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Why did they change all the country names? Is there a copyright on WW2 they were trying to avoid? I wonder if the show will end before Yankeetonia gets pulled into the war by Nipponstan when they bombed Oyster Bay.
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Pavlov posted:Why did they change all the country names? Is there a copyright on WW2 they were trying to avoid? Eh, I thought it was fine. A little silly, sure, but it makes a certain amount of sense to put that little bit of extra intellectual distance between the viewer and WWII before you start throwing witches and prophecies and such into the mix.
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Oct 6, 2016 04:13
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What would they gain by not changing the names? I don't see a single benefit in using real-world names for the countries here, and several in changing them.
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Oct 6, 2016 04:28
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i too find it baffling when a fictional setting inspired by a historical period is not literally that historical period.
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Oct 6, 2016 04:31
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Pavlov posted:Why did they change all the country names? Is there a copyright on WW2 they were trying to avoid?
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Oct 6, 2016 04:47
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z0glin Warchief posted:What would they gain by not changing the names? I don't see a single benefit in using real-world names for the countries here, and several in changing them. I already forgot what they called France. It was Th- something. I'm not gunna forget France.
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Oct 6, 2016 04:49
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Pavlov posted:I already forgot what they called France. It was Th- something. I'm not gunna forget France. Thermidor. It was the only one that wasn't just (Real Country)ania or a reference to something I knew about (Livonia is a Polish city, I believe, and Romulus is a figure in a founding Roman legend).
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Oct 6, 2016 04:50
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Spiritus Nox posted:Thermidor. It was the only one that wasn't just (Real Country)ania or a reference to something I knew about (Livonia is a Polish city, I believe, and Romulus is a figure in a founding Roman legend). Livonia was actually a region that included Modern day Estonia and Latvia, so naming ersatz-Poland that was kinda weird. Thermidor was a month in the French republican calendar between mid July and mid August. It's remembered because Robespierre, the leader of the republican terror got overthrown during what is called the Thermidor reaction. It's also the name of a lobster dish 
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Oct 6, 2016 05:03
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Thermidor is the name of a month (July?) in the French revolutionary calendar. Romulus is one of the two legendary brothers who founded Rome; the other is Remus who is killed by Romulus. And that's why the city wasn't called Rem. 
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Oct 6, 2016 05:04
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Pavlov posted:I already forgot what they called France. It was Th- something. I'm not gunna forget France. "Th- something" is good enough for some random country that got dunked on before the show even started and likely won't play any significant role in the story--and if it does, the name will probably start coming up often enough to make it memorable, where it can graduate from "Th- something" to whatever it actually is.
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Oct 6, 2016 05:04
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a kitten posted:And that's why the city wasn't called Rem. A sweeter, cuddlier, more passionate conquering empire 
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Oct 6, 2016 05:07
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z0glin Warchief posted:"Th- something" is good enough for some random country that got dunked on before the show even started and likely won't play any significant role in the story--and if it does, the name will probably start coming up often enough to make it memorable, where it can graduate from "Th- something" to whatever it actually is. It's not random tho. It's literal France, because the map is literal Europe. They just mouse-that-roared an extra country. Also I would definitely watch a Mouse that Roared anime. Japan I hope you're listening.
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Oct 6, 2016 18:03
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have you ever heard of alternate timelines op
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Oct 6, 2016 18:30
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They could easily have gone for a fully fictional setting with WW2-era styling, but I guess that's extra work.
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Oct 6, 2016 19:04
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ViggyNash posted:They could easily have gone for a fully fictional setting with WW2-era styling, but I guess that's extra work. Drakengard had it right: Just flip Europe upside-down!
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Oct 6, 2016 19:09
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Nine of Eight posted:It's also the name of a lobster dish I knew I recognized that word!! haha.
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Oct 6, 2016 19:09
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ViggyNash posted:They could easily have gone for a fully fictional setting with WW2-era styling, but I guess that's extra work. Extra work that doesn't really provide a ton of tangible benefit, at that. Like, unless you change the whole aesthetic of the show people are still going to immediately look at it and go "oh, we're doing WWII with witches." I don't see that much point in keeping up much pretension to the contrary.
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Oct 6, 2016 19:13
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Spiritus Nox posted:Extra work that doesn't really provide a ton of tangible benefit, at that. Like, unless you change the whole aesthetic of the show people are still going to immediately look at it and go "oh, we're doing WWII with witches." I don't see that much point in keeping up much pretension to the contrary. The question is why we've then fallen into this weird middle ground where the names have been changed. I'm hopeful we'll see actual alt history elements that justify the conceit beyond the existence of Fine's weird somehow unconquered homeland but time will tell.
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Oct 6, 2016 19:17
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Lestaki posted:The question is why we've then fallen into this weird middle ground where the names have been changed. I'm hopeful we'll see actual alt history elements that justify the conceit beyond the existence of Fine's weird somehow unconquered homeland but time will tell. ...Wait, how is Elystadt being unconquered prior to the war any weirder than it was for Switzerland?
