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PMush Perfect
Sep 30, 2009

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Skyl3lazer posted:

Is it from graveyard to hand as a trigger, or a replacement effect for being put into the graveyard?
Trigger, thought it'd be cleaner. Less weird interactions.

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Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



Please stop suggesting cards that are strictly better than basics

Also does anyone know why C with MSE keeps giving me chaos instead of colorless

Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

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Elyv posted:

Please stop suggesting cards that are strictly better than basics

Also does anyone know why C with MSE keeps giving me chaos instead of colorless

I think there's an unofficial patch for it on the forums.

PMush Perfect
Sep 30, 2009

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Elyv posted:

strictly better

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

Let's put a simile on that face
A dazzling simile
Twinkling like the night sky


Zoness
Jul 24, 2011

Talk to the hand.

Grimey Drawer

i wanted to tweak my submission

there isn't anything here



no there's nothing here.

black potus
Jul 13, 2006

we got females in this krew straight up ballin gonna watch some naruto you better not be stallin



Gaze upon what we have wrought.

PMush Perfect
Sep 30, 2009

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Darksteel Citadel's better than Wastes. Nonbasic land are kind of expected to be, in most cases?

black potus
Jul 13, 2006

we got females in this krew straight up ballin gonna watch some naruto you better not be stallin


It's become an explicit WotC design guideline that nonbasic lands should not be basic land text + upside - basic land type, but should have some drawback in a vacuum (ETBT, only tap for colorless, etc).

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



Poison Mushroom posted:

Darksteel Citadel's better than Wastes. Nonbasic land are kind of expected to be, in most cases?

wastes is an exception, what is the last time a nonbasic printed was better than any other basic in all circumstances except nonbasic land hate

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

I, too, have lost a kingdom.
Join me
Let us begin anew.




Cernunnos
Sep 2, 2011



"instead sacrifice ~ and your life total becomes 1."

ChewyLSB
Jan 13, 2008

Destroy the core


black potus
Jul 13, 2006

we got females in this krew straight up ballin gonna watch some naruto you better not be stallin


Edit: See below.

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Serperoth
Feb 21, 2013


black potus posted:

Gaze upon what we have wrought.

Looks like this is the "people make the posts I wanna make before I do" thread.

Also, thanks

Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

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Zoness posted:

i wanted to tweak my submission

there isn't anything here



no there's nothing here.

This seems powerful as gently caress since it turns off fetches, wastelands, ghost quarters, and manlands without hurting (presumably) your own mana base

The Human Crouton
Sep 20, 2002



Skyl3lazer posted:

This seems powerful as gently caress since it turns off fetches, wastelands, ghost quarters, and manlands without hurting (presumably) your own mana base

I'll take 8.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

Forget your RoboCoX or your StickyCoX or your EvilCoX, MY CoX has Blinking Bewbs!

WHY IS THIS GAME DEAD?!

Skyl3lazer posted:

This seems powerful as gently caress since it turns off fetches, wastelands, ghost quarters, and manlands without hurting (presumably) your own mana base

The effect is pretty much the same as Tsabo's Web. This also gives you one mana, Tsabo's Web also gives you a card, so it's pretty much a wash.

Tsabo's Web faded into obscurity once Rishadan Port went away, so I don't see this being huge... unless the set it's in contained cards as nasty as Port.

suicidesteve
Jan 4, 2006
DOOM!

Gynovore posted:

The effect is pretty much the same as Tsabo's Web. This also gives you one mana, Tsabo's Web also gives you a card, so it's pretty much a wash.

Tsabo's Web faded into obscurity once Rishadan Port went away, so I don't see this being huge... unless the set it's in contained cards as nasty as Port.

This isn't the same as Tsabo's Web at all and also Tsabo's Web could also be disenchanted and countered. This can't be dealt with in any of the usual ways one deals with lands (other lands.)

cuntman.net
Mar 1, 2013





Don't know if that reminder text is accurate or not, oh well vOv

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The Human Crouton
Sep 20, 2002



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PMush Perfect
Sep 30, 2009

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TWIST FIST posted:

Don't know if that reminder text is accurate or not, oh well vOv
You can force it by making them costs.

Put a creature you control and an island you control on top of their owners' libraries, T: Draw two cards.

suicidesteve
Jan 4, 2006
DOOM!

TWIST FIST posted:



Don't know if that reminder text is accurate or not, oh well vOv

It's accurate but the downside can be partially negated by, for example, flickering your creature. It can also be countered by removing both targets.

Also this is insanely powerful. At the very least it should say nontoken.

Mystic Mongol
Jan 5, 2007



College Slice


Aww, man. Crazy! What a build around.

But do you mean for this mana to be used to cast only instants?

The Human Crouton
Sep 20, 2002



Mystic Mongol posted:

Aww, man. Crazy! What a build around.

But do you mean for this mana to be used to cast only instants?

