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SaffronKit posted:This is true and in terms of actual real life culture I take it with a massive grain of salt, although I have some misgivings vis a vis other sources. I will always admit meeting someone from an eastern culture I will have preconceptions based on what I have read and learned but know I at least would take people's actions into account more heavily than I would previous bias. SaffronKit posted:I have bad news. After a lot of reading of much Chinese, Korean and Japanese based LitNovels, pretty much everything from the east has super heavy misogynistic tones. It's pretty ingrained in their culture and ESPECIALLY Chinese culture as far as I can tell and don't even bother thinking about how disgustingly homo/trans-phobic these novels can be. The Korean lit novels are probably the best of the bunch, but even then you can clearly see the slant towards chauvinistic tendencies. You either take it in stride while rolling your eyes or drop the genre all together.
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SaffronKit posted:This is true and in terms of actual real life culture I take it with a massive grain of salt, although I have some misgivings vis a vis other sources. I will always admit meeting someone from an eastern culture I will have preconceptions based on what I have read and learned but know I at least would take people's actions into account more heavily than I would previous bias. Never read the comments section on any web novel translation. Never read the comments section on any web novel translation. Never read the comments section on any web novel translation. Never read the comments section on any web novel translation. Never read the comments section on any web novel translation. Never read the comments section on any web novel translation. Never read the comments section on any web novel translation. This is the key to maybe enjoying this terrible fiction and hobby. If you do leave a comment on a editing/translation error make sure to never look back and realize you screamed into the deep dark void and if it replies to ignore it. Also read https://www.novelupdates.com/series/my-disciple-died-yet-again/ A fun and better than most novel.
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Fallorn posted:Never read the comments section on anything.
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gwrtheyrn posted:Yeah that's pretty common if you're talking about all the single lines, I'm not sure how much of it comes from the source material or from the translation. If you're talking about the use of the chinese/japanese quote marks that's also pretty common. It's hard to tell what is distracting for you because to me that just looks like a regular web novel translation Yeah the line spacing was mainly what was throwing me off, though if I read enough I'd probably get used to it. didn't know what the quote marks were but that makes sense.
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Elephant Parade posted:Fair enough, that's just not really the impression I got from the post that started all this: I am nothing if not bad at expressing myself and inconsistent. Eh, I think some of my impressions for expressing it so firmly came from Genius Detective which someone else mentioned just a bit earlier where even it being set in modern times had some kinda iffy characterization in terms of how men treated women and vice versa? I certainly don't consider it as in line with other xuanxia but I'll admit bias however, and probably took it too far.
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Wow, Monarch of Evernight is pointlessly grimdark. The special training camp all the nobles send their sons to? The first thing the camp does is lock all the kids into a room, order them to be quiet, and all the teachers leave for half an hour. Then they randomly come back in and shoot any of the kids who were fighting with each other. Then whip any of the kids who talked. Then shoot any liars. And the good kids who obey? They get whipped once. Seriously what the gently caress I cannot wrap my head around killing children in a test like this. Especially without any warning of the consequences. They're loving children they don't understand consequences yet.
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My issue with most stories that involve actual stats/skills is that the overall "system" they exist within almost always sucks rear end (and the numbers/skills are just an excuse to directly quantify how "OP" characters are). I could see that sort of thing being interesting if the system was thought out well, but it rarely is. Forge of Destiny is probably the closest example I can think of to one that is good about this, and it keeps it stats completely divorced from the actual narrative (so it doesn't even really count). One of the best examples of this is "I'm a spider, so what?"; I actually enjoyed that WN (though almost entirely for the non-Kumoko parts, which is apparently not a common opinion - I struggled through a lot of the early parts, with the interludes being a lot of what kept me reading in the hopes that things would get more interesting later), but its game system is dumb as hell and basically an excuse to give the protagonist (and some other characters) ridiculous abilities.
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Ytlaya posted:My issue with most stories that involve actual stats/skills is that the overall "system" they exist within almost always sucks rear end (and the numbers/skills are just an excuse to directly quantify how "OP" characters are). I could see that sort of thing being interesting if the system was thought out well, but it rarely is. Forge of Destiny is probably the closest example I can think of to one that is good about this, and it keeps it stats completely divorced from the actual narrative (so it doesn't even really count). There are actually two separate issues to this. The first is that what makes for good game mechanics doesn't necessarily make for a good story. The second is that "excuse to give the protagonist ridiculous abilities" is the root motive of most litrpg webnovels, as they exist practically as a subgenre of wish fulfillment.
