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Rangpur posted:Are those photoshops, or is one of you making pixel art from scratch? Friend's drawing them from scratch. Same friend that drew our co-op commentary portraits, actually. (This went beyond the level of asking for a favor so I "commissioned" him for this--his asking price was a copy of Dangan Ronpa 2.  )quote:I never knew that about the FOE naming scheme in Japanese, and I thought I knew everything about these games. Suppose this also explains why the three dragon superbosses have names consisting of like 8 different kanji. Oh man you're gonna love some of the Cestus Spec 2 skill names and the final boss's name. I'm gonna borrow something Hivac said and describe them all as "extreme kanji soup." Rea fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Oct 28, 2016 |
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Update 3: Eventualities DLC grinding quests to the rescue. The text for the quest is pretty inconsequential--it basically can be summed up as "a wizard gave you a magic ring." Yep. ("Obtained Wait a minute HOW MUCH EXP IS THAT So you not only get the Gross Badge for this quest, but turning it in also gives a giant lump of EXP that scales up based on what stratum you're in. It's an LP author's dream come true! You also get a Holy Gift consumable for it, which multiplies all EXP gain for one battle by 1.5x. Yawn. There's also a money equivalent, Explorer fortune program, which is fantastic, because I need to get new equipment for the new party. ("Obtained Same deal as the EXP one--just fight a battle with this thing on. The Drop Cameo, though, is something I actually will keep on someone for normal exploration. Firstly, it gives 20 LUC--a great boost for disabler characters. Secondly, it forces all drop rates to be 100%. It's not a permanent Formaldehyde, mind you--it doesn't auto-fulfill conditional drop flags, although it does force a 100% drop rate for any conditional drops that are less than 100%. Basically it takes a lot of the frustration out of grinding for certain drops, and I'm leaving this thing on Magda for now. Anyway, initial skill builds for our new party. I'll preface this by saying that...uh, okay, this is embarrassing, but I forgot to put any points into race/Union skills. Across the entire update. WHOOPS! Alexis puts four points into Predict. Predict is basically a one-turn Provoke/Taunt/Dragon's Roar (whatever you want to call it). On top of drawing enemy aggro, it also gives a massive evasion bonus. There's downsides, though! Each time the user dodges an attack, their evasion and chance to be targeted go down. On top of this, it also makes the user take an extra 250% damage on top of any damage they receive if they fail to dodge an attack. For all intents and purposes, Predict is the bread-and-butter skill for dodge-tank Fencers, which is what I'm building Alexis to be. He also puts one point in Vision Thrust, which deals melee stab damage to one enemy, and attempts to inflict blind. At level 1, it costs 5 TP, deals 150% damage, and has a 50% base blind chance. It's something for Alexis to do if he doesn't need to use Predict, and it can combo decently well with Dark Smoke. Lastly, he tosses 3 points into Sylphid. Sylphid is a passive, and gives Alexis a chance to counter-attack enemies whenever he dodges attacks. At level 3, Sylphid deals 56% damage, has a 70% base chance to activate, and can activate a maximum of two times per turn. Jana's build is quite a bit simpler. She puts 5 points into Armor Penetrate, which deals melee stab damage to one enemy, and reduces their physical defense for a set amount of turns. At level 5, it deals 152% damage, reduces defense by 25%, and lasts for 4 turns. She also puts 3 points into Mist Slice, which deals melee cut damage to one enemy, and attempts to inflict sleep on them. At level 3, it deals 180% damage, has a 40% base sleep chance, and has a 120% speed modifier. The speed modifier goes down at levels 5 and 10, which is actually beneficial when dealing with sleep. Lanzon puts 2 points into Ghost Summoning, which eats 15% of his current HP to summon a ghost, with an HP bonus. At level 2, it costs 5 TP, and gives ghosts an extra 8% max HP. He also tosses one point into The Price of Life, which destroys one ghost, and restores all party members' HP. At level 1, it costs 12 TP, and has 130% healing power. You'll notice that high TP costs are a pretty big thing with Necromancers! He also puts three points into Gravekeeping Knowledge, which, at level 3, gives him a 12% chance to summon a ghost if he doesn't take damage for one turn. 1 point also goes into Ghost Reincarnation, which gives a 15% chance to summon a