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So I'm almost done watching this show on netflix and am I supposed to like or sympathize with Carol at all? She's a paranoid maniac and for every retarded badass stunt the writers give her there's a multi-episode plot arc where she causes lethal drama for no loving reason, and given her backstory I think they're trying to portray her as "strong"? Like every paranoid murder plot she endeavors on just causes problems. Why hasn't anyone executed her for the greater good? Also she transforms into Knife Badass overnight and with no real explanation. S6E13 and I am dying for these antagonists to cap Carol. I hate every second she is speaking. And apparently she's seen as a popular character? Woah look how strong she is for threatening to kidnap the abused child and abandon him to zombies.
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moist turtleneck posted:I liked how back in the day Carol was like "Yeah I killed them and burned the bodies to limit the spread of the flu" and a bunch of people were like "OMG she's protecting flowers girl That was the best Carol moment, when they put down the psycho child. You know, I always ignored this show cuz it seemed bad, but actually in spite of all the dumb parts I loving love it and bingewatched it all in a few weeks. It bogs down but usually there's some cathartic payoff. I think my biggest real gripe is how for so a character driven show the makn group is pretty stagnant. Carol has been a serial killer since like the jail, Rick is all "CARL" and PTSD, and his only real development from like Lori dying to mid S6 is going back and forth on "stranger danger kill all outsiders" vs "retain our humanity". Daryl is a bit less stagnant and anyway just great enough that he's always fun to watch. Glenn and Maggie went from the great to one-note. The show basically only works by putting the tired main characters into new situations and with new, interesting characters, except they have to keep killing new people to keep the body count up. Also Glenn and Maggie suck in new situations because there's an inevitable "gotta find my wife/husband" arc. I wish they actually killed Carl and/or Glenn when the big zombie army attacked. Seems pretty crazy that hot wife and her dumb kids and politician mom were the only recognizeable casualties of the huge doomsday horde. Bob, Tyrese, Noah, even Beth at the end were all more fun to watch than the main group. Although I think Rick and Maggie are back in my good graces by the end of S6. I wish that cannibal commune was around for longer.
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Carol didn't work for me because one minute she's scared and wifey, the next she's murdering friendlies, then suddenly she's Rambo. Daryl or Rick I can tell where they got their skills, her not so much. Also how dumb all her plots are. Killing the two sick people didn't help. The Wolf did in fact vindicate himself and do good, and Carol's obsession with killing him in the middle of an attack just made her look dumb, she ends up giving him the means go escame. An indistracted Morgan would have beat him right back into submission. But even Morgan himself doesn't point this out ever except right before "confessing" to Rick, and he fails to mention Carol being at fault. Morgan is worse for keeping a prisoner than Carol is for attacking a comrade in the middle of a massive attack? (One of their most proven zombie killers to boot.) Everyone hatîng on Morgan seems dumb. His pacifism has never got anyone hurt or killed, and Rick's close call could just as easily been a group of zombies that anyone would have bypassed. Denice's close call proved Morgan right. On top of that he's proven himself one of the best zombie fighters and survivors in the group- in fact only Carol has spent nearly as much time "out there" alone. And all the poor guy does is advise, he's never shown holding a grudge towards Rick or anyone for killing. Stuff like this makes the show come away with a theme of "trust no one, shoot first" and knowing a lot of concealed-carrying Texas rednecks that love the show and fantasize about disasters so they'll get an opportunity to shoot people...
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Oct 14, 2016 14:17
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xxEightxx posted:Twd is like a rogue like role playing game. Once a character is leveled up they basically become op, doesnt matter if you get the exp from killing zombies or baking and washing clothes. Daryl taking a tank out with a rock or whatever, carol taking down sanctuary, Morgon winning 5v1 with a stick. That's how you know Negan is going to lose, he's been farming all the exp for himself so yea he's tough but his followers are a bunch of lvl 1s. That tank was one of the most disappointing antagonists in this show. Like the dipshits weren't even firing its machine guns, then Daryl runs right up and melees it.
