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History is cool as long as you learn about men hitting each other with pointy sticks or shooting each other or trying to find the best and most creative ways to hit each other with pointy sticks or shoot each other. It gets less cool when you learn more about old men with flaccid dicks hunched over a desk telling their peers about the best way to run a country.
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Sep 16, 2016 16:19
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You probably just had terrible teachers. Forget about learning specific dates, just care about roughly knowing when something happened. Treat it more like a story than just sitting there memorizing facts like 'first this happened, then this happened, then this happened...' Our textbooks are garbage really and take anything interesting out of history, too. It's more interesting when you learn about how various historical figures were actually human pieces of poo poo just like anyone else. There's something to relate to. Anyway the Mongols were cool and yeah they had the biggest empire by land mass but it all pretty much collapsed within 50 years so whatever. The Roman dominion lasted nearly 2000. EorayMel posted:It gets less cool when you learn more about old men with flaccid dicks hunched over a desk telling their peers about the best way to run a country. Yeah this is just terrible teachers, really. Nothing was ever that sterile and boring; dudes were getting thrown out of windows and having red hot pokers shoved up their asses.
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Sep 16, 2016 16:21
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Eh, social, political, and cultural history can be way more fun than military history if it is done right.
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Sep 16, 2016 16:30
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How is learning about history going to teach me to program a computer you idiot? Let's focus on what is important.
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Sep 16, 2016 16:30
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NomChompsky posted:Eh, social, political, and cultural history can be way more fun than military history if it is done right. It's more interesting honestly, unless you're interested in military tactics/strategy or something. The socio-political side of almost any war is more interesting than the actual "then 5000 men went here and sieged this duchy for 2 years before it finally fell and then they fought in such and such battle where X of them died." To me the only real interesting thing about military history is when one side was out-teched by another, Charge of the Light Brigade style. The first exploding cannon balls hitting wood ships was cool, too. Roylicious fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Sep 16, 2016 |
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Sep 16, 2016 16:34
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Gonna sperg here for a sec. Charge of the light brigade wasn't an outteching. It was more an communication fuckup. General X saw a lightly defended artillery line and he sent light calvary to make sure the Russians couldn't drag the artillery away or reuse it. Light calvary were perfectly capable of doing this. The order was then sent to the commander at the front. The commander at the front couldn't see the lightly defended ridge due to the terrain. But he could see another heavily defended ridge with a shitton of soldiers and artillery on it. And orders were orders.....the commander knew it was gonna be really bad and led them but still.... The General saw the fuckup but he couldn't get a message recalling them in time. They did actually reach the ridge and took parts of it but they got pretty hosed up and had to retreat. Big fiasco.
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Sep 16, 2016 16:40
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I've always thought the way history is taught in school is wrong. We're taught political history mostly, and that's the what people think of whenever someone says "history". History is really just a story. It's the story of what happened before, and how we got to where we stand today. In its broadest interpretation, it can be applied to anything. The way it should be taught is to encourage students to study the history of subjects they find interesting. Take whatever you're interested in, be it cars, fashion, sports, or whatever, and learn about how it used to be. What did things used to look like, and how did we get from THEN to NOW. Then you'll see that history is hugely fascinating, because it's personal and relevant to you. And the information gathering/processing skills you pick up can be used to learn about anything. It's super effective!
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Sep 16, 2016 16:41
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Serious Frolicking posted:history is cool because it makes it clear that nostalgia is a lie and the good old days were just as lovely as the present The old days sucked rear end. Bunch of weirdos with beards eating bread and poo poo. IT SUCKS.
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Sep 16, 2016 16:48
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wait, how did people game if there weren't doritos?
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Sep 16, 2016 16:50
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Mozi posted:wait, how did people game if there weren't doritos? In the old days nasty old combs of beeswax were the Doritos.
