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I've been enjoying this season, and while Fiona is being a bitch about it, she has several points about what she's sacrificed to help the family and that maybe Lip should take a turn. It's also a breath of freah air to be four episodes in and have her plotline have zero to do with boy troubles. She may be a pretty awful person, but the character has always been consistent to me and Emmy Rossum being talented as gently caress has helped in keeping her believable to me from day one. Debbie is the worst, like so bad I can't even put in the effort to be disappointed in where her character went, even if some of it made sense to me. Carl continues to get better each year. Lip I am honestly most tired of. Ian's character has been floundering for a while, especially since Mickey left, and I still don't think Monaghan can act. Frank is Frank. Svetlana is the best. Also, I really appreciate Emmy Rossum's new and improved Bulma hair. e: also i guess fiona's storyline still has stuff to do w/ relationship troubles w/r/t throwing herself into work to avoid not only her family but the whole sean thing, but you know what I mean esperterra fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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Actually Fiona has no excuse at all for being the guardian of two children and telling those children to move her to the bottom of their emergency contact list. She does not even have the excuse that it was an unexpected pregnancy she volunteered for the job. Furthermore her apparent disgust at the fact that Debbie would not get an abortion is disturbing and gross. Her fiance left her her best friend wants nothing to do with her and now she runs an illegal bar. She is toxic and pathetic. Good character and great actress though. If I knew her in real life I would sever all contact with her however. Lip is kind of annoying but Carl is awesome and I like the cop he hangs with, those two are a great pair. Kev/V/Svetlana are the best part of the show now imo. EVIL NOONER fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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Oct 25, 2016 10:12
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I want the season to end with Debbie killing Fiona for being such a tremendous rear end in a top hat.
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Oct 25, 2016 10:24
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EVIL NOONER posted:She is toxic and pathetic. I don't disagree with this at all. I wasn't saying she had any excuse or that she's going about it the right way, just that she's got a point about everyone being old enough to pull some weight. Tho I do think Lip needs to help out more, whether she's the legal guardian or not. Especially now that he isn't in school any more. It would be another matter if he was planning on going back. Her taking that responsibility is a big deal, but it was also a desperation move to keep everyone out of foster care way back when. Girl needs some space and and a break, and (I think) deserves it, but she's doing it in grand Gallagher fashion instead of asking nicely. How pathetic and messed up Fiona is is one of the best things about the character imo. Svetlana needs more and more screentime forever. e: words kept appearing even when i was done esperterra fucked around with this message at 10:49 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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Oct 25, 2016 10:38
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Given Carl's gun/shuriken skills this episode, they should end the show by having him don a mask and start cleaning up the streets at night, thus laying the groundwork for a spinoff.
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Oct 25, 2016 12:22
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MiddleOne posted:I want the season to end with Debbie and Fiona killing eachother for being such tremendous assholes. FTFY. I did like how Debbie was getting poo poo on this episode. Serves her right for being a dumb gently caress at life. And now she needs to come to terms with "I hosed up and had a kid when I shouldn't have and have to deal with what comes with it". No sympathy for her what soever. Fiona needs to cut lip some slack at this moment because he could actually do something with his life and take care of them. Did you guys watch the scene with his professor? Now is not the time to make him act like a dad.
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Oct 25, 2016 15:51
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esperterra posted:I've been enjoying this season, and while Fiona is being a bitch about it, she has several points about what she's sacrificed to help the family and that maybe Lip should take a turn. It's also a breath of freah air to be four episodes in and have her plotline have zero to do with boy troubles. She may be a pretty awful person, but the character has always been consistent to me and Emmy Rossum being talented as gently caress has helped in keeping her believable to me from day one. Huh, reading the thread i surprised people are so anti-fiona in this. She essentially gave up her life to take care of the kids. She dropped out of school where its hinted that while she wasn't Lip level genious was reasonably smart and may have been able to get a track scholarship as well. She's always rebelled against the way her life turned out, previously with bad relationship choices and drugs, but now she's taking charge in what she sees at the best possible direction. Granted, she's still kind of an awful and breaking all sorts of laws in running her business, but i still see it as a step in the right direction. Also how old is debbie and how old is fiona when she had to drop everything? those two ages must be reasonably close. Fiona must have a huge subconscious axe to grind when she gave up everything at Debbies age. Lastly, Lip is at the cusp of greatness for sure. But he's been at the cusp of greatness for several seasons now. Fiona's cut him slack for his entire life and all he's done with it is become an alcoholic, college dropout working an internship for free in her eyes. I'm totally okay with her going, "me first" for once.