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Oct 14, 2016 17:55
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Gortarius posted:Well well well.... looks like the season is upon us once again. This time they are banking everything on having a CGI tiger. Turns out irish and asians count towards the minority quota pal
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Oct 14, 2016 18:59
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Ego-bot posted:When Morgan first encounters those two Wolves in the forest who try to kill him, he knocks them both out. Instead of leaving them there to get eaten or finishing them off himself he puts them into a car. These two later capture and kill the unnamed red poncho guy and find Aaron's bag of information about Alexandria. The Wolves are alerted to Alexandria's presence, kill many people in that attack and end up attracting a massive zombie horde which kills more people. That's pretty convoluted if it's meant to show "pacifism is wrong". Especially cuz Aaron takes responsibility onscreen. The real culprit is Alexandria's criminal lack of recon and confidentiality. Had any of those other wolves captured Aaron which they almost certainly would have, they'd just kill him and get the info anyway. Meanwhile other than in active combat zones, all Carol's killplots range from neutral to harmful towards her team. Neither Carol or Morgan is correct but everyone is loyal to Carol and shits on Morgan, yet his one fuckup is unknown to anyone onscreen including himself. In particular Carol assaulting Morgan to kill the wolf seems like it should be ground for renewed expulsion, that could've ended up with Carol, Morgan, Denyse, Rosita, governor's-sister-in-law, and Eugene all dying to the wolf/walkers. Also the machine gun sleeve scene and soloing Terminus were hella dumb and I wish Carol was decent. Even a little buildup would've improved her. vintagepurple fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Oct 15, 2016 |
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Rewatching the early episodes in AMC's obligatory marathon, god Glenn and Carol could have been better developed. Early Glenn is a loving delight. I also wish Dale stuck around longer, and T-Dawg may be a caricature but I like him. And I definitely agree Glenn as he played out would be fine getting killed. He hasn't changed in like 3 seasons. And originally him being a wily, nervous rogue type was fun and different, like having him groan at being sent out or when Daryl puts Merle's hand in his pack. Nowadays he's a Rick clone. MUH FAMILY + badass is all his characterization. Also, at some point everyone switches from bats/axes/bigass knives and brutal kills to everyone just stabbing walkers in the head with tiny rear end knives effortlessly. Seems less efficient, harder to do, harder to maintain, more dangerous, and less cool. Fails rule of cool, kills suspension of disbelief, why? Everyone should be carrying blunt instruments and adhoc spears like apparently the bourgeois survivors use, none of this bullshit. lovely spears and shields, conservative sniper cover, and a decent chokepoint and dudes like Rick, Michonne, and Glenn could tank hundreds of walkers. Otis was an angel, should've survived, gotten better at cardio, and moderated Carol and Morgan Imagine wolves, saviors, or tiger king showing up in S2 on the highway vintagepurple fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Oct 16, 2016 |
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Oct 16, 2016 20:45
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Cactus posted:That's the problem though Rick was always a DPS/Support hybrid, but since he lost his main tank Tyreese, he's been trying to take on the role and not doing good. Daryl tries to help sometimes but he's pure DPS so always ends up getting KO'd or losing his healer. A TWD mmorpg that is as racist, sexist, and right-wing as the show and fanbase would be beautiful -black folk are large, brave, and combative-- use them as tanks or dps -asians are small, but quick and crafty-- field them as your dps or support -latinos lack the physical and mental fortitude of other races, but are fiercely hardworking and gain bonuses in a group--choose them for support or tank -whites are a jack of all trades, varied as their skin tone-- they thrive everywhere but especially as leaders You meet a group of skilled survivors in the woods, do you -take them hostage, interrogate, and murder them, and make use of their gear {+light side points} -take them hostage, interrogate them, and leave them as zombie bait -let them join the group, use their skills and retain your humanity {+dark side points} The Cosby Mysteries posted:+1 Strand was pretty awesome so I might give it a chance. Didn't mind Chris either I did like the parallels of drug zombie and literal zombie. The worse teenager on the show was Alicia. Rick lacking a direct foil definitely hurts his character, too. I watched the first season of FTWD and I found Nick way more compelling than anyone else. Banana republic torture dad and tuxedo dude could be cool too, and Chris sucked in the real way that that kind of teenager sucks so he has potential. I sure wish the story wasn't dumb as gently caress. vintagepurple fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Oct 17, 2016 |
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LadyPictureShow posted:They should at least do one of those little web shorts for it. You can also play with zombies freezing in snowbanks and popping up during thaws.
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The preview makes it seem like they're doing a cutting-off-Rick's-right-hand fakeout too. Having the apocalypse be more real on the show, in terms of vehicle breakdown, a transition back to foraging and farming, survivors having to make their own tools and weapons, would make all these bizarre pseudocivilizations like Negan dude's, the wolves, and Tiger Haile Selassie seem less weird and out-of-left field. The world presented is still immediately post-collapse, with fresh supplies for the taking, but everyone's gone batshit like it's been a while. It seems dumb that no one in the group has tried their hand at making a weapon, like a bigass halberd or spear seems pretty well within Daryl's capabilities and they would be great for zombie fighting. Even just putting a machete on the end of a solid stick. I don't want Tactical Realism but since one of the supposed themes of the show is "after the apocalypse", I'd like to see it explored more. Like maybe Rick's group can win a safe niche for themselves as the only capable bullet producers. Maybe fuel is rarer than gold, but silk-road style caravans bring it in from time-time from some fortified refinery in North Dakota. Maybe west texan cowboys go far and wide on horseback at the head of cattle herds, trading salt beef and new homesoun cotton clothing. Maybe some floridian Herschel/Strand pair make a killing sailing fruits and sugar up north during the winter. Peaceful communities start writing books and plays and swapping them. Lin-Manuel Miranda survives by being so dope at freestyle that even the worst villains prefer to keep around as some kind of bard. An NYC gang with a good-guy streak lives on an amish farming village, the gangsters trading protection for food. There could just be a lot more interesting scenarios besides all these murder communes.
