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Yeah, now that I think about it Asiina's logic does make sense. Day 2 is really swingy regardless, and I don't know that having Survivor around actually makes it worse.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 18:56 |
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Asiina posted:So you'd rather go into 3-man lylo off of a dead survivor which scum and dumb town will gladly jump onto and have nothing to go off of? idk, this conversation is giving us plenty to talk about making the suspect list smaller at the cost of town agency isn't the best sell even you should be able to recognize why a survivor is not always ideal for town
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 18:58 |
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The Lord of Hats posted:Survivor at LYLO is going to want to hammer ASAP, right? So they'd be incentivized just to slam the vote for whoever gets voted first, unlike 2 VT who would at least have deliberation... except that neither of them can really vote either without risking scumhammer. Huh. That's always a risk at LYLO that someone just votes, but you're basically saying that you're willing to give up a day where you know you will not lynch scum to have a modestly better shot the next day, except as I said, it's super easy for everyone to justify a 3P vote so you don't actually have a better shot.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 18:58 |
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asiina stop making bad faith arguments like, i get you're a 3p but you don't have to be a dingus about it
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:00 |
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:idk, this conversation is giving us plenty to talk about I'm not talking about always ideal. I'm talking about this particular game of 5 people with 3 VT, 1 Survivor, and 1 Scum. It's better for everyone's wincon for the survivor to claim than to not claim.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:00 |
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this game is zero sum it can literally not be better for everybody
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:01 |
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:asiina stop making bad faith arguments I'm not. If you lynch me today, what do you get out of it tomorrow? You have 2 VT and 1 Scum. What have you learned? Yes if we don't get scum today then you're putting your faith in my hands, and I get why that's scary, but so is going into a completely blind 3-man LYLO, so let's at least try on D1 when you can narrow it down to 4 people and 2 town have to screw up instead of just 1 if you lynch me.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:02 |
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I'm inclined to believe Asiina, because if nothing else this is generating way more productive conversation than we would have had with no claim, and I think that having any kind of data point to work off of is useful. Dongsbot has been completely absent. I dunno what lurker lynches are gonna be like in this format.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:02 |
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Here is my one woman play where I attempt to convince two competing sides that what I'm doing is best for them *winks at camera* it's really what's best for me
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:03 |
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:this game is zero sum it can literally not be better for everybody Fine, maybe not better, but helpful? It gives useful information to all involved. It helps me not get NK'd. It helps scum know who to NK. It helps town know at least one person who isn't scum.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:04 |
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:Here is my one woman play where I attempt to convince two competing sides that what I'm doing is best for them *winks at camera* it's really what's best for me All of these things can be true.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:04 |
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The Lord of Hats posted:I'm inclined to believe Asiina, because if nothing else this is generating way more productive conversation than we would have had with no claim, and I think that having any kind of data point to work off of is useful. don't get me wrong this conversation is very good, I find it easiest to get reads when everybody has to take a side and justify it but also asiina is incredibly biased in what she thinks should be the right outcome
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:05 |
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:this game is zero sum it can literally not be better for everybody It's not actual net gains necessarily, but everyone gets some kind of benefit? I think the order is that Survivor gains more than Town gains more than Scum, so Scum's getting the short end of the stick.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:05 |
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I think Hats is probably scum because as soon as I said that this was a scummy push he immediately changed his mind.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:05 |
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The Lord of Hats posted:It's not actual net gains necessarily, but everyone gets some kind of benefit? I think the order is that Survivor gains more than Town gains more than Scum, so Scum's getting the short end of the stick. Yeah, if you take it at face value, but also Asiina posted:Yes if we don't get scum today then you're putting your faith in my hands
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:07 |
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Asiina posted:I think Hats is probably scum because as soon as I said that this was a scummy push he immediately changed his mind. it's possible
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:07 |
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Asiina posted:I think Hats is probably scum because as soon as I said that this was a scummy push he immediately changed his mind. I've made all of like one post suggesting having a survivor day 2 would be bad, the rest is me working the logic out. I don't see where I really changed my mind on anything.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:08 |
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but yeah if we played like what asiina is suggesting every time, then it just essentially is going to come down to who the survivor likes more 75% of the time
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:08 |
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Don't you trust me, MMM?
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:09 |
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Also the OP says that's the setup for this game, it may not be like this next game. Honestly, I'm just trying something out to see if it works cause it's a small fast game. I think my logic is sound.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:10 |
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##vote asiina cya d2
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:10 |
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Cool. 3 dumb town and a scum.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:11 |
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:but yeah if we played like what asiina is suggesting every time, then it just essentially is going to come down to who the survivor likes more 75% of the time Like say survivor picks randomly, since there's no reason for them to not do that, town win about 63% of the time, but it's always a dice roll and town literally have no control over who wins
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:11 |
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##unvote
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:11 |
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i havent read my role pm but id rather be in a 3 player lylo with two town and one scum then a 3 player lylo with one town one scum and one survivor
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:11 |
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than
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:12 |
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:it's possible Alright, so right now, I'd say we have four candidates for scum, because I think Asiina's claim holds up. Me: I changed my musings about the Survivor's role in this, but I wasn't particularly committed. I can see how this is suspicious. MMM: Pushing a Survivor lynch. I could see this either way. Glowku: Dropped a random vote on me, made a couple minor comments agreeing with MMM, otherwise inactive. Dongsbot: Completely MIA.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:12 |
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Asiina posted:I think my logic is sound. it is I think it stinks on another level and there's no need to call everybody else dumb for not following it Asiina posted:Don't you trust me, MMM?
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:13 |
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i think its glowku fwiw but i havent read anything on p2 and only skimmed p1
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:13 |
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The Lord of Hats posted:Alright, so right now, I'd say we have four candidates for scum, because I think Asiina's claim holds up. great post
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:13 |
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And there's Dongsbot making my post wrong, so hey. I should type faster.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:13 |
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dongsbot 9000 posted:i think its glowku fwiw but i havent read anything on p2 and only skimmed p1
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:13 |
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:great post sorry, this was rude
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:14 |
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:it is I was joking about the trust thing. I just meant that saying "lol survivor claim vote 3P! 3P is bad!" is dumb because it doesn't actually think about the setup at all.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:14 |
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Asiina posted:I was joking about the trust thing. I feel like I've thought about this setup
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:15 |
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I also agree it could be Glowku. Like I was really hoping only one person would go after the survivor thing, but since everyone has done it, that's annoying cause I was hoping to suss out scum D1.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:15 |
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Asiina posted:I also agree it could be Glowku. wow you really must be playing on town's side! maybe we should be careful about voting this one
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:16 |
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:I feel like I've thought about this setup You have now, but your original posts didn't sound like that, and things like dongs posting and glowku's posting sound frivolous.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:16 |
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Votecount for Day 1 Asiina (1): MMM Whatchya Say, dongsbot 9000, The Lord of Hats (1): Mayor Glowku Not Voting (3): Asiina, MMM Whatchya Say, The Lord of Hats With 5 alive, it's 3 votes to lynch. The current deadline is September 14th, 2016 at 2:40 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 21 minutes.
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 19:18 |
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dongsbot 9000 posted:but i won't subscribe or read my pms for this first game
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