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Oct 25, 2016 16:09
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CalvinandHobbes posted:Also how old is debbie and how old is fiona when she had to drop everything? those two ages must be reasonably close. Fiona must have a huge subconscious axe to grind when she gave up everything at Debbies age. The ages on this show have never been totally consistent but if Carl is 16 (as stated during this season) than Debbie is probably 17.
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Oct 25, 2016 16:20
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CalvinandHobbes posted:Huh, reading the thread i surprised people are so anti-fiona in this. She essentially gave up her life to take care of the kids. She dropped out of school where its hinted that while she wasn't Lip level genious was reasonably smart and may have been able to get a track scholarship as well. Wouldn't call going to college in Chicago the same cusp of greatness as interning at a place where everyone leaving goes on to make 6 figures.
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Oct 25, 2016 16:32
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CalvinandHobbes posted:Huh, reading the thread i surprised people are so anti-fiona in this. She essentially gave up her life to take care of the kids. She dropped out of school where its hinted that while she wasn't Lip level genious was reasonably smart and may have been able to get a track scholarship as well. Fi's the best part of the show for me, other than Svetlana, Kev, V and Carl. It always surprises me when people complain in the thread about her, too-- tho I can understand being tired of her stories usually revolving around how bad she is at relationships. It doesn't bother me personally, but I get it. 100% on board with her being 'me first', though I'm sure the way she's going about it will blow up spectacularily in her face.
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Oct 25, 2016 16:36
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I think Debbie was 15/16 when she was trying to hook up with the pizza guy a few seasons back so she's probably 17/18 by now. Hoping this season picks up steam soon. Nothing really compelling happening anymore, and other than Car/Kev/V/Svetlana, all of the characters are stuck in disinteresting/repetitive storylines. Bummer, considering how great this show was a few seasons ago.
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When the show began, they were 21, 16/17 (Lip was a junior in high school and could drive), 15, almost 11, 9, and 2. Now they're all over the place. Fiona was referred to as 27 in season 6. Liam has aged only a few years (still in daycare, not in Kindergarten), while Carl is apparently 16 or lied about being 16 for his circumcision; Deb was 16 when she gave birth and 15 when she got pregnant (and she supposedly gave birth about two months ago); there was a reference to Lip as 21 last season, even though he entered college at 18/19 and he's only had two semesters there; Ian last season was old enough to be an EMT but not old enough to drink, and he was still 17 at the beginning of season 5 (probably because it was convenient for him to be a minor in the plot). So they've all aged at different rates, Deb and Carl have caught up to their siblings by about two years over the last two seasons, and Liam should be about seven but is instead five.
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Oct 25, 2016 22:19
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esperterra posted:Her taking that responsibility is a big deal, but it was also a desperation move to keep everyone out of foster care way back when. Yeah and their response to it has basically been "well thanks for keeping us together but you're not actually in charge of us" so I can see that being glossed over. Debbie went from one of the genuinely good people on the show to kind of a giant poo poo, I blame the absence of Sheila as a halfway decent role model. She always seems like she will almost be on the verge of asking for sincere help but then she just acts like an rear end in a top hat, which I guess to be fair is pretty standard teenager acting. Debbie and Carl basically reversed positions over the last 2 seasons, and now Carl is the best Gallagher, with the second best being "none" and Kev/V/Svetlana being the true stars of the show
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I am just shaking my head at everyone being mad at Fiona. She sacrificed her life up until this point to take care of FIVE siblings and two lovely parents from when she was like six years old. She is pretty much a perfect saint on this show's terms and has basically been the catalyst for every positive development in the life of her lovely entitled brothers and sisters (besides Carl who actually pulls his own weight and Liam)
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Oct 26, 2016 04:51
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DarkCrawler posted:I am just shaking my head at everyone being mad at Fiona. She sacrificed her life up until this point to take care of FIVE siblings and two lovely parents from when she was like six years old. She is pretty much a perfect saint on this show's terms and has basically been the catalyst for every positive development in the life of her lovely entitled brothers and sisters (besides Carl who actually pulls his own weight and Liam) she told two minor children that she volunteered to be the legal guardian of to put her at the bottom of her emergency contacts. she is telling her unemployed and single mother little sister, who again, she is the legal guardian of, that she will evict her. yea shes a perfect saint
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Oct 26, 2016 05:06
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I like Fiona, it seems like her current storyline has to do with fallout from the spectacularly failed wedding that she's avoided talking about with V. I think the shittiest thing she's done was last season when she tried to guilt Debbie into getting an abortion but I also agree her latest poo poo with her siblings is kinda harsh.