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Oct 6, 2016 19:26
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ViggyNash posted:They could easily have gone for a fully fictional setting with WW2-era styling, but I guess that's extra work. And then we could have gotten an actual original setting out of it. Or they could have gone for realworld and tried for historicality in non-witch shenanigans. Right now the setting's floating between "C- in History Class" and "Original but Uninspired".
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Oct 6, 2016 19:26
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Spiritus Nox posted:...Wait, how is Elystadt being unconquered prior to the war any weirder than it was for Switzerland? Given Fine is the daughter of an Archduke and it's location on the map nestled between Switzerland, Italy, and a swathe of German territory corresponding to Austria (absorbed in our history in 1938), Elystadt (itself three letters tagged onto the German word for city) is likely some kind of weird West Austrian statelet. Since that's ethnically and culturally Germanic you'd normally assume that Emperor Hitler would have invaded long ago as part of his general drive to use the 'self-determination' of German people as a justification for conquest. It even has notable industry to gobble up! There are plenty of plausible reasons why my assumptions there wouldn't stack up but so far there are far more similarities than differences between our history and the show's history. It's fun to read between the lines until events prove me wrong. Lestaki fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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Oct 6, 2016 20:26
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*bursts into thread panting* Help, help! I have no idea what fiction is and I read a book about world war 2 seventeen years ago!
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Oct 6, 2016 20:32
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*adjusting glasses* There are plenty of plausible reasons, *said in a 'i glanced at a wikipedia article five minutes before making this post' voice*
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Oct 6, 2016 20:33
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Endorph posted:*bursts into thread panting* Help, help! I have no idea what fiction is and I read a book about world war 2 seventeen years ago! You know what? You're right. I'll knock it off from now on.
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Oct 6, 2016 20:33
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Endorph posted:*adjusting glasses* There are plenty of plausible reasons, *said in a 'i glanced at a wikipedia article five minutes before making this post' voice* Right now silly alt-timeline speculation is the only benefit this setting's got. At least let them have that. For instance: What if Almof Hiltler decides not to invade Moscowstotska? Can Wilson Churchhall convince Josephus Staltland to enter the war anyway??
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Oct 6, 2016 20:45
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Pavlov posted:Right now silly alt-timeline speculation is the only benefit this setting's got. At least let them have that. You're being oddly pissy about a show going "we wanted to use WWII imagery and story themes while still making it obvious that we're not doing literal historical fiction."
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Oct 6, 2016 20:50
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Lestaki posted:You know what? You're right. I'll knock it off from now on.
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Oct 6, 2016 21:03
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Spiritus Nox posted:You're being oddly pissy about a show going "we wanted to use WWII imagery and story themes while still making it obvious that we're not doing literal historical fiction."
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Oct 6, 2016 21:04
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I'm gonna watch the show and hope the witch continues to ride a giant rifle as her broom and also kisses the cool princess.
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Oct 6, 2016 21:12
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chumbler posted:I'm gonna watch the show and hope the witch continues to ride a giant rifle as her broom and also kisses the cool princess. 
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Oct 6, 2016 21:15
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chumbler posted:I'm gonna watch the show and hope the witch continues to ride a giant rifle as her broom and also kisses the cool princess. 
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Oct 6, 2016 21:26
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Spiritus Nox posted:You're being oddly pissy about a show going "we wanted to use WWII imagery and story themes while still making it obvious that we're not doing literal historical fiction."
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Oct 6, 2016 21:29
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Knock it off Pavlov.
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Oct 6, 2016 21:30
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chumbler posted:I'm gonna watch the show and hope the witch continues to ride a giant rifle as her broom and also kisses the cool princess.  Having fun watching a show without sperging about it? Is that allowed?!? MODS!!!
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Oct 6, 2016 21:37
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No worries Seafood, that's all I got anyway.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Extra work that doesn't really provide a ton of tangible benefit, at that. Like, unless you change the whole aesthetic of the show people are still going to immediately look at it and go "oh, we're doing WWII with witches." I don't see that much point in keeping up much pretension to the contrary. They could have gone for the Maria the Virgin Witch approach of being relatively historically accurate, but with witches. Pavlov posted:No worries Seafood, that's all I got anyway. Aw, I was actually kind of enjoying it.
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do you guys literally not understand the concept of alternate history fiction. did it upset you that japan was called area 11 in code geass
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Episode 2 was good. Slower paced than I expected, and I wasn't in love with the intro action scene like I was with the plane escape at the end of 1, but I was hoping that the show would lean into Izetta and Fine's relationship and it just spent most of an episode doing just that, so yay. I enjoyed the flashback sequences quite a bit. Izetta is a bit more reluctant to fight than I initially expected from how she exploded that plane at the end of episode 1. I'm generally feeling more confident about the rest of the show if this is the tone and rhythm that'll characterize the majority of its run.
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Oct 8, 2016 17:17
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I wonder what it means that the German officer from last episode had a pistol encrusted with "Who Dares Wins," since they flashed it again this ep.
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Space Flower posted:I wonder what it means that the German officer from last episode had a pistol encrusted with "Who Dares Wins," since they flashed it again this ep. I think that might just be for visual confirmation that they're looking at the wreckage of Officer Dick's plane.
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