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The biggest problems with RAW seem to be the creative. They have not figured out how to manage a 3 hour show. If the creative was at least by the numbers and at least neutral I think you would see a little less hate on some of the usual darlings. Same thing happened with Sasha. She was loved here for a long time and then almost overnight there was a lot of naysaying. I wouldn't be surprised if you see the same thing for Bayley or frankly anyone who comes out of NXT and onto Raw.
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Working a crowd as a heel is so foreign in wwe today. When's the last time you've seen a guy really work a crowd as a heel. Jericho is one of the few people who does it during promos, but even during matches he doesn't seem to do it very much. Not to mention it feels like half the time faces are told to wrestle like heels in wwe. They really don't know what they want as a company. It isn't the wrestlers faults though it is all wwe.
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Super Ninja Fish posted:I was watching some Austin 96 on the network. When Austin got cheers, he got on a mic and said something like "What the hell are you so happy about? You didn't do anything for me. I don't give a rat's rear end about any of you!" This is literally what Kevin Owens did the week after he won. "You chanted 'You Deserve It.' Of course I deserve it, but that was just you trying to hi-jack my moment."
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Sep 20, 2016 20:27
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Wrestlers work the crowd, Sports Entertainers are above such antics. You don't see Brad Pitt suddenly start talking to the audience during his movies do you?
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jackofarcades posted:This is literally what Kevin Owens did the week after he won. "You chanted 'You Deserve It.' Of course I deserve it, but that was just you trying to hi-jack my moment." You're right, I forgot about that. People still don't hate him though, maybe he needs to do a lot more of that. Jericho was getting mugged in parking lots 8 years ago people believed he was an rear end in a top hat so hard.
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Sep 20, 2016 20:47
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Super Ninja Fish posted:You're right, I forgot about that. People still don't hate him though, maybe he needs to do a lot more of that. People don't hate him because the guy they are supposed to cheer is loving Roman Reigns.
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Sep 20, 2016 20:51
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The_Rob posted:Working a crowd as a heel is so foreign in wwe today. When's the last time you've seen a guy really work a crowd as a heel. the miz
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Ostentatious posted:the miz You're absolutely right and because of that he is always over as a heel.
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Watching Raw now, from what I'm seeing, Rusev is basically the Bray Wyatt of Raw, right? Hes got a championship, but he should be way higher on the card due to his skill on the mic and in the ring.
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Sep 20, 2016 20:54
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Calling Rusev the Bray Wyatt of RAW is an insult to Rusev.
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Trips' "Triple H is the GOAT" hype package pre-WM30 was incredible heeling that worked exactly the way it was supposed to
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Sep 20, 2016 20:55
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Alain Post posted:Calling Rusev the Bray Wyatt of RAW is an insult to Rusev. Maybe I'm just a Wyatt mark? They both seem to be the total package to me, the same way Owens is.
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Sep 20, 2016 20:59
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rusev actually wins matches
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Bray Wyatt comes out and talks about spiders for 90 minutes and gets owned, Rusev breaks fools at the command of his hot wife
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Sep 20, 2016 21:02
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only temporary posted:Maybe I'm just a Wyatt mark? They both seem to be the total package to me, the same way Owens is. the total package in that family is bo dallas but wwe doesn't realize it yet. i bo-lieve!
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Sep 20, 2016 21:05
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8p: 2.73 Million 9p: 2.69 Million 10p: 2.63 Million
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Sep 20, 2016 21:06
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The closest Bray will get to holding a title is by kicking the champ's rear end and raising the belt to start the feud, before getting his rear end kicked for the following 5 weeks including in Youtube-exclusive segments
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Sep 20, 2016 21:06
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Chris James 2 posted:Waiting all day for that rating Vertical Lime posted:8p: 2.73 Million 
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Sep 20, 2016 21:07
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Aye Doc posted:the total package in that family is bo dallas but wwe doesn't realize it yet. i bo-lieve! Bo SHOULD be solid midcard with his skill, but he works really well as the comedy jobber.
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Sep 20, 2016 21:08
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Find more in life
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Efexeye posted:tough poo poo vkm, if you want mainstream recognition, be prepared for mainstream criticism If you watched the Stone Cold Podcast you would know Vince listens to the fans, not the critics. Vertical Lime posted:8p: 2.73 Million Whoops.
