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Ratios and Tendency posted:I'm guessing AiC's inflated reputation is because they were a safe haven for fleeing hair metal teens that were instantly rendered uncool by Nevermind, because they're pretty boring honestly. Pearl Jam's early releases and Nirvana are also good. I don't listen to them much anymore because if you haven't heard that poo poo way too many times I'm kinda jealous. Not really something I'd talk with people about in real life, but it's true whether people want to admit it or not. They aren't the peak of music or anything, but all three of those bands deserve to survive the next few decades in the same way lots of the 50s/60s bands people still remember have. Khorne fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Sep 10, 2016 |
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The opening wail on Them Bones is better than the entirety of Nirvana and Pearl Jam's catalog.
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Sep 10, 2016 20:28
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so apparently counting crows is still playing concerts, is that wild or what??
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Sep 10, 2016 22:40
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Counting pennies
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Sep 10, 2016 23:19
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Tricky D posted:The opening wail on Them Bones is better than the entirety of Nirvana and Pearl Jam's catalog. This is true. And AIC was great. Who cares if they were marketed?
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What would have been the music scene of the early-mid 90s if not for the grunge scene? Would the indie/college rock alternative scene have picked up a lot of popularity on its own, or would something else have been big in its place? The angry metal sound seemed like it was sort of starting to already give way a bit more to a more 'fun' and ballad based hard rock sound around the time of Nirvana's emergence. In a world without Nirvana or Pearl Jam, would we have been be seeing a bunch of hugely popular Unplugged releases of possibly still popular metal/hard rock groups to broaden their appeal to the mainstream and soften their image with a more 'folky' take on their louder hits?
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Sep 11, 2016 06:48
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The big thing happening at the time - bigger than grunge I'd warrant - was the emergence of techno and permutations of electronic dance music.
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Sep 11, 2016 07:04
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Alice in Chains could have been marketed as the next new kids on the block and it wouldn't matter because they own them bones.
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Sep 11, 2016 18:37
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central dogma posted:This is true. And AIC was great. Who cares if they were marketed? It's a really ridiculous argument because every record sold is a product of marketing. Punk rock and grunge trying to pretend they were somehow above it was itself a fiction of marketing.
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Sep 11, 2016 18:39
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selling out seems like such a quaint notion these days because it implies you can actually make money playing music
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Sep 11, 2016 18:44
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The 90s concept of selling out seems hilariously childish anymore. Although I guess big labels had a lot more weight to throw around back then.
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Sep 11, 2016 19:02
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This song was a little popular for a window of time after grunge got big. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmxSMIN3-WI
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Sep 12, 2016 05:31
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Pearl Jam is bad but they are no Mumford and Sons, Lumineers, or Train so at least they have that going for them?
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Sep 12, 2016 05:47
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Wizchine posted:The big thing happening at the time - bigger than grunge I'd warrant - was the emergence of techno and permutations of electronic dance music.
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Sep 12, 2016 06:36
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Did any grunge groups get their own video game? Journey got a video game. Aerosmith got a video game. Motley Crue got a video game. KISS got video games. New Kids almost got a video game. Did any of them even get a dedicated Rock Band/Guitar Hero?
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Sep 12, 2016 06:44
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at least one of the kiss video games was good, that generic 90s shooter
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Sep 12, 2016 06:46
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Pearl Jam always sucked and I knew it from day 1.
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Sep 12, 2016 07:57
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it's not that they're bad they're just not particularly good b/c it turns out singing with a microphone up your nose makes the lyrics hard to understand and then whats the point do the evolution is the only pearl jam song where i can make out most of the words with effort
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Sep 12, 2016 08:05
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just a shy guy lookin' for a two-ply hefty bag to hold my-y-y-y-y-y-y love i still cannot believe these are real lyrics to a real song that somehow became a hit.
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Sep 12, 2016 08:25
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Gazpacho posted:yeah but that could never fly in the US after disco made white guys stomp their feet about "muh guitar bands" if you look at the billboard top 100 from about 89-94 there's a ton of dance tracks far more than any grunge or alt rock songs
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Sep 12, 2016 08:31
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3rd eye blind b1tch1!!!