ghost when one is destroyed (maybe killed, too?) in battle. Lastly, to give him something to do besides summoning ghosts and healing, he puts one point into Fire Bomb, which destroys one ghost, and deals 120% ranged INT-based fire damage to all enemies. How much does this skill cost, you might ask? Oh, not much, only 15 TP. Upon reflection, I should've gone for Poison Bomb (above Fire Bomb), which could've comboed decently with Poison Smoke. Mio puts a whopping 5 points into Prayer Mastery. Those of you who were here for EO2U, remember Song Mastery on Troubadours? Same thing here. Prayer Mastery increases the speed modifiers for and reduces the TP cost of Prayer skills. At level 5, it multiplies speed by 1.15x, has a base subtraction of 2 TP, and a TP cost multiplier of 0.9x. She also puts 1 point into Prayer: Eradication, which buffs all party members' attack. At level 1, it costs 10 TP (7 with her current Prayer Mastery level), and buffs attack by 21%. I'm comfortable leaving it at level 1 for a while, honestly, since it only goes up by 6% to 27% at levels 4/5, and a further 8% to 35% at levels 9/10. Lastly, she puts two points into Prayer: Blaze, which increases all party members' resistance to fire, as well as adding a fire element to their normal attacks, for a few turns. At level 2, it increases resistance by 28%, lasts 4 turns, and costs 15 TP (11 with her current Prayer Mastery level). I don't think much of the elemental Prayers on their own, but I'm putting points into them to get Oracle: Dance. Lastly, Magda. She tosses one point into Cure Herb and Refresh Herb, for emergencies. Similarly, she'll eventually learn Resurrection Herb for emergencies. Besides that, she also puts two points into Poison Smoke. At level 2, Poison Smoke costs 6 TP, and has a 40% base chance to inflict poison on one row of enemies, with 60 base poison damage. It multiplies the chance of further poison inflictions by 1.22x. Dark Smoke does the same thing, but with blind. At level 4, it costs 6 TP, has a 35% base chance to inflict blind, and multiplies the chance of further blind inflictions by 1.28x. Everyone's initial equipment isn't too interesting, aside from me forging an Ice Bat Sword on Mio--yes, Mio, not Alexis (Shamans can equip swords)--which gives her access to level 1 Cold Wave, which deals 70% INT-based ice damage to one enemy. It also costs a measly 1 TP, so, hey, it gives her something to do after she casts Prayer: Eradication. (Floor subtitle: "Beasts prowl in the depths of the woods") If we come back here at night, we'll get the Moonstone. We were introduced to the illusionary walls on the last floor, and they're the primary gimmick of this floor. Red Forest Turtle HP: 142 STR: 27 INT: 21 VIT: 28 WIS: 19 AGI: 13 LUC: 15 Skills:
Disable Resistances: Red Forest Turtles serve only to be an annoyance. Just kill whatever enemies are also in the battle first, since you'll kill them way before you kill the turtle. (Mio used Prayer: Eradication.) (Lanzon used Ghost Summoning.) (Magda used Dark Smoke.) Note that even if a Smoke skill inflicts its ailment, it still applies the debuff portion as well. (Lanzon activated Gravekeeping Knowledge.) (Mio used Cold Wave.) I mentioned this earlier, but Cold Wave is the equipment skill attached to Mio's Ice Bat Fang. At level 1, it deals 70% INT-based ice damage for 1 TP. 70% INT-based damage at her current INT means that, when not hitting a turtle, Mio deals about the same damage that Alexis does with a normal attack. Oh, right, almost forgot to mention: much like panic, petrification completely disables evasion. (Lanzon used Fire Bomb with Ghost B.) Ghosts will either do nothing or attack at the end of each turn. Their attacks deal absolutely pitiful bash damage, and attempt to inflict paralysis, with some unknown-yet-ludicrously-low base chance. You might have noticed that battle took 6 turns. Yeah, uh, it kinda turns out that this party takes forever to kill things. The event changes based on if the target of the event or someone else in the party knows Acrobatics, a race skill that both Therians and Brownies can learn. If the target knows Acrobatics, they dodge the dart. If someone else knows Acrobatics, they'll pull the target out of the way. "What the forest hides Despite being warned ahead of time, you were unable to deal with the trap." (Obtained: 1 Coiled Vine.) 3F, C2 Chop Point
Chop items usually make equipment. Nothing too spectacular here. ("Obtained We'll need to come back during the night to get the Moonstone. Rampaging Owlbeasts (hereafter "Owlbears") are our first aggressive FOEs. Their pattern is incredibly simple: they just chase you down, and take the shortest path to you from where they are. Circling around areas like this one is the easiest way to get around simple-aggressive FOEs. We can't do this event yet--we need someone that knows Woodland Searching Skills. (Obtained: 1 Ivy Covered Bark.) 3F, F5 Chop Point