Yes. I think the rules enforce that, but I didn't want to add () text because I didn't want to take away from the joke.

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black potus
Jul 13, 2006

we got females in this krew straight up ballin gonna watch some naruto you better not be stallin


black potus posted:

W/e I'm aggressively lazy, so you get text. Maybe I'll mock it later.



E: Pretend the green one ETBT too, I hosed that up.

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cuntman.net
Mar 1, 2013



suicidesteve posted:

It's accurate but the downside can be partially negated by, for example, flickering your creature. It can also be countered by removing both targets.

Also this is insanely powerful. At the very least it should say nontoken.

rather sloppy patch up


Poison Mushroom posted:

You can force it by making them costs.

Put a creature you control and an island you control on top of their owners' libraries, T: Draw two cards.

That's almost what I want, except that you'd just end up drawing the cards you put there.

PMush Perfect
Sep 30, 2009

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Put them on the bottom? "Scry 4, then draw 2 cards"?

A nontoken creature and a land for what's basically a repeatable Brainstorm is not bad at all.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

Forget your RoboCoX or your StickyCoX or your EvilCoX, MY CoX has Blinking Bewbs!

WHY IS THIS GAME DEAD?!

"Choose a nontoken creature and an island you control. Draw two cards, then put the chosen permanents on top of their owner's library."

Torchlighter
Jan 15, 2012

I Got Kids. I need this.


So when I think Lands, I think Zendikar. Which means manlands. But I also think about the Warcraft TCG, which had an interesting system where you could play any card in your hand as a resource.They also had a card type called quests, where you could achieve certain goals and get rewards, at which point the quest would turn face down. Making them perfect for resources, since you could use them as a mana dump. It got me to thinking: could we do this in Magic? And thus my entry:



This was originally a colourless land that transformed to make itself a dual land, but I started with the RW version, whose narrative in my head was a defensible position that would be 'tamed' by its users to become a fortress. From there, it made sense to start it as a particular colour. From there, giving it a land type made sense to make it fetchable, and having it enter the battlefield was a solid downside.

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

Being a complete dumbass is my actual shield


It's cool to see so much activity in the competition. I think I should issue a slight clarification on how I'll be judging this since my initial criteria was vague. I did mention "balance", but I didn't say what format I expected it to be balanced for.

You can aim the power level at any commonly played format, so I'll regard a card as "balanced" if I think it can do good but not oppressive things in stuff like Legacy, Modern or Standard. If I think a card could be broken but I'm not sure I'll probably give you the benefit of the doubt if it's only dangerous in shells designed towards the land. I'm a lot less likely to if the land's power mostly arises from it having a very low opportunity cost to the extent that it would end up in almost all on-colour decks (although that might still be OK if I think it would lead to good gameplay).

I will also give some credit for elegant/intuitive designs, although that's not a major focus.

PMush Perfect
Sep 30, 2009

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We have precedent for Land Creatures, for Legendary Lands, for colorless Commanders. Why not do all three at once?

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Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

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Started with just the white one, then figured why not make it a cycle. Development can tweak the max level up or down separately for each card. I deliberately didn't put combat tricks like first strike or deathtouch on any of them because having that as a repeatable hard-to-destroy 0-mana ability would just ruin combat math for the rest of the game. They're much stronger the fewer colors you're running, so how powerful they could safely be would depend on how good their standard's fixing is.

Poison Mushroom posted:



We have precedent for Land Creatures, for Legendary Lands, for colorless Commanders. Why not do all three at once?

Strictly speaking you can't actually play this from your command zone even if it's your commander, but that can be fixed by changing a single word of the comprehensive rules and that change wouldn't have any other unintended consequences. That's a very clever "mana ability" to give an Eldrazi land.


This card is so cool.

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Mad Jaqk
Jun 1, 2013



The timing doesn't work for this to spend the mana on a creature and give it haste, right? That's a shame.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

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Mad Jaqk posted:

The timing doesn't work for this to spend the mana on a creature and give it haste, right? That's a shame.

Yeah, unfortunately it would need to be worded "If that mana is spent on a creature spell, it gains haste until end of turn" to do that, but that would break the cycle's symmetry.

suicidesteve
Jan 4, 2006
DOOM!

Having your land's mana abilities suddenly become counterable is kinda strange. (Yes I know they aren't technically mana abilities.)

Maybe something like

6: Tap: 1

Whenever this land is tapped for mana, you may have up to one target creature gain X until EOT?

Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

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Here's some lands that produce mana in weird ways. Unsure if they quite qualify.



And a modal land!



and a Planeswalker land!



e; Toned Valley down a bit whoops.

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Zoness
Jul 24, 2011

Talk to the hand.

Grimey Drawer



this was only 60% because I wanted to find this image again

Mystic Mongol
Jan 5, 2007



College Slice

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Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

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Zoness posted:



this was only 60% because I wanted to find this image again

Jeez this makes combat hard


lol

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