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Chinatown posted:3rd eye blind b1tch1!!! didn't their lead singer basically rip off the rest of the band by setting up some company that took all the money or some weird poo poo
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Sep 12, 2016 08:43
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Gazpacho posted:it's not that they're bad they're just not particularly good b/c it turns out singing with a microphone up your nose makes the lyrics hard to understand and then whats the point the purpose of singing is clear enunciation
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Sep 12, 2016 09:07
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Cubey posted:just a shy guy is this song about a hobo looking for toilet paper so he can take a poo poo in a trashbag
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Zorodius posted:the purpose of singing is clear enunciation counterpoint: black metal
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Sep 12, 2016 09:15
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best grunge bands: TAD soundgarden up to badmotorfinger alice in chains up to dirt nirvana's bleach everything melvins ever did everything else is poo poo. pearl jam would be the worst if it weren't for temple of the dog
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Sep 12, 2016 09:24
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melvins is grunge?! wtf
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MiracleWhale posted:melvins is grunge?! wtf loosely defined yeah, they played with other grunge bands and are from the same area. what is grunge anyway? dale crover even plays on bleach. Dyna Soar fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Sep 12, 2016 |
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Sep 12, 2016 09:51
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swervedriver were the best band to combine the pacific northwestern rock sound with shoegaze. only band, too.
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Sep 12, 2016 09:57
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MiracleWhale posted:melvins is grunge?! wtf melvins are the last remaining legit punk band much like non-maritime courts grunge is a legal fiction
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here's my fav melvins live clips from youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MRgCcYyKQk full show from ucla with dracula lori on bass. look at those loving weirdos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-nmcfiC3nM bonus studio live from the 90s, look at those goddamn weirdos there was also a live clip from some italian daytime tv show from the 90s. it ends up with the host asking buzz why cobain killed himself, with buzz saying he killed himself because he was a stupid junkie. the host then translates this to italian and the show cuts to commercials.
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Sep 12, 2016 10:05
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not that it matters but i think that 2nd video's from the early 2000s since that's david scott stone on guitar and kevin rutmanis from the cows on bass
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Sep 12, 2016 10:20
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this is my favorite melvins vid them covering into the void but making the slow parts slower and the fast parts faster https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m0QcEv2xwU
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Sep 12, 2016 10:22
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William F Cuckley posted:not that it matters but i think that 2nd video's from the early 2000s since that's david scott stone on guitar and kevin rutmanis from the cows on bass yeah, could very well be.
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Sep 12, 2016 10:31
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melvins on headbangers ball: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZxK5iP-5q8 melvins on some lovely tv show, that host and the audience loving suck. look at those weirdos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPaQ-1WsoG0 melvins in slovenia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdHi2dq9W3M "our biggest influence is to play something that is good"
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Sep 12, 2016 10:33
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Dyna Soar posted:best grunge bands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q954LxEzyY8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yun1IlBnDmY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCZVRQ3z5qE
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Sep 12, 2016 11:03
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cosmic psychos come from a long tradition of ozzie punk rock starting from the 70s. L7 I never got into and mudhoney are kinda boring to me.
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Dyna Soar posted:TAD Can't really fault this though. Although Nevermind was good and Nirvana had a lot of really great B-sides and demos too.
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Dyna Soar posted:cosmic psychos come from a long tradition of ozzie punk rock starting from the 70s. L7 I never got into and mudhoney are kinda boring to me. The Psychos are often named as the godfathers of grunge and were pretty involved in the whole scene. Most of the best grunge bands were just punk bands that happened to be around at that general place and time.
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Bill Posters posted:The Psychos are often named as the godfathers of grunge and were pretty involved in the whole scene. Most of the best grunge bands were just punk bands that happened to be around at that general place and time. eh, that would put a whole lot of bands that didn't have much to do with the seattle / olympia scene as grunge. i always thought of it was a geographical thing, a relatively small number of bands playing with each other and influencing each other before the whole thing imploding in the early 90s thanks to heroin and selling out. grunge as it was was pretty much over and done with by 1992
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