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While I'll echo Jon Joe's take on the matter, especially the second point (if litrpg, then OP MC is a given) certain novels can absolutely go too balls deep on showing a bunch of essentially meaningless numbers every chapter for no reason other than to show them going up. While I enjoy watching numbers going up, pointlessly showing small increases is clearly just a form of padding and doesn't really add anything to the novel usually. The decent authors will use it early on as a driving force for the MC or as a point of comparison to other characters so you get a better idea how of strong/weak the MC is. They'll also tend to stop showing the stats as often or only bring it up if it is relevant to driving a point home. I myself have a pretty high tolerance for terrible use of pretty much anything in a novel, so it doesn't bother me typically or it's easy to click on to just totally ignoring certain sections of a chapter. It can def be a big downer though, and be a big downside for an otherwise decent novel.
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unless the author is a pretty big math nerd, they tend to phase out detailed stat sheets later on as they get too annoying to handle.
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Delve is the only one I've read where the system is presented in a consistent way that isn't (e: only) convenient for the plot, because the author is a math nerd and a large chunk of the story is learning about it by experiment or from talking to people and trying to come up with a good enough exploit.
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Kumoko is a slow burn but I felt like it ultimately does the dumb RPG mechanic stuff well.
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Argas posted:Kumoko is a slow burn but I felt like it ultimately does the dumb RPG mechanic stuff well. It does it comparatively well because the RPG mechanic is an actual plot device and the main character is unusual (i.e. not a boy/man who is a self-insert wish fulfillment vessel), but I think the main character's interaction with the RPG system is still pretty bad (and I also don't really like her much as a character, even though she's preferable to your average protagonist in similar WNs). I just don't really get the enjoyment out of someone "breaking a (fake) system" and becoming really powerful because of it. The only reason I could deal with reading Kumoko in the first place is that there are other PoV characters who receive focus in contexts that don't involve the main protagonist; without that I definitely wouldn't be able to deal with it. I think the optimal way to do this sort of thing is similar to Forge of Destiny, where the main character is given advantages that make them strong, but in a way that isn't that unusual within the setting and allows for other characters with similar advantages. You can have a power fantasy without discrediting the entire setting and system. I actually enjoy some element of "wish fulfillment" (in the sense of the protagonist being strong and doing fun/interesting things), but it loses all its appeal if it's done in a way that removes tension and hurts the characterization of other characters and the broader setting.
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Ytlaya posted:I think the optimal way to do this sort of thing is similar to Forge of Destiny, where the main character is given advantages that make them strong, but in a way that isn't that unusual within the setting and allows for other characters with similar advantages. You can have a power fantasy without discrediting the entire setting and system. I actually enjoy some element of "wish fulfillment" (in the sense of the protagonist being strong and doing fun/interesting things), but it loses all its appeal if it's done in a way that removes tension and hurts the characterization of other characters and the broader setting. I think I agree. Breaking a system or seeing clever power combos is fun. An "I win" power is boring. Practical Guide to Evil does this very well. I think it helps that there's enough churn in powers that boring ones don't get to stick around too long.
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kumoko doesn't really break the system intentionally. it's more that the system fundamentally can't cope with sentient monsters. kumoko survived, so she got stronk. the ogre boy went through a similar progression.
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The primary virtue of the LitRPG stuff in Kumo is that it starts getting scaled back fairly early on, then gets chucked entirely.
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Renegade Immortal chapter 119: Wang Lin goes to space; or, I had no idea this novel would actually go straight for space and not stop. Good stuff!!
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RI is pretty solid and I liked it as a whole more than Er Gen's other stuff, maybe tied with ISSTH. AWE was good but the ending was trash and Pursuit of Truth felt like an attempt at more complexity that just missed its mark. Wang Lin is basically survival instinct personified then jammed into the toughest life possible who locks onto any hints of caring from others which lets it run a pretty consistent track. Kumoko was a fun one because it used the leveling stuff as a transition to the universe then slowly dropped it as the system got destroyed. The Lazy King struck me a similar and considering how short it is, it's definitely worth checking out if you haven't yet. It has a nice bonus of sticking the landing at the end too.
