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air-
Sep 24, 2007

Who will win the greatest battle of them all?

Serious moment here: Stay away from this movie if sexual assault/violence is a PTSD trigger, or if it's simply something you really don't want to see.



Trailer

US release: November 11, 2016

Back in the 90's, Paul Verhoeven seemingly got typecasted in Hollywood after directing Robocop, Total Recall, and Starship Troopers.

The Hollywood Reporter posted:

The story centers on Michele (Huppert), who seems indestructible. Head of a leading video game company, she brings the same ruthless attitude to her love life as to business. Being attacked in her home by an unknown assailant changes Michele's life forever. When she resolutely tracks the man down, they are both drawn into a curious and thrilling game that may, at any moment, spiral out of control.

LA Times posted:

The press notes for the film dryly say: "No American actress would take on a part this amoral." They may be right.

I saw Elle at Fantastic Fest last night and Michele is one of the strongest, yet utterly depraved, movie characters I've ever seen. Isabelle Huppert masterfully juggles victim and perpetrator, and her acting had me thinking back to Daniel Day-Lewis in There Will Be Blood. Elle is brutal, thought-provoking, and of course, tough to watch. Strongly recommend it when wide release hits.

air- fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Sep 26, 2016

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Martman
Nov 20, 2006

I'm pretty curious about the role video games play in this. The clip of a game in the trailer make it look like the player is a kind of animalistic assassin, so I'm guessing it ties into Michele's apparent role reversal of hunting down her attacker. It also just seems like such an unusual choice in a movie about this kind of subject matter, but hey, that's Verhoeven.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
Well, paraphrasing my thread is one way to get my attention. :v: This movie looks incredible, and I'm happy to see Verheoven back in top form.

air-
Sep 24, 2007

Who will win the greatest battle of them all?

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

Well, paraphrasing my thread is one way to get my attention. :v: This movie looks incredible, and I'm happy to see Verheoven back in top form.

Yep, I took a look at your thread as inspiration for the OP. As I was walking out, I heard other fest attendees mentioning to also check out Belladonna of Sadness. This isn't so psychedelic/trippy though, it does so well at being real yet... some of the reactions of the protagonist are so out there, yet they make sense once you learn more about her character.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
Yeah, this seems like it covers a lot of the same thematic ground in a completely different style. I'm very interested in seeing it, for sure!

air-
Sep 24, 2007

Who will win the greatest battle of them all?

Bump to mention that Elle was released last weekend!

broken sm57
Apr 5, 2015
Did anyone go see it? I caught a midday showing Saturday and was a little bit disappointed. Some really fantastic moments, but overall it didn't make that great of an impression on me.

Hat Thoughts
Jul 27, 2012
Love Will Ferrell in this, a contemporary Christmas classic for sure

Spatulater bro!
Aug 19, 2003

Punch! Punch! Punch!

Hat Thoughts posted:

Love Will Ferrell in this, a contemporary Christmas classic for sure

o i get it

Jack's Flow
Jun 6, 2003

Life, friends, is boring
The reviewer on rogerebert.com thinks it's a masterpiece; Richard Brody (New Yorker) is less smitten, calls it Verhoeven's "macho fantasy adorned with the trappings of liberation."

I can't wait to see it.

trip9
Feb 15, 2011

Between this and The Lobster it's a big year for pitch black comedy.

Also, while watching this my wife and I discovered that old people are just as bad as teenagers when it comes to being insufferable in theaters. I got the distinct feeling that a lot of the people in the theater with us were expecting a much more conventional thriller with a slightly older protagonist. We heard multiple "What is this movie?"''s over the course of it.

Anonymous John
Mar 8, 2002
Bumping this thread to express the travesty of this movie being excluded from the Foreign Language Oscar shortlist.

Whatever. History will be on this movie's side, as well as on Paul Verhoeven's. Excellent film. Please see it in theaters if you get the chance; I'm sure that the subject matter is making it a hard sell, and these type of pictures deserve our full monetary support.

blue squares
Sep 28, 2007

trip9 posted:

Between this and The Lobster it's a big year for pitch black comedy.

