Blurred posted:

Cythereal posted:

Schism.

Keromaru5 posted:

And co-producing My Big Fat Greek Wedding.

Also, something I thought the thread would like:
https://twitter.com/CarolineWazer/status/783346974217084929

Lutha Mahtin posted:

My dad is an ELCA pastor I grew up in it

One of the basic differences is that the Missouri and Wisconsin Synod denominations are much more conservative/reactionary. They follow a lot more the modern "literal" interpretations of the Bible. They deny women full equal membership and authority within the church. They base a lot of their exclusionary practices upon the "fact" that, for example, the Book of Concord doesn't say anything about gays, ergo, we can demonize gays all we want.

The Phlegmatist posted:

You guys are barely even Protestant.

Pellisworth posted:

Maybe it was different for other Midwesterners (Lutha Mahtin, Worthleast, Jedi Knight Luigi, others?) but I never felt religion was remotely a social dividing line. I mean, Catholics were sort of their own thing but it wasn't significant.

my dad posted:

The issue here is that the neighbors are going to start showing up with burning crosses at some people's lawns.

Caufman posted:

Martyrdom is a legitimate and possible conclusion to any believer's mortal life.

It is perfectly okay to wish for the cup to pass over you; it is appropriate to ask God to deliver you from evil. Uncounted numbers of people decide to follow a path of righteousness that leads them into harm's way. My prayers are with these people, especially when I'm not standing next to them as they catch hell.

The Phlegmatist posted:

Clinton would have won if her or her team actually engaged in dialogue with the fractured Christian Right. I've never seen so many evangelical pastoral leaders denounce a Republican candidate before, but the evangelical voters all turned out in record numbers to vote for Trump anyway.

Lutha Mahtin posted:

all this morning, i can't stop thinking of the old groaner "God sure does have a sense of humor". a couple of the times after thinking this, i have even chuckled a little

i am on the skeptical side when it comes to the mystical power of prayer, and i still don't know how to even begin to articulate what i mean when i say that i believe in "God" or "a higher power". but i just said a genuine prayer right now for God to be with donald j trump, and to be with everyone in america. i pray that God be with everyone who is sad or scared. i pray that God be with everyone who is triumphant and feels the power of victory. and i especially pray that God be with those who feel that the anxiety or hate in their heart has now been validated.

now on that last sentence, when i wrote it i was thinking about flaming crosses and mosques doused in pig blood. but after i typed it out, i realize it applies to me too. this election has in some ways grown the anxiety and fear in my heart about how many of my brothers and sisters in this country cling to prejudiced and hateful views of people based on things like gender, color, and religion. but if i grasp ever tighter to these fears of mine, i will probably just perpetuate this cycle of paranoia and anger. division will not heal division

Deteriorata posted:

Not in my experience. The Christian Right is generally Right first, Christian second.

They were never going to vote for Hillary, they just needed to invent the proper justifications for voting Trump.

Clinton would have won if more Democrats had simply shown up. Turnout was the lowest since 2000. Those that stayed home effectively elected Trump.

Deteriorata posted:

And my point is that no, they wouldn't. They'd just invent different reasons for hating Bernie.

Deteriorata posted:

Because he's a Democrat. Remember they're right first, christian second. The latter is the servant of the former.

Their hatemongering doesn't have to based on anything true or meaningful. Don't be naive.

/end political chat

Arsenic Lupin posted:

Guys, there are topics we've historically avoided in this thread to avoid unresolvable antagonism. I think election analysis, as opposed to election grieving/joy, maybe doesn't belong in this thread? Although maybe this thread is all left-wing voters, I don't know?

Arsenic Lupin posted:

Longsuffering totally is, and I am in despair today. I was more thinking of "The Democrats would have won if X", which is not a religious topic. But I'll abide by the consensus of the thread.

Lutha Mahtin posted:

i did, i was sitting in an actual locked room (pooping ) when the feeling came over me to pray. as i sat there i had a thought about how feelings of anger and self-righteousness are not going to change the election, and they aren't going to get many people to treat their political "opponents" more nicely. im just trying to share my confused feelings with some people who often have good insights, ok

Apocron posted:

Arsenic Lupin posted:

Could I ask your prayers, for tam-nonlinear? She committed suicide yesterday in despair over the upcoming loss of her health care. (The details are from Elizabeth Bear -- matociquala -- Twitter.) http://tam-nonlinear.tumblr.com/

twerking on the railroad posted:

Yo Christian goons. I can't believe I had to do it but somebody claimed that Trump was somehow a Christian choice and I had say something. Please seek these people out, because even if big name evangelicals came out against Trump there are still some people who think that God is just behind anyone with an (R) after their name. Please point out... literally almost anything that Jesus is recorded as saying. It's one thing to talk about a guy like Romney or Bush not really getting the message of the Gospels. It's quite another to pick fights with the Pope and be in more-or-less open defiance of the book you can find in just about every house in America.