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Oct 26, 2016 05:15
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Luvcow posted:I like Fiona, it seems like her current storyline has to do with fallout from the spectacularly failed wedding that she's avoided talking about with V. I think the shittiest thing she's done was last season when she tried to guilt Debbie into getting an abortion but I also agree her latest poo poo with her siblings is kinda harsh. the only people that are taking fiona seriously right now are people that dont know her the new people at work tinder people her family and friends are all like aiight this girl cray
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Oct 26, 2016 05:22
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EVIL NOONER posted:she told two minor children that she volunteered to be the legal guardian of to put her at the bottom of her emergency contacts. Boo loving hoo. They are all past fifteen. Time to learn some basic personal responsibility, especially if you have spent the last season whining about what awesome mother you will be and how much you want the baby that you apparently want to put on the shoulders of everyone who had nothing to do with said decision as soon as she is born.
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DarkCrawler posted:Boo loving hoo. They are all past fifteen. Time to learn some basic personal responsibility, especially if you have spent the last season whining about what awesome mother you will be and how much you want the baby that you apparently want to put on the shoulders of everyone who had nothing to do with said decision as soon as she is born. are you trolling or mentally ill
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EVIL NOONER posted:are you trolling or mentally ill Are you trolling, mentally ill, or unaware that this is a TV show (actually that is being mentally ill, so...)
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DarkCrawler posted:Are you trolling, mentally ill, or unaware that this is a TV show (actually that is being mentally ill, so...) quote:They are all past fifteen. Time to learn some basic personal responsibility, thats your response to a persons guardian threatening to illegally evict and abandon them lol
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Oct 26, 2016 06:17
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EVIL NOONER posted:thats your response to a persons guardian threatening to illegally evict and abandon them lol Yeah and again, it's Shameless. Did you miss the part where I said "on this show's terms". Like if this was real life they all would have been in foster care before Ian was born.
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Oct 26, 2016 07:00
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Not to mention Frank being dead or in prison or at least roaming the streets in a brain damaged haze, 10 times over If you're going to imply real world logic and morality to this show it is basically not the show for you
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Oct 26, 2016 14:15
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Besides, tough love is tough love. Fiona hasn't actually evicted anybody yet-- she's just used it as a kick in the rear end to get Debbie to grow up and find a job. If she actually tosses her out when the time runs out, then you can bitch about it. But it wouldn't be the first or last time a pregnant teen/teen mom has been kicked out of her home by her legal guardian, tv show or real life.
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Oct 26, 2016 18:44
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Lip & Ian should absolutely be paying rent. Debbie needs a kick in the rear end because she wanted all of the fun of a baby with none of the downsides and didn't listen to anyone along the way re: finishing school, getting pregnant, getting an abortion, or adoption. Carl & Liam are cool. Honestly I'm way more sympathetic to Fiona this season than season 4(?) when she almost killed Liam, got arrested, lost her job, then got sent to jail for 3 months for breaking probation.
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Oct 26, 2016 18:51
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GobiasIndustries posted:Lip & Ian should absolutely be paying rent. Debbie needs a kick in the rear end because she wanted all of the fun of a baby with none of the downsides and didn't listen to anyone along the way re: finishing school, getting pregnant, getting an abortion, or adoption. Carl & Liam are cool. Really? Because she could have avoided all that garbage by not being a GIANT PIECE OF poo poo and cheating on her boyfriend with his GIANT PIECE OF poo poo brother. It felt contrived and ham fisted. Or maybe I have more sense and can't conceive how I'd get myself in a situation like that.
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Holyshoot posted:Really? Because she could have avoided all that garbage by not being a GIANT PIECE OF poo poo and cheating on her boyfriend with his GIANT PIECE OF poo poo brother. It felt contrived and ham fisted. Or maybe I have more sense and can't conceive how I'd get myself in a situation like that. I...don't think you read my post correctly.