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Sep 16, 2016 16:52
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*crunch crunch* i dunno about this new 'dead bee' flavor
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Sep 16, 2016 16:53
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Back then: You'd smoke, drink, and play cards. Then you'd stab the other dude for cheating. Today: You vape, drink mt. dew, and play halo. Then you report the dude to xbox with "a cheating human being" as the report reason.
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Sep 16, 2016 16:54
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lonesomedwarf posted:did you know that. czar and tsar come freom the word caesar its true. i think e: [quote="Roylicious" post=""464326356"] Our textbooks are garbage really and take anything interesting out of history, too. [/quote] And they feed it to us really slowly. Flyball fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Sep 16, 2016 |
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Sep 16, 2016 16:57
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Also a bunch of places called themselves the "Roman Empire" after Rome fell because it gave them legitimacy. And most places adopted styles and customs as much as possible because it was seen as "civilized". The Holy Roman Empire existed until the 1870s when it became Germany.
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Sep 16, 2016 17:00
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The 1st Reich was traditional Rome. The 2nd Reich was the Holy Roman Empire. And the 3rd Reich was tragically snuffed out in its prime by some top tier level cyberbullying by the Allies to make Hitler commit suicide.
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Sep 16, 2016 17:01
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Brewmaster posted:I've always thought the way history is taught in school is wrong. We're taught political history mostly, and that's the what people think of whenever someone says "history". your teacher had better have a good handle on philosophy of history or that class is going to teach you the square root of gently caress all.
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Sep 16, 2016 17:13
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seriously if you're not teaching pure philosophy you have to get into the content which means the person teaching it has to know something about that content. there's lots of history though so people tend to specialise e: this is why you shouldn't trust any book claiming to be a history of the world
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Sep 16, 2016 17:14
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we should teach more herstory, in my humble opinion!
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Sep 16, 2016 17:17
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SweetKarma posted:History nerds help me out here. I hate history. Why should I care about a bunch of olds? Yeah! You conquered a thing and the peasants revolted and there were treaties and poo poo. carpe diem?
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Sep 16, 2016 17:38
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Brewmaster posted:I've always thought the way history is taught in school is wrong. We're taught political history mostly, and that's the what people think of whenever someone says "history". History education should focus on three or four very limited periods (~50 years) of time to teach deep analysis. Ideally at least two should be internationally oriented to provide perspective. But American education is a decentralized mess with no standards so who cares, nothing's happening.
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Sep 16, 2016 17:39
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Mozi posted:we should teach more herstory, in my humble opinion! My 8th grade teacher did this and even called it "herstory". It was always some hilarious poo poo like: This guy prosecuted a war against the strongest empire ever and this guy wrote a legal document that will be used as a basis for countless countries today. This lady brought soldiers water. Most of you know who that lady who brought people water was off the top of your head. Because there was nobody else to bring up. Human societies are primarily patriarchal so most important events involved just men. It doesn't mean women are unimportant its just a sad fact of history. You don't need to shoehorn in embarrassing poo poo like that.
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Sep 16, 2016 17:52
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Also every schoolchild knows George Washington Carver invented the peanut for some reason. But he hosed up and missed peanutbutter somehow.
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Sep 16, 2016 17:55
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There's plenty of cool women to teach about but yeah they were usually doing their own thing not easily tied into the US high school curriculum... but even those exist outside of the few token examples like water bearers. When talking about Paul Revere there's no reason not to mention Sybil Ludington, who rode twice as far to warn US militias of incoming British regulars at age 16. And I had 2-3 classes do 'Civil Rights Period' (even my English classes for whatever reason) but no one ever mentioned Wilma Rudolph. Or while doing the Civil War why not talk about Mary Bowser, a former slave and Union spy right in the Confederate White House? Surely that's more interesting than 'this woman gave the soldiers water.' So idk yeah things were definitely patriarchal and it is true that for that reason most of the historical figures are men but women definitely did stuff and they are definitely ignored in the curriculum. Roylicious fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Sep 16, 2016 |
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Sep 16, 2016 18:01
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Maybe because its boring and completely unrelated to any sort of big picture understanding.
