues on the Trump beat get way way way more attention paid to them because of how many more stories they have, Hillary beat reporters probably feel like Hillary's refusal to engage with them is actively hurting their own careers and are lashing out at her in response
e) the media completely bought in to fringe right-wing conspiracy-mongering in the 90s and all had starry-eyed illusions that they would get to be the one to break the next watergate - when it didn't happen they blamed the Clintons for not being dirty enough rather than Matt Drudge et al leading them by the nose to one idiot conspiracy theory after another
f) because of GOP ref-working over the last 30 years, when a Republican says "where there's smoke, there's fire" while visibly pointing a smoke machine in the direction of a Clinton, the media can't help but chase the shiny ball because to them an argument means a story

This is what I don't get, personally. While I could be wrong and this changed, usually the press pool of the winning candidate for president ends up in the White House press pool for the duration of their term, so wouldn't it be in their best interests to push good stories? :v: (what am I saying, they want short term profit, not long)

And you'd think with E they'd finally get sick of all the wolf calls.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Shifty Pony posted:

The republican voting block there is on Medicare so why should they give a poo poo?

Because IT'S A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT'S THING THAT'S FAILING, that's why.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


In other news:

Republicans totally care about the military. They want only the best equipment for the best soldiers in the best country.
https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/772132400092553216

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Josef bugman posted:

What do you think it would take for republicans to actually collapse?

Honestly, house advantage back down to single digits, a 51-49 Senate split, and Hillary as the president. The infighting will be glorious, because the last two autopsies after the presidential went /completely/ ignored, and they'll be pointing fingers at everyone to try to get out of the blame.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


hiddenriverninja posted:

kick over their rascals

:golfclap:

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iospace
Jan 19, 2038


https://twitter.com/JCBua/status/772492586196033537

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