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I made a goon web novel discord. https://discord.gg/RJfqep Emmideer fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Jun 26, 2020 |
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Just finished Emperor's Domination chapter 29 and it continues to be highly entertaining to read without being good. I've never seen a more OP protagonist, outside of leylin, who sucks.
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a perfectly normal post
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Jymmybob posted:RI is pretty solid and I liked it as a whole more than Er Gen's other stuff, maybe tied with ISSTH. AWE was good but the ending was trash I was disappointed by the date rape pills in AWE and noped out of it
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KOGAHAZAN!! posted:a perfectly normal post 
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i am a cool goon who likes web novels.
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I'd just like to say that I've really enjoyed hearing stories from that one person who keeps reading the worst possible web novels and coming back with trip reports. I don't like reading bad fiction that much but I always love those little war stories.
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Mysticblade posted:I'd just like to say that I've really enjoyed hearing stories from that one person who keeps reading the worst possible web novels and coming back with trip reports. I don't like reading bad fiction that much but I always love those little war stories. We suffer for your entertainment. Our minds are scarred and we have seen horrors untold but always we ask for more. My most recent one was Galactic Dark Net. Somehow it managed to have a bad story and an abrupt ending. Usually these get dragged out. The author’s notes said this was deliberate and helpfully suggested we come to our own conclusions.
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Sage Monarch update: the protagonist is astonished to meet someone from a sect that doesn't immediately want to murder or enslave him and take his stuff. Naturally, he joins them so he can murder or enslave them all and take their stuff.
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Sindai posted:Sage Monarch update: the protagonist is astonished to meet someone from a sect that doesn't immediately want to murder or enslave him and take his stuff. Naturally, he joins them so he can murder or enslave them all and take their stuff. That’ll show them. Adding Sage Monarch to the list.
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Mysticblade posted:I'd just like to say that I've really enjoyed hearing stories from that one person who keeps reading the worst possible web novels and coming back with trip reports. I don't like reading bad fiction that much but I always love those little war stories.
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Sindai posted:Sage Monarch update: the protagonist is astonished to meet someone from a sect that doesn't immediately want to murder or enslave him and take his stuff. Naturally, he joins them so he can murder or enslave them all and take their stuff. I honestly thought that it might have been a story that at some point there was a twist and Yang Qi was actually the bad guy. He's probably killed more innocents and bystanders than anyone else in their setting. I realized it was straight faced when he hid in a mortal world then blew it up to distract enemies he could easily have beaten then said 'it's too bad they made me kill that civilization that has existed for eons'. Bonus games: The number of people he's worked with that he executes with no prior indication that the author says 'of course mc knew that person was about to betray him by using his blah blah blah ability' dozens The number of previous enemies or neutral parties he's reconciled with from misunderstandings etc 0 He gets actively worse and more righteous as it goes. I read him as Mozgus from berserk now.
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Did someone ever pick up The Villainess Will Blow Through Her Death Flags With Modern Firepower? I thought I recalled reading about someone's review of it somewhere here but I don't remember exactly.
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I read the first chapter or two of the manga and dropped it because it looked dumb
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it was murder porn. just a completely humorless story about killing endless numbers of helpless people.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Just finished Emperor's Domination chapter 29 and it continues to be highly entertaining to read without being good. I've never seen a more OP protagonist, outside of leylin, who sucks. the main failings of ED (rape aside) is that the author gets wrapped telling stories about characters you give zero shits about because they move away from the only draw of the novel of the MC crushing everyone. I know I said before it only gets good after chapter 2500 and that's because that's when Fiercest starts to more proactively crush people instead of sitting on his rear end watching people prance about.
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i have a new favorite garbage wnquote:It seems like I’ve gotten so excited from fighting in this game that I’ve forgotten that I need to fight just like in reality. I wouldn’t have realized this so quickly if I didn’t meet such a challenge. However, this inflexible body is posing problems for me. Fortunately, I’ve managed to slowly adapt after the fight earlier. In that case… it is pretty much all like this. the author contradicts himself constantly in that distinctive '14 year old boy's first attempt at writing' way. i think the writing quality might be below shadow hack, the previous world champion for poorly written translated webnovels. here you go
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Wow, that's really impressive. Every line is poo poo writing gold.
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That's kind of amazing. The sheer amount edge but actually-he's-not edge is beautiful. 
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