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Is H. P. Lovecraft a good author?
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CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Good Lovecraft is good. Bad Lovecraft is August Derleth.

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CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



hth posted:

i got a dead dreaming eldergod tentacle you can rouse from its millenia of slumber, OP

And with strange Viagra, even death may die?

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



EmmyOk posted:

I think everyone goes into Lovecraft thinking "everyone was racist back then :downs:" and then a few pages in realises "Jesus Christ, Howard, what the gently caress man"

Said by someone who has apparently never read Lovecraft.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



"Pickman's Model" has always been one of my personal favorites. Such a nice slow burn to the :stonk: climax.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



MeatwadIsGod posted:

As much as I like his writing when he's at his best, there are so many great weird fiction authors from that era or beforehand that are probably more rewarding overall. Guy du Maupassant especially is probably the most consistently good short story writer ever. Still, there are some unique aspects to his writing that make his best stories more than the some of their parts.

Ambrose Bierce was better. :colbert:

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Fire Barrel posted:

Yeah, that's basically why I think the Hyborian Age gets undue flack. Hell, I think if anything is really singled out by Howard in his works, especially stories involving Conan, it's civilized society. So much of the nastiness in those books stems from people that come from more developed societies than the Cimmerians or the other groups marginalized by the "advanced" civilizations in the world.

Some lines in the Kane stories, though, are still pretty rough and are just a sign of the times. It's worth noting, though, that those ideas don't really feature all that heavily into the Kane stories either. And I single out Kane because, ostensibly, it's has a historical setting as its backdrop.

When you said Kane I thought at first you were conflating the work of Karl Edward Wagner with Howard, then double-checked and remembered Solomon Kane.

Wagner's Kane is pretty badass.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Aubergine Mage posted:

He also let Clark Ashton Smith expand on the Mythos (which is cool, Smith is good but Lovecraft should never have let Derleth near his work)

I shittalked Derleth earlier in the thread. The worst are the ones he "finished" for Lovecraft posthumously and that misleading just list Lovecraft as the author. Derleth clearly couldn't grasp the whole "the Abrahamic god doesn't exist and there is no simple good/evil dichotomy" thing and wrote some of the most mundane crap ever.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Aubergine Mage posted:

And unfortunately, a lot of writers doing Mythos stuff now take their cues from Derleth. But still, without Derleth, Lovecraft's work would probably have fallen into obscurity on his death since he was (I think) instrumental in keeping HP's name alive.

Yeah, Derleth really kept Lovecraft's legacy alive, despite making GBS threads on it every time he tried to add to it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkham_House

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



One of the things I love most about Lovecraft is his unapologetic use of the umlaut. English should never have stopped using them, goddamnit.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



hemophilia posted:

the themes are so similar and you're better off watching the thing i really don't care if it's not a literal adaptation nobody should really be reading lovecraft.

You should read the novella that The Thing is based on - it is really very good. It would also help you to understand how badly you are screwing up your attempts at analogy here.

"Who Goes There?" by John W. Campbell, Jr, 1938

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Lovecraft was actually a good writer, and anyone who unironically recommends reading Stephen King as a better alternative is either trolling or functionally illiterate.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013




I will loving cut you.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

I am obsessed with the racism of a dead author

Edited for clarity.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



One of my all-time favorite authors who explicitly referenced Lovecraft as an influence was Roger Zelazny. That dude wrote some great stuff.

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CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

Forget lovecraft this joker needs to learn how to read, period😂

(My post was commenting on the number of defences of lovecraft despite nobody having attacked lovecraft. In your rush to do the same you've mistaken my post for the first such attack :pipe:)

I'm terribly sorry if it was a misfire - your avatar just makes me irrationally angry.

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