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Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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Like if he thinks I'm bad he could had have me stump so i can't do anything anymore right

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Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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Asiina posted:

Quid, you gave him a rolecop, didn't you?

No, that isn't one of my items.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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Quidthulhu posted:

First of all it's an item I hand out, I don't get to use them.

Secondly it has to be used on a dead person. It brings them back as a stump.

This is why I was incredibly suspicious of PMach because her poo poo seemed directly to contradict my item. It's also why I think she was modkilled; since there was a potential for someone in that dead-doc to re-enter the thread, that's game breaking.

Oh

But that sounds useful you should had used it

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

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Grimey Drawer

That's what happened.

Because CPig did visit PMach, and he knew she was empowered before Dick confirmed it.

If he did roleblock her, would she have known it? I dunno cause it was an always on role.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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Asiina posted:

That's what happened.

Because CPig did visit PMach, and he knew she was empowered before Dick confirmed it.

If he did roleblock her, would she have known it? I dunno cause it was an always on role.

What? How would he have known from a rolecop she had activated her empowered role? That doesn't make any sense.

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

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Grimey Drawer

He said she had some other part to her role that was due to her being empowered.

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

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Grimey Drawer

CapitalistPig posted:



I will say since apparently it doesn't matter now.

Pmachs second thing was a 1 shot lie detector from her being empowered.

I think snooze is probably scum at this point given todays events combined with my action last night. Would also vote quid.

TMMadman
Sep 9, 2003

He will be injured, but in the World Series he will be raised from the DL. And the Indians were filled with grief.



I mean is it possible that Dick is scum that has to empower town on odd days?

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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There is absolutely no confirmation that what CPig said about her empowered role was true:

Propaganda Machine posted:

Zuh?

What's the second part to my role? I'm only aware of what I've claimed in thread.

Propaganda Machine posted:

Alright, I just checked my PMs. I... THINK I see what you're after.

He claims her 1-shot role AFTER she has been modkilled, and it's not included in her PMs.

I think he hosed up, got lucky, and ran with it after she died.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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TMMadman posted:

I mean is it possible that Dick is scum that has to empower town on odd days?

Do we have a list of who he has empowered on what day?

Dick, what did you do last night?

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

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Grimey Drawer

TMMadman posted:

I mean is it possible that Dick is scum that has to empower town on odd days?

I mean...maybe, but it doesn't explain the two roleblocks from Quid and Capps yesterday.

I wish we knew how people being empowered changed their role.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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Asiina posted:

I mean...maybe, but it doesn't explain the two roleblocks from Quid and Capps yesterday.

I wish we knew how people being empowered changed their role.

Dick, do you get any confirmation on what happens with your empowering?

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

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Grimey Drawer

Quidthulhu posted:

There is absolutely no confirmation that what CPig said about her empowered role was true:



He claims her 1-shot role AFTER she has been modkilled, and it's not included in her PMs.

I think he hosed up, got lucky, and ran with it after she died.

Yeah his claim could have been complete bullshit, but the fact is that he knew she was empowered before Dick said that's what he did. Whether it was a rolecop or a watch or a track or dick is also scum, I don't know but he knew where Dick went that night.

TMMadman
Sep 9, 2003

He will be injured, but in the World Series he will be raised from the DL. And the Indians were filled with grief.



Asiina posted:

I mean...maybe, but it doesn't explain the two roleblocks from Quid and Capps yesterday.

I wish we knew how people being empowered changed their role.

Well, Cpig was a scum roleblocker and Dick empowered him on N2, so it's possible that CPig was able to roleblock twice?

But then, which scum would make the kill?

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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Or what if Dick is an empowerer / 2nd roleblocker?

TMMadman
Sep 9, 2003

He will be injured, but in the World Series he will be raised from the DL. And the Indians were filled with grief.



I still think it has to be one of Quid/Snooze and I'm leaning towards Quid.

Snooze did feel pretty honest on D2 when she thought I was scum.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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Asiina posted:

N3
Asiina watched KB, nobody visited
Capps was roleblocked (tried to redirect pig to quid)
Madman tracked CPig to PMach
CPig ??? PMach
Dick empowers PMach
KB doctors Madman
Quid was roleblocked (tried to give item to Dick)
fv - ???

What if....

Dick is scum w/ CPig and FV and has to target town N3.