I'm really not sure I'd call Elle a comedy

Hat Thoughts
Jul 27, 2012

blue squares posted:

I'm really not sure I'd call Elle a comedy

Thats how you know its a good comedy

Coaaab
Aug 6, 2006

Wish I was there...
I think Verhoeven phrased it best

K. Waste
Feb 27, 2014

MORAL:
To the vector belong the spoils.

Coaaab posted:

I think Verhoeven phrased it best



This can also be related to Showgirls, and the discomfort with its rather overtly black comic narrative, which is simultaneously so deliberately provocative with its violence. It's no surprise that every once in a while you get the observations, like, "Well, just because it's black comedy/satire doesn't mean it's entertaining," or whatever. It completely misses the point of unalloyed, symbolic provocation. Verhoeven is much less like David Fincher and much more like Alejandro Jodorowsky. If anybody should do a Dune one-off, it's Verhoeven.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

You're quite good at turning me on.

Elle and Isabelle Huppert won at the Golden Globes, even though I don't think Elle was the strongest foreign film I saw this year (would put Toni Erdmann and maybe The Handmaiden above it), her performance is absolutely fearless and she deserved it. Apparently it didn't make the shortlist for the Oscars though??

verdigris murder
Jul 10, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
It's at least good that Verhoeven got out of the typecasting after directing Robocop, Total Recall, and Starship Troopers. It's also, by employing rape as a metaphor, considerably more preferable a rape than The Neon Demon, which not only didn't have much rape, but was also loving poo poo.

twerking on the railroad
Jun 23, 2007

Get on my level
Just saw this one. I'll admit to being a bit confused about it. Especially the ending.

Great job by Huppert though.

air-
Sep 24, 2007

Who will win the greatest battle of them all?

I really liked Tim League's analysis for The Great Debate feature on Birth.Movies.Death:

quote:

The first title entered into The Great Debate's forum is Paul Verhoeven's powerful Elle. Alamo Drafthouse founder Tim League went up against Online Film Critics Society member Candice Frederick, and they each argued their points, Tim in support of Elle and Candice on the opposing side. Read their arguments (spoilers!) here.

After readers saw the film themselves, they weighed in with their own reviews in the comment section and voted in the poll. And Tim's defense of Elle was the overwhelming winner!

To me, this movie is a portrayal of a very hosed up woman. I also subscribe to the theory that Michele is a sociopath and she was the killer instead of her father.

Tim League posted:

This is not a film that is making a blanket statement about women or sexual assault. Instead Elle is a very particular portrait of the calm, cold and calculating mind of a sociopath. The traditional interpretation of Elle’s narrative is that Michele has these traits either because she has her father’s serial-killer DNA coursing through her veins or because her emotions were stripped or atrophied after witnessing such traumatic events as a child.

I would like to suggest that there is an even more sinister interpretation of Elle. Consider the possibility that Michele is in fact the serial killer, and that her father merely stumbled upon his daughter’s crimes when he returned from work. In order to protect his beloved daughter, he quickly devised a scheme to cover her tracks and take the blame himself. In this scenario, he strips down his daughter to her underwear to remove her bloody clothes and proceeds to gather all the furniture from the house and burn it in a pile. This isn’t a continuation of his demented crime spree, but a means to burn his daughter’s clothes and the murder weapon, forever hiding the evidence. He was the only witness.

The crux of this theory comes during Michele’s holiday dinner party. After a few glasses of wine, Michele loosens up and awkwardly describes in detail the day of the grisly murders. During her detailed account, she explains that in addition to the dozens of human bodies, there were also six cats, two dogs and a rabbit that were murdered, a detail that was never given to the press and thus never reported. She further explains that despite rumors at the time, she did not accompany her father during the murders but rather she greeted him at home after he was done with the spree. But if she was unaware of the killings until her father was hauled away by the police and the specifics of the canine/feline death were never reported, how would she know the details? The account does not add up. I firmly believe this moment was inserted into the narrative to allow for this possible alternate theory of Michele as the true criminal.

verdigris murder
Jul 10, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
It's a good movie. But the blatant authorial intent Ververons rape fixations just don't work, and here's why:

I) hot gilf target
II) Islam
III) it's not winning an oscar for best foreign film

SHISHKABOB
Nov 30, 2012

Fun Shoe
ok is there animal death in this movie. Like that cat, I have a bad feeling about it being in the movie poster.