This is a...pretty roundabout way of making a shortcut. "Dispel the Lunarians' glamour! A group of golems is blocking the way past the 1st Stratum. This must have something to do with the Lunarian glamour. In order to open the way forward, we'd like you to dispel this magic." Pretty standard "beat the first boss" mission. We also have now reported 10 different types monsters, and got 3 Nectars for our trouble. Not much from this trip to the shop. I upgraded Jana's starting heavy armor to Tortoise Armor. I want her and Alexis as durable as possible, since we don't have Sasha with us and Alexis can only use Predict so many times. I also forge the hell out of Magda's Lactarius Staff. Can't forge Mio's sword, unfortunately, because I don't want to use Bronze Ingots on it and I don't have any more Pierced Fangs. Uh-oh. Giganto Roper HP: 432 STR: 37 INT: 23 VIT: 28 WIS: 26 AGI: 24 LUC: 28 Skills:
Disable Resistances: This is where the 1st Stratum starts throwing really drat mean encounters at you. Giganto Ropers can take a hell of a beating, with 432 HP, and they're very much capable of screwing up over half of your party with Great Tangle and Cut Away. If there's a Ghost Acorn in the battle, too, your best bet is honestly to just run away, since Toss will wipe out your front line and potentially most of your back line. Having two turtles in the encounter makes things really annoying, since they take forever to kill. (Alexis used Vision Thrust.) (Giganto Roper used Cut Away.) (Sylphid activated two times.) (Magda used Poison Smoke on the back row.) There's that paralysis I mentioned earlier. (Jana used Mist Slice.) Having your Smoke Herbalist know the basic healing skills is useful for bad situations. (Gravekeeping Knowledge.) I really hope this thing doesn't bind too many legs. (Giganto Roper used Great Tangle.) Insert the inverse of "byeah" here. (Giganto Roper used Cut Away.) poo poo. Well, gently caress, we're in pretty bad shape now. And this thing's just barely below 50% HP. Oh, sweet merciful gods, it just tried to use Great Tangle again. (Lanzon used The Price of Life with Ghost A.) Okay, we're in fighting condition again. The Price of Life is really useful for emergencies like that, especially early on, where Herbalists are limited to Line Herb at most, and Somas are in short supply. Goddammit, leave it to me to have someone get hit by Cut Away while not bound. (Received: 2 Chipped Tortoise Shells, 1 Thick Vine, 1 Bound Vine.) My beautiful sycned EXP bars, ruined by annoying random encounters... Rea fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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Update 3 Part 2 Our choices are "So what happened to the inn?" and "Are you starting a bakery now?" Exactly one line of dialogue changes from this. Talking to Genetta again lets us actually have her bake something. We can either give her Labyrinth Wheat, or Labyrinth Wheat plus Labyrinth Berries. Let's opt for the latter. Just toss in as many as I can. ("Obtained 5 quote:
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She gives us a Whitebread (what we'd get if we only gave her Wheats) for every Animal Meat, and a Berry Crepe for every Labyricanth. Inside this room is an Owlbear we can't get around yet. Oh gently caress off. This encounter's goddamn mean and this party doesn't make it any better. ("Jana attempts to escape!") Escaping got massively buffed in EO5 after taking huge nerfs in EO4 and the Untolds. You can fairly reliably escape--having the entire party fail to run is a really big anomaly in EO5. I upgrade Jana's starting katana to a Shell Tanto. I also toss a Vine Armor on Alexis. Anyway, let's go grab the Moonstone. The text is basically the same as the Sunstone. ("Obtained It was at this point that I remembered to take care of Rare breed hunter!, too. The next fight we start is forced to this encounter group: Rare breeds make a return from EO4 and the Untolds. Rare breeds gain a massive speed bonus compared to normal monsters (although not priority--you can outspeed them with sufficiently fast characters), and a...I want to say around 1.5x damage bonus. They're significantly more dangerous than normal random encounters, and some normally-slow monsters can seriously ruin your day if rare breeds of them spawn, but... They also quintuple the EXP that the enemy does normally. Balloon Flying Squirrels normally give out 50 EXP each, so the rare breed one gave us 150 EXP. And, yes, before you ask, FOEs can be rare