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I'm rewatching season 5 and it's not great but Tyreese huddled under that table bleeding out and the weird radio poo poo happening is probably the most touching death for me. RIP Tyreese, you were too good for these assholes.
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I honestly want the current, lame Glenn to die, but I also think that would be a huge copout. Hope they give someone else Glenn's comic death then Glenn himself gets brained as an afterthought with no buildup and Negan's crew bounces.
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delfin posted:It would amuse me greatly if they go right to a timeskip and then you have to figure out who got hit by process of elimination of who they show afterwards. Parting shot S7E16 is a reveal of the dead character's grave, and they are revealed to have been a hallucination by their neares loved one. Season's full of Sixth Sense style misleading scenes. Or Morales from S1 gets dragged out at the last minute.
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Iowa Snow King posted:Getting real tired of these eeny meenie commercials The Negan and especially Rick models from that phone game are utterly unrecognizeable
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Jiro posted:Goddamn it, they're teasing it. Just have it be Glen and be done with it. It's all Rick's death hallucination, the whole season is a Rick's Ladder mindfuck
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Macksy posted:Wow that dishonored ad looks like rear end The video game commercials make TWD look like god-tier storytelling
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Daryl is like the nicest dude left after Tyreese, he's gonna be hosed up
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Ars Arcanum posted:I'm so not looking forward to multiple episodes of a shittily CGI'd loving tiger that somehow survived in the United States zombie apocalypse and became some dude's pet or whatever is up with that. It's prolly gonna be like the GoT wolves that never show up bc the cgi is too expensive to waste on a dumb animal
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I like that Norman Reedus still has Daryl's same greasy rock doo
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Vortex Street posted:They're all over Twitter! If you see a full scene of Glenn's comic death it's somehow worse cuz the first blow knocks his basbeball cap off
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Oct 24, 2016 03:15
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Chris Hardwick just stole a joke from Flight of the Conchords
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MariusLecter posted:It got him this far. Who the gently caress is Chris Hardwick anyway? Like TTD would be more tolerable with jut actors/showrunners chatting, like a posthoc commentary, based on seeing this and one from FTWD
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Super Aggro Crag posted:Oh man, Hardwick is so edgy. I love inaudible bleeped swears on primetime cable talk shows
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VendaGoat posted:The man still has a cult following for Boondock Saints, get the gently caress over yourself. HOLY poo poo imo Reedus is a nice relief from everyone being britishand poo poo, wanna seem take on Hardwick in a drinking game for the host's chair.
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Orange Red Bull posted:I tried to watch that once because of Norman but couldnt get into it, I still think hes a cool dude and a good actor There needs to be a scene where Daryl and Rick try accents, Rick's is actual and Daryl's is a laffo Boondock Saints one
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Reedus chucks his umbrella into the crowd, to applause. Aaron's actor's only question is about how totally sick Glenn's makeup was
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Calling it: Negan trashes Tiger Kingdom before Rick kills him eventually, only our heroes escape, except for Aaron.
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YMMV, but I didn't think this was more exploitative than the average level of gore here, it just happened to more beloved characters in a really uncomfortable environment. Which I think was necessary, they want to break the audience the way Rick is broken. Beating Negan is going to be a lot more satisfying than beating the Governor. Also I don't see it similar at all to Hostel or Saw, or think it's going to be commonplace from here on out. Have y'all seen those films? Hell, "dying character desperately tries to speak while others sob around him, helpless, is like three scenes in Saving Private Ryan, which I personally find more offputting. Not to mention the knife fight scene. But yeah, torture-porn this was not, because in torture porn horror the grossout is the end goal, here, at least a strong argument can be made that it's shown to get the audience to empathasize with how broken the survivors are. Which, hey, is probably one of the reasons Saving Private Ryan gets stronger reactions than older war movies that just "pew-pew, scream, now he's dead, no blood."
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Why is the kingdom the only group smart enough to make armor or spears. Like even strapping cardboard or plastic to yourself could stop a single bite, giving you time to respond. Or just wearing a thick coat when you're expecting zombie contact.
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At first I thought saviors were coming and that was way tenser than zombies. Rick just strolling through them, lol
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How much time is actually supposed to have passed since S1?
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spudsbuckley posted:My theory is that Rick recognised someone from the past in the group who he knows will help him get rid of Negan. Someone quote this when i'm right! Fat mexican dude and family from season 1.
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