Coaaab
Aug 6, 2006

Wish I was there...

SHISHKABOB posted:

ok is there animal death in this movie. Like that cat, I have a bad feeling about it being in the movie poster.
There's a laptop that briefly shows a grainy video clip of hamsters getting crushed by women in high heels but nothing beyond that.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

¡Hola SEA!


Can't wait for this to be available to me, the nastier Verhoeven gets the better.

InfiniteZero
Sep 11, 2004

PINK GUITAR FIRE ROBOT

College Slice
If it helps to sway anybody, this film made John Waters' list of top ten films of 2016.

https://www.artforum.com/inprint/issue=201610&id=64773

Waters is normally very good at recommending really good films that are otherwise overlooked (although this film isn't exactly "overlooked" anyway).

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007

InfiniteZero posted:

If it helps to sway anybody, this film made John Waters' list of top ten films of 2016.

https://www.artforum.com/inprint/issue=201610&id=64773

Waters is normally very good at recommending really good films that are otherwise overlooked (although this film isn't exactly "overlooked" anyway).

There's a paywall keeping me from seeing the full list. Is The Love Witch on there? Please tell me it is.

Coaaab
Aug 6, 2006

Wish I was there...

Coaaab posted:

https://www.artforum.com/inprint/issue=201610&id=64773


1 KRISHA (Trey Edward Shults) This hilariously harrowing portrait of a family reunion ruined by an alcoholic relative and too many dogs is told with verve and lunacy and features a top-notch performance by Krisha Fairchild, the director’s own aunt. Other people’s hell can sometimes be so much fun.

2 TICKLED (David Farrier and Dylan Reeve) Hahahahaha! First you’ll chuckle watching this exceptional piece of investigative reporting, but then, once the shocking plot twists begin, you’ll choke on that laughter.

3 EVERYBODY WANTS SOME!! (Richard Linklater) The best accidentally gay movie ever made by a known heterosexual director features the most talented and sexy ensemble cast of the last decade.

4 ROAR (Noel Marshall) I finally got to see Tippi Hedren’s real-life snuff movie starring her entire family that was made in 1981 but not released in the US until 2015. Watch, slack-jawed, as Tippi is scalped and her daughter Melanie Griffith mauled by the wild-animal extras who turn out to be the real stars of this nutcase action film.

5 WIENER-DOG (Todd Solondz) The funniest dog movie since Godard’s Goodbye to Language. Nasty, blunt, rude, and full of hideous surprises.

6 ELLE (Paul Verhoeven) Do daughters of mass murderers like to get raped? In France they sometimes do, and only Isabelle Huppert could play this hetero-deviant, Claude-Chabrol-meets-Radley-Metzger character with feminist dignity. Isn’t she the best actress in the whole wide world?

7 JULIETA (Pedro Almodóvar) If Hitchcock had actually understood women, might he not have made this serious and absolutely stunning hellodrama about female longing and loneliness? Rossy de Palma is back, too. Yay!

8 LIKE CATTLE TOWARDS GLOW (Dennis Cooper and Zac Farley) Arty teenage death, Gallic rimming, and a maddening passion for punk penises make this Eric Rohmer–like porno a real French tickler for the hosed-up literary set.

9 VALLEY OF LOVE (Guillaume Nicloux) Yep, it’s her again. Isabelle Huppert and the fattest Gérard Depardieu you’ve ever seen team up as parents in Death Valley, searching for some kind of mystical message from their son who has just committed suicide. Even dead Pasolini would love this film.

10 A QUIET PASSION (Terence Davies) The grim curse of Emily Dickinson’s poetic talent has never been shown with such depressing clarity. If you can’t enjoy suffering along with her, you should be dead too.

John Waters has already left on an eighteen-city tour for his spoken-word show A John Waters Christmas.

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Anonymous John
Mar 8, 2002

air- posted:

I really liked Tim League's analysis for The Great Debate feature on Birth.Movies.Death:


To me, this movie is a portrayal of a very hosed up woman. I also subscribe to the theory that Michele is a sociopath and she was the killer instead of her father.



Thanks for sharing! Glad that the first viewpoint is winning, because the second viewpoint misses the mark, uuhhh... bigly.

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