Dick and FV both target SSV, thinking an empower on a town they're killing is gonna be fine.

SSV, as confirmed town, turns into a PGO from the empower AFTER SSV visits but BEFORE FV kills goes through, in the order of Somber's action resolution.

FV dies to the PGO, explaining her flip.

Pig then fucks up his claim but PMach finds something vague in her PMs and then dies.

Dick comes in and with outed tracking and watching, claims a safe empower on the now dead PMach.

That would explain the strange FV death.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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The kill is from the secret third party, we been through this.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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Snooze Cruise posted:

The kill is from the secret third party, we been through this.

Who in the world would that be

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

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Grimey Drawer

N2 I think is pretty important.

N2
Asiina watches SSV, sees KB
Capps is roleblocked
Madman tracks Asiina N1 to SSV
CPig Roleblocks Capps
Dick empowers CPig
fv - ???
KB doctors SSV
Quid gives an item to Dick
Pod's action failed (roleblocked)

Pod gets roleblocked and fv claims she is responsible, so she's covering for a scumbro. CPig has an item roleblock and his regular roleblock, but he's not empowered yet. He's still a regular roleblocker.

So then how is Capps roleblocked?

I don't think she is.

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

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Grimey Drawer

Like if fv hadn't said anything, we may be able to write it off as Pod failing some other way, but she claims she did it and why would she do that if she wasn't covering. So a scum had to do it.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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Pig claims to get the item roleblock, but another scum team member got it.

TMMadman
Sep 9, 2003

He will be injured, but in the World Series he will be raised from the DL. And the Indians were filled with grief.



Snooze Cruise posted:

Pig claims to get the item roleblock, but another scum team member got it.

This was my thought yesterday and why I decided to track Quid.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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Snooze Cruise posted:

Pig claims to get the item roleblock, but another scum team member got it.

Who would have used it, though? Everyone's action is accounted for.

King Burgundy
Sep 17, 2003

I am the Burgundy King,
I can do anything!

So coming into this day, the biggest problem I have is that Snooze and Quid both claimed to be roleblocked.

Cpig, the flipped roleblocker, was tracked to Pmach.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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HOLY poo poo WAIT A MINUTE

King Burgundy
Sep 17, 2003

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Right now I'm thinking they are both bad guys.

One 3p, one Scum.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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Quid, what did your stuff said when you got block

King Burgundy
Sep 17, 2003

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I doc'd asiina last night btw. Or tried to.

So Snooze is telling the truth about the redirect. Maybe she refrained from killing since a plan was already established in thread.

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

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Grimey Drawer

So fv really does block Quid...

But then it means neither Quid nor Capps are scum, and that still doesn't explain yesterday with two roleblocks.

There was a kill N3 and 2 roleblocker claims, but there were only 2 scum.

Unless the empower?

loving empowerers.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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What if Capps is a scum usurper and killed FV N2?????????

FV IS THE loving GODFATHER

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

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Grimey Drawer

I'm so confused right now.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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Yeah i do suspect a scum usuper, somber has used those, but of course it isn't me.

Also its the hidden 3rd party

King Burgundy
Sep 17, 2003

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Also, I was empowered last night.

Right now I'm thinking any killer(s) chose not to do it last night.

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

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Grimey Drawer

Maybe empower on scum means they get to kill and use their power on the same night?

It's so hard cause it's such a variable role.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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Couldn't fv actually poisoned herself to help a usper imo

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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Quid when you got block did your stuff mentioned getting loss

TMMadman
Sep 9, 2003

He will be injured, but in the World Series he will be raised from the DL. And the Indians were filled with grief.



We have to remember that both flipped scum had two individual abilities. So the third scum is also likely to have two abilities as well.

King Burgundy
Sep 17, 2003

I am the Burgundy King,
I can do anything!

Also, no poison death last night, so either FV didn't poison on N2 or she poisoned TMM and I saved him or there is something else we still don't understand.

Could still be one more outstanding tonight from N3.

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Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

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SSV has a two night poison delay or KB stopped it from happening on N2 or whatever so SSV is dying during N3. Capps goes "oh yeah sure I'll kill whoever, don't worry guys" and offs FV instead to fulfill her win condition while simultaneously sowing all sorts of confusion with the random rear end scum death we can't account for. Cpig roleblocks me with a second empowered roleblock, Snooze claims she wasn't able to do anything in the night.

It makes total loving sense.

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