breeds, too. Fighting them is almost always a bad idea unless you're way above where you should be to take them on normally. I opt for more Fire Bomb levels because combining Poison Bomb with Poison Smoke hadn't occurred to me. Fire Bomb gains 7% extra damage at level 2. Prayer: Blaze gives 3% extra resistance at level 3, 31% from 28%. Woooooo. Let's turn in those two quests. To finish Sunstone, Moonstone, we need to talk to Thaddeus. Thaddeus: Welcome back. I'm very glad to see you unharmed. Any luck finding the Sunstone and Moonstone? ("Handed over Sunstone and Moonstone.") Thaddeus: So, these are them... Truly beautiful. I can almost feel this "eternal happiness" they're reported to grant. Thaddeus: Oh, excuse me. The truth is, they say there's something special about these stones. "A pair of wedding rings made from a Sunstone and a Moonstone will ensure your eternal happiness." ...My apologies for being personal, but, my wedding is coming up soon, so I put up that request thinking I'd put some stock in that old legend. Thaddeus: Thank you so much. Now I just need to find an engraver to make the rings themselves. I am in your collective debt. If you'd like, you may consider this an open invitation to the wedding. I'll be off now. ("Obtained 3 Hey, I'll take it. ("Obtained 600 en.") Decent amount of money for early on, even with the DLC money quest at my disposal. Sylphid now has a 100% base chance to activate, and can counter a maximum of 3 times per turn. Fire Bomb now deals 134% damage, an extra 7% from level 2. Mio starts tossing points into Prayer: Cold Rain, which is identical to Prayer: Blaze, except for being ice instead of fire. Magda puts two points into Smoke Rot. Smoke Rot reduces one row of enemies' elemental defense--it only reduces it by a pitiful amount if they don't have a Smoke debuff, though. At level 2, it reduces defense by a measly 5% if the target has no Smoke debuff, and 22% if they do. Anyway, back to it. We can't get past this Owlbear when we enter this room from this direction. Incidentally, I forgot to show off a fairly big feature of both Ghost Summoning and Dog/Hawk Whistle: you can use them out of battle. Our only way forward is through here. Hey, look, another one of these things. This one'll de-wall the other door into that room we were just in. ("Obtained "Nonchalant danger You ran into trouble with moth larvae when investigating an abandoned bag. You are once again reminded of the danger of the Labyrinth." Quick stop in town after a bad encounter. Also did one level of forging on Jana's Shell Tanto because why not. Anyway, yeah, we can get in this room without the Owlbear blocking our way now. ("Obtained That door is our ticket for going forward. This golem statue'll unblock the wall directly below us. Which means we can use this area to juke the Owlbear and get to the next statue. This isn't the "next" statue, but it does unlock the treasure room all the way back at the start. THIS is the "next" statue. Which leads us to this statue, which'll unlock the door to the small unmapped area on the left. These two got level ups from a boring encounter. Fire Bomb now deals 141% damage. I'm gonna leave it there for a while, since 15 TP is bad enough as is. 22 would drain Lanzon dry in just a few casts. Slowly chipping towards Oracle: Dance. ("Obtained Deals ranged INT-based volt damage to one enemy. Not interested. ("Obtained Okay, now this is slightly interesting. Remember Combat Study from EO3, that generic passive that gave a percentage of any EXP gained to anyone that knew it, even if they weren't in the party? This is an item version of that--it gives 10% of any EXP gained to whoever wears it. 10% might not sound like much, but remember that party members already only get 20% of any battle EXP. Not that useful for me, since I have super easy grinding methods, but c'est la vie. And here's the last golem we need to move forward. No, Woodland Searching Skills won't help here. We'll come back here for a quest later. Boom, we're done with 3F. Back to town we go. Forge up! Now that we have a fully forged weapon, I can also show the Recycle function. Basically, you can take any +5 forged weapon and have Ceric break it down, which'll delete the weapon and give you Ingot Scraps for a certain type. 10 Ingot Scraps of one type create one Ingot. What type of Ingot Scraps you get is hardcoded per-weapon, but they generally follow a pattern:
Quest time. #1: Proof of your growth: It's as simple as it sounds, really. Slightly less annoying than the EO2U equivalent, where you had to get the first FOE's conditional drop. This party could actually probably take a Crawler on, once they get a few more levels. #2: The elusive Giganto