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Sep 16, 2016 18:03
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satanic splash-back posted:Maybe because its boring and completely unrelated to any sort of big picture understanding. But I'm saying instead of shoehorning in some unrelated token thing they could actually talk about something real. I'm not sure how Mary Bowser is completely unrelated to the Civil War considering General Grant himself mentioned how valuable her spy ring was. She was in Jefferson Davis' house ffs surely she is more relevant than the woman who gave water to soldiers.
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Sep 16, 2016 18:07
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my big picture is a giant portrait of trump next to a bald eagle crashing into the twin towers
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Sep 16, 2016 18:08
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Vegetable posted:High school teachers aren't remotely qualified to teach so broadly. That's true. I'm a big time history geek, so it makes me sad how poorly history is taught. I think, like most subjects, having a good teacher can make a world of difference.
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Sep 16, 2016 18:09
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they need to make history but ike its porn too like you get to see some sweet t!tt!3z but first you gotta sit through them talking about the phoenicians and poo poo for a while
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Sep 16, 2016 18:10
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Nooner posted:they need to make history but ike its porn too like you get to see some sweet t!tt!3z but first you gotta sit through them talking about the phoenicians and poo poo for a while nws? http://i.imgur.com/oRr2aJf.jpg?1
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Sep 16, 2016 18:14
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Or just freakin read Hark, a Vagrant by Kate Beaton. 
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Sep 16, 2016 18:20
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skander posted:And Kaiser. The Caesar started out as someone's family name. You've made an impression on the world when your family name becomes the word for emperor in multiple languages. Also when two months get named after a father and son from the same family.
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Sep 16, 2016 18:22
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Yo Let me give yall a history lesson real quick. It's gone be gooooooooooooooooooooood. On June 12, 1843 Captain John G. Shalinsky was living in Vaginayacha, Russia. He was the captain of the Russian naval base Stensikovorovliski. A bunch of guys under his command killed him because he --- get this --- didn't sign the treaty of Stalingarnich in 1822. It was crazy. Once he was dead a guy named Tardis assumed command of the naval base and everything was good. The End. Make sure you study for the test tomorrow. Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Bareback Werewolf fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Sep 16, 2016 |
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Sep 16, 2016 18:28
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haha his name was Tard
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Sep 16, 2016 18:31
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Cigstomper58 posted:haha his name was Tard
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Sep 16, 2016 18:31
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Kuato posted:Those who don't learn their own history are doomed to repeat it OP. I'm doomed to repeat it? Good. Seems to me that if you really loved history, you would refuse to learn it, so that you could experience it firsthand.
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Sep 16, 2016 18:37
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Cigstomper58 posted:The 1st Reich was traditional Rome. The 2nd Reich was the Holy Roman Empire. And the 3rd Reich was tragically snuffed out in its prime by some top tier level cyberbullying by the Allies to make Hitler commit suicide. Lol nope 'traditional Rome' was still around by the time the HRE was formed (Eastern Roman Empire, what we call the Byzantine Empire today) so 1st Reich was HRE, 2nd was the German Empire (the one w/ Kaiser Wilhelm) and 3rd was Nazis. I really am a tremendous prick.
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Sep 16, 2016 18:48
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KomodoWagon posted:Lol nope 'traditional Rome' was still around by the time the HRE was formed (Eastern Roman Empire, what we call the Byzantine Empire today) so 1st Reich was HRE, 2nd was the German Empire (the one w/ Kaiser Wilhelm) and 3rd was Nazis. I really am a tremendous prick. You will regret contradicting me on the internet.
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Sep 16, 2016 18:53
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they should have named the reichs 1 2 and 4 and then everybody would still be looking for the nazis
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Sep 16, 2016 18:59
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SweetKarma posted:Yo Let me give yall a history lesson real quick. It's gone be gooooooooooooooooooooood. Cambyses army was buried in a giant sandstorm aka your pussy
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Quintilius Lowtax, give me back my posters!
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