FPzero posted:

Judging someone for their crimes... No one has the right to do that...

FPzero posted:

Stephen9001 posted:

Of course, it's possible that's not a clue, and the makers of the game simply got where the mark from a hanging would be wrong. Good eye either way though.

mycelia posted:

Moss balls are a thing. What's the joke? I don't have a goddamn clue. This game occasionally makes some really deep cuts.

eating only apples posted:

The killer strangled Ibuki with the rope, which could be passed off as a hanging death.

FluffySquirrel posted:

The bit that's always bugged me about the timeline, which is already dodgy enough as is, is that it seems to rely on Hajime finding the body and instantly leaving

If I'd seen a livestream of someone about to hang themselves, then got there and found them.. the first thing I'd be doing is getting the body down and performing CPR, given we already went over the fact that her neck wasn't broken, if she had only just done it, could totally have been saved potentially

So yeah, the plan would kinda fall apart a bit if Hajime had just spent 10 minutes doing a pretty common response

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

I like Mikan's shift in personality. It's really eerie.


Well not ALWAYS. There are a number of characters who change personality but aren't necessarily the killer.

Glazius posted:

...Hope's Peak worked like poo poo, didn't it? Unless it was a secret murderous rage factory.

David Corbett posted:

The whole art project becomes entirely more when you realize that the original idea was dreamt up by the president of a roller coaster company.

FPzero posted:

: But it's supposed to be an escape game, so how can there be any tension if there's no time limit?
: Sooo...I've decided to use your stomachs as the time limiiiiiiiit!
: What do you mean...?
: Well, simply put...





: It means kill someone before you starve to death!
: Wh-What the heck!?
: Puhuhu...if you're planning to kill someone, I highly recommend you make your kill as soon as possible!
: It'll be too late if you get so weak you have no energy to kill! *leaves*

FPzero posted:

Technically they are spoilers since I intend to get to them eventually, but we do have a spoiler bars policy in place for the LP. If you really want to mention it, carefully spoiler tag the contents and we're all good to go.

Hemingway To Go! posted:

It's pretty depressing to watch ultimate starvation.
Not even Hiyoko or Teruteru would deserve this.

Qrr posted:

Real heros offer to help with murder, right?

Glazius posted:

"Because he's a monobear" is never an invalid reason, but aside from being vague, Monobear doesn't really help the killer, does he?

Carbon dioxide posted:

Have we seen a forest this big anywhere on the islands we visited so far?

FPzero posted:

: Then I'll take responsibility and gently caress you!

Carbon dioxide posted:

I do not, in fact, believe the hamsters are dark gods of destruction.

FPzero posted:

: As long as you had the power of the hamsters you keep with you!

Zakrelo posted:

They didnt end up checking any of the rooms, but Gundham couldn't risk that they would so he had to show up.

Qrr posted:

Not even close to Hiro. She didn't contribute much to trials, but what she did contribute was pretty reasonable, except of course on the one trial that she was intentionally trying to bomb, and honestly she was pretty justified there.

Venuz Patrol posted:

managing to figure out case 3 before the trial started is one of the reasons i actually liked it, even though it killed two of my favorite characters. its fun to follow along from a position of smug nonchalance like nagito does every once in a while

that being said, being forced to visit the hospital conference room before the investigation finished was a bit of a giveaway. there has to have been a better way to hint at that bit of evidence than dragging you to the spot and having nanami say Gosh That Curtain Sure Looks Familiar Huh

FPzero posted:

Enormous buildings towered everywhere, as if the entire island were one gigantic city... It felt very sci-fi...as though the island was a snapshot of an urban metropolis from the near future.

amigolupus posted:

What interests me is Kazuichi theorizing that a bunch of rich people are making them kill each other. The name and picture of the founder of Hope's Peak was shown during chapter 4, so maybe this is a build-up to them being the mastermind?

Toalpaz posted:

I think it's fair for them to act like that especially since she's a stuffed animal that claims to have kidnapped them, and Monobear is another stuffed animal that is making them kill each other. And that the islands are a perfect stage for them to kill each other on? It's very clear that this setting has been planned out for them, so why not think the two stuffed animals with the same naming schemes and design are in it together?

FPzero posted:

: That is right. Courage and recklessness are completely different. If you were shot at by a gun like that, you would have more holes in you than a Beatrice's nest...
: ...You mean a "bee's nest?"
: I-In my country...we use the expression, "Beatrice's nest"!

Hemingway To Go! posted:

how did "my only talent is luck" build bombs powerful enough to blow up an island without anyone noticing

Zoe posted:

For a while there I was sure the twist would be that someone gets murdered because someone else panicked and wanted off the island before the bombs went off, but I don't think there's actually time for a trial etc. at this point if they're set to blow at noon.

GuyUpNorth posted:

You'd think NISA has competent translators with agreed-upon romanization, if they use in-house team. If not? Anything goes I guess.

Robindaybird posted:

I remember hearing shortly after AT2's release, they had a massive amount of openings in the translation team, given the amount of untranslated text, putting the wrong text on dialogue choice boxes, and the infamous game-crashing bug that only happens in the NTSC release, I highly doubt that it's coincidence.

Mana Khemia 2 also had a similar game-freezing bug that was in the NTSC one for the same 'hosed up the coding while translating' reason.

PopeCrunch posted:

This all supports my theory that this is all some sort of virtual reality / THE MATRIX / feverish thoughts of a dying mind thing.

Zoe posted:

Mostly because I've never heard of 'fire grenades' but those sure do look like they could be bottles of lighter fluid with the label removed. 'Huh, the fire seems to be intensifying?"