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GobiasIndustries posted:I...don't think you read my post correctly. Yes, yes I did. Whoops!
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Holyshoot posted:Yes, yes I did. Whoops! Fiona this season I have sympathy for. Fiona season 4 I don't. Simple enough for you?
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GobiasIndustries posted:Honestly I'm way more sympathetic to Fiona this season than season 4(?) when she almost killed Liam, got arrested, lost her job, then got sent to jail for 3 months for breaking probation. she is well on the way to doing both of those again so
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EVIL NOONER posted:she is well on the way to doing both of those again so Maybe. The fact that she was totally cool inviting the police to that party makes me think she might be able to get away with it...but it's Shameless, so something will go wrong sooner or later.
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What happened to that dopey blond police guy that was barking up her tree in seasons 1+2 when Jimmysteve was around? Seems like he could be one to just show up and save the day if needed, same with Carl's new buddy
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Crusty Nutsack posted:What happened to that dopey blond police guy that was barking up her tree in seasons 1+2 when Jimmysteve was around? Seems like he could be one to just show up and save the day if needed, same with Carl's new buddy He had a cameo last year and it turned out he's gay.
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Fiona did nothing wrong.
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I could forgive Debbie last year as it was an awkward age, she had some issues and the behavior of someone that age, in that situation was believable. This season I can't stand her. I love Debbie so much more when she was a proto-Lip. In the early seasons she was super intelligent and coming up with a bunch of awesome scams. Why has she been dumbed down to the intelligence level of a junkie doing a smash and grab? I can understand Fiona's current feelings/motivations but during the last episode I was definitely thinking "you're going about this the wrong way" and "although your life has been lovely, sometimes things are lovely, you need to suck that up. You have unfortunately been lumped with a great responsibility, you can't just throw up your hands and wipe them of everything."
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Debbie used to run a day care for extra money in the summers, how can she not consider this even once now that she has to be doing childcare anyway? It's also dumb that she's not already on public assistance. Underage, supporting a baby, no father, she's entitled to her Obama phone and government cheese.
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hepscat posted:Debbie used to run a day care for extra money in the summers, how can she not consider this even once now that she has to be doing childcare anyway? People didn't want their kids there after Fiona got charged with her felony.
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Looten Plunder posted:I could forgive Debbie last year as it was an awkward age, she had some issues and the behavior of someone that age, in that situation was believable. This season I can't stand her. I love Debbie so much more when she was a proto-Lip. In the early seasons she was super intelligent and coming up with a bunch of awesome scams. Why has she been dumbed down to the intelligence level of a junkie doing a smash and grab? I don't get why everyone is so mad at Fiona? She basically gave up her entire life to take care of these kids, and between what looks like pretty fast relationships (to me/tv) she gets a freaking break. Ian, Lip, herself (maybe Carl lol) have an actual chance at a future but I cannot STAND DEBBIE. In the show's term's she's just a fat, ugly chick with an annoying baby. Fiona told her in no simple terms "I'm not gonna take care of another baby". She should have run off and gotten an abortion ASAP, but she wanted a MAN. I hate Deb so much. I thought the LGBTTSXFTQIOUT whatsit with the gender pronouns was pretty funny. I'm cool and I still can't keep up with that poo poo. Imagine you're the first gay dude to come out openly in Detroit and it sounds exactly as irritating as it sounds to everyone else. "My pronoun is"they"" .  The dude has manic-depression and his dad running a homeless shelter next door and he should care who gets offended at ZE, ZA, SHE, SHA, THEY. Bigger problems? No? I thought it was a funny rif akin to the hipsters who overpaid to get yelled at by Svetlana.IN any case, this show is still awesome, and out of 20+ shows I watch per week - I get happy when I have a new one. like the Flash. It's just fun despite any drawbacks - - you want to watch it. I love it.
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DoggPickle posted:I don't get why everyone is so mad at Fiona? She basically gave up her entire life to take care of these kids, and between what looks like pretty fast relationships (to me/tv) she gets a freaking break. Ian, Lip, herself (maybe Carl lol) have an actual chance at a future but I cannot STAND DEBBIE. In the show's term's she's just a fat, ugly chick with an annoying baby. Fiona told her in no simple terms "I'm not gonna take care of another baby". She should have run off and gotten an abortion ASAP, but she wanted a MAN. I hate Deb so much. 
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