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Aye Doc posted:the total package in that family is bo dallas but wwe doesn't realize it yet. i bo-lieve! Also forgot to make the Luke Harper Family joke
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and remember, next week the hall of famer is gonna kill them
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Sep 20, 2016 21:11
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Vertical Lime posted:8p: 2.73 Million Cruiserweight are (cruiser)weighing down the WWE Brand, time to sink it
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Sep 20, 2016 21:11
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whoof enjoy the cruiserweights while they last
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Sep 20, 2016 21:11
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Germany is dropping Raw due to low ratings, deal ends in March
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Chris James 2 posted:Germany is dropping Raw due to low ratings, deal ends in March Time to give Braun Stroman that nazi gimmick
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Chris James 2 posted:Germany is dropping Raw due to low ratings, deal ends in March lmao
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Vertical Lime posted:8p: 2.73 Million Hey now, that means their average is pretty much the same as last week, and there was no significant dropoff for the 3rd hour. Clearly proving that Roman Reigns is enough of a draw to even overcome the blandness of those vanilla midgets in the Cruiserweight division. Push Roman Reigns to the moon! That felt so wrong to type. Edit: Chris James 2 posted:Germany is dropping Raw due to low ratings, deal ends in March It wasn't until a couple of days ago that I actually found out Raw was airing in Germany these days. Doesn't help that Tele 5 is just a random channel that many people haven't even heard about and those that know it don't give a poo poo about it.
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Chris James 2 posted:Germany is dropping Raw due to low ratings, deal ends in March Good.
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Sep 20, 2016 21:15
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Clearly, Raw can't draw ratings without AJ STYLES carrying the brand
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mnf was a 7-9 eagles browns game for 3 quarters and raw took a poo poo and died still
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I want to believe that raw getting cancelled somewhere would make them start changing things up but then I remember it's wwe.
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The_Rob posted:I want to believe that raw getting cancelled somewhere would make them start changing things up but then I remember it's wwe. Raw being Network exclusive in a country, you would think, would be the start of something In reality if it happened in the US they'd be hosed in impressive fashion
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Minidust posted:It's kinda alarming, because one can safely assume that they're trying hard to legitimize the brand new shiny championship on the flagship show. And this is what they come up with. This is the kind of spite-booking I was expecting for Smackdown's title scene but nope. I guarantee you that in Vince's mind the US title is the main event belt and the Universal is midcard, and it's all because we rejected Roman. Raw has no title, Rusev goes on a rant about how he has the main title and he's the champion, so they put Rusev in a Raw main event to defend it. Later they introduce the Universal title, give it to a respected yet relative newcomer from outside WWE in Balor. Meanwhile at Summerslam the US title segment is positioned on the card right before the inaugural Universal title match and above Smackdown's WWE title. Balor gets injured immediately so the belt is hotshotted and hand-delivered to Owens, another respected yet relative newcomer from outside WWE. Roman then soundly beats Owens non-title for no reason, and gets to fight for and probably win the US title on the PPV. Vince has already positioned it so Roman has what he thinks is the main title, and we just accept it because we think it's midcard.
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Germansimp posted:Hey now, that means their average is pretty much the same as last week, and there was no significant dropoff for the 3rd hour. Clearly proving that Roman Reigns is enough of a draw to even overcome the blandness of those vanilla midgets in the Cruiserweight division. Push Roman Reigns to the moon! i want it to turn out that roman is actually a huge draw and has a massive fanbase that is outside of the wrestling fandom, but they've ping-ponged him to look so inconsistent and weak that it killed their desire to see him. roman reigns being the hero wwe needed but the one that they sabotaged would rule
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The_Rob posted:I want to believe that raw getting cancelled somewhere would make them start changing things up but then I remember it's wwe.
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Owens is going to have a poo poo title run since WWE is incapable of making a strong heel champion when it's the heel's first run. His second run might be alright.
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This forum is so loving stupid. That is a humdinger of a bad rating but why would anyone be happy about it unless they want Vince to be proven right in any lovely opinion he's ever held?
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We just need HHH.
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