Now of course there are lots of people who feel the ends justify the means on abortion - don't give anyone the satisfaction of saying the word, just play this for them and point out that Trump might not be such a great friend: https://my.mixtape.moe/qwdohl.webm

I think that we as Christians have dropped the ball on this one. Any possible association of Trump with Jesus needed to be shot down, and maybe I personally didn't just because I didn't think anyone seriously believed it. Or maybe I didn't feel like I was a good enough Christian to go seeking out that conversation. Well they do and that needs to be fixed. And you don't need to be a good Christian or even a Christian at all to go to the Jesus wikiquote page.

shame on an IGA posted:

The procedural t-shirt generation algorithm strikes gold:

http://www.idakoos.com/calvinist-by-choice,929927

Lutha Mahtin posted:

i was named after a character in the hebrew scriptures but i will look into what saints there are for computermans and direct support staffs

Bolocko posted:

TIL Andy Warhol was a practicing Eastern Catholic.

https://homodoxconfessions.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/bl-andrew-warhola-fool-for-christ/

HEY GAL posted:

This is exactly what Jesus tells us to do!

Lutha Mahtin posted:

in less news i went to an episcopal service last sunday. i plan to poast more later but its highly more relevant to share this dumb photo i took of United States Interstate 94 a week or 2 back:



um ok so it's an american highway wasteland, great. but....



uhhhhh so there's a billboard. congrats. except



oh hi

SirPhoebos posted:

After reading this thread, I now slightly regret not playing through FFXIV: Heavansward looking like catboy Martin Luther

The Phlegmatist posted:

Well, Kung's been barred from teaching since the 60s so he's not really in good standing.

This had little to do with reconciliation of Lutheran and Catholic theology regarding the doctrine of justification and more to do with the fact that Kung denied papal infallibility. Kung's got some big balls attacking both Karl Barth and the fuckin' pope.

quote:

Here ve haff da luffly Barth family, Karl mit Charlotte, und Kinder, und Frau Barth way over on da outside right. Das machen me schniffle ein bischen. Zo touching und varm. Der kleine Hans hat two mommies - eine Hausfrau und eine va-va-voom Commie. [Translated into German to keep the caption G-rated.]"

The Phlegmatist posted:

What kind of horrifying strain of Lutheranism thinks WELS is too liberal? Sheesh.

Pellisworth posted:

it's always good to see the proud tradition of Lutheran shitposting continues (referring to the blog and not your post)

Are there seriously groups within American Lutheranism who dispute the idea that Jesus' death on the cross provided justification for all humans (who only need to accept it through faith)? Because for me that seems to dive way deep into the rabbit hole of Calvinism, but I dunno.

I don't mean that question as a jab against JKL or anyone else, again this is a thread about learning from viewpoints different than yours and posting silly hats. Justification by faith alone seems to tread into Arminianism where your personal choice plays a role in salvation.

e: I guess my understanding of Lutheran theology is that justification is offered to all people as a result of Jesus' sacrifice and God's grace, all you have to do is accept that gift via faith.

HEY GAL posted:

nobody will persuade me that Jude loving Law in dark makeup is an italian

edit: countfosco, you are aware that someone can be imperfect or villainous without being satanic, right?

Bel_Canto posted:

Can we institute a worldwide ban on decontextualized Bible citations? I've seen several pop up on my Facebook feed over the past week, and it seems to me to be the height of insufferable, insular Christian virtue signaling. it's entirely legitimate to want to share a passage of scripture that's touched you, but holy poo poo at least do your audience the courtesy of writing it out rather than making them do the work of looking it up. It's like the Christian version of posting sad song lyrics after your breakup.

Smoking Crow posted:

http://babylonbee.com/news/youth-pastor-prepares-message-jesus-real-rogue-one/

Senju Kannon posted:

you're a fuckin adulterer who thinks gay people should be celibate

but that's none of my business