Stabbey_the_Clown posted:

Oh right, torture to try and get the bombs locations out of him.

Blademaster_Aio posted:

I still think Nagito was lying about his backstory.

I mean, the ultimate universe is a pretty weird place, but a meteor killing only the high jacker and his parents? Actually, that's not the unbelievable part, the strangest part is the meteor itself.

So far Nagito's luck has been pretty simple - he just wins at games of chance.

Like rock paper scissors, Russian roulette, drawing straws.

So basically, games of chance are rigged in his favour.

His backstory luck is as insane as the man himself, but I dunno. I can't put it past Nagito that he's messing with us when he tells us the backstory.

EponymousMrYar posted:

Of course there'd be a real bomb in the Octagon!

The one place Nagito had access to that no one else does!

Hemingway To Go! posted:

Is Nagito REALLY concerned about the traitor.

I'm not sure he really gave a poo poo. He seemed to hate the whole class last trial, why would he now want to punish someone for betraying them now, and we also know he's been lying.

Rarity posted:

I've always thought this was such a weak rear end reveal about Byayuka. You spend the whole of Chapter 1 with questions and speculating about the possible links between DR1 and DR2 and then it's just 'lol nope it's a fake' and it stands out as so separate to the wider mystery it feels like it's there to screw the player around

Glazius posted:

...uh. It's still Nagito. Remember? This was brought up back when Peko did the killing. If there's a mastermind and an accomplice, then the blame falls on the mastermind.

C. Everett Koop posted:

Agency is gone because whoever threw the poison did so without the direct knowledge that what they are doing is going to kill someone.

Podima posted:

Explain it to me like I'm dumb (which I am) - how did Chiaki swiping her ID prior to the murder confirm her as the traitor? I thought the whole point was that nothing happened at the time?

resurgam40 posted:

Pheeeew! And I can finally post in the thread again. I care very deeply about these last two trials, and I didn't want to say anything at all, lest I, in my eagerness, ruin the experience for anyone else. We have entered the high point of the game now, possibly of the entire series... and do you know what it all reminds me of? The Muppets.

*RECORD SCRATCH*

Wait, wait, hang on a minute there, put all of your weapons down, yess you too, in the back, rifle down. This is obviously not me saying that Dangan Ronpa is better then, or even as good as, the majority of the Muppet movies; they're not as good as The Muppet Movie, they're not as good as The Great Muppet Caper, they're not as good as Muppet Treasure Island or the Muppet Christmas Carol (even though I have other, personal issues there), they're not as good...as.... well, they might be as good as The Muppets Take Manhattan, if we're being completely honest, but that's neither here nor there. Nor am I saying that there is any sort of great message that is as sweetly profound or humane within DR as a franchise as most anything the great Jim Henson put his hand to (seriously, if you're not familiar with his body of work, educate yourself; even his "failures" are more conceptually interesting and ambitious than other people's successes... argh, message, stay on message.) No, I speak in terms of general aesthetics and presentation, of presenting something tongue firmly lodged in cheek, something that is obviously not supposed to be taken seriously that you end up taking very seriously indeed because of "teh feels." I'm talking about melodrama, friends, a story in which the principal arc is not one of characters or themes, but one of emotion- a story which bypasses all that silly nonsense of plot and character building to reach right into your chest and start tweaking- to make you laugh, to make you cry, to make you angry, to make you sick. And just as Jim Henson's creations were able to do that in spite of being obvious creations of felt and rubber being surrounded by cameos of every celebrity that says yes, Kodaka was able to do the same for millions by adapting a very particular form of animation style, one deliberately meant to be extremely silly and undercut the dark undertones of the actual story. The purpose of the presentation of both franchises, besides the immediate one of bringing distinction to each of the important characters, is largely the same: to put us off our guard so that we can be hit full force with tragedy , and in the casre of DR, it serves another purpose- to disguise which characters will end up being important, to both the plot, the mysteries being solved, and audience reception. I mean, really: last game we had a guy with a corncob on his head, for god's sake. Would you have thought, upon seeing his character, that he would be among the most popular ones, or that his arc would take the path it did?

Ridiculous... and yet that's the other thing these two franchises have in common: a complete embrace of their ridiculousness, a sincerity in them so direct you cannot help but play along, even if you know intellectually that their messages are incomplete at best. There's a pull so strong it almost becomes bullying in retrospect, and that's because it largely is- "What's that? You don't care about my silly story with the puppets/animes? Well, how about I make you care about it, then? How about I make this story about a journey to find fortune, or just put on one show on one stage, the most important thing in the world? What then, smart guy?" Such an emotional appeal doesn't really seem right for a mystery story, but why would you want to listen to a mystery if they aren't invested in solving it? I just spent the larger part of the morning looking for my keys, and it was very important to me, but something tells me you might not be as invested in it as you are when this moment happened:


I mean, look at that: our hero, in tears, showing more emotion publicly than he ever has before, trying to deny what he already knows is true... not wanting to push a button he has to push if he wants he and his friends to live. He doesn't wan't the next update to come... but we do, don't we? I sure as hell did, back when I played the first time. 1AM and a full day of work tomorrow, but I was not hitting the off button, not until I knew what happened next

Is it cheap, to be so manipulated in a raw, naked, and unapologetic way? Oh, yeah, of course it is. There is a reason why being referred to as "melodramatic" is still seen as largely pejorative... and yet melodramas keep happening, for kids, for housewives, for romantics, for men of action, it keeps coming along in every culture, and we hop on board because sometimes we want to feel something. We want to have a niche we can slip into from time to time, quality, creativity, and even good taste be damned. That's how people are, so let's celebrate. It's time to play the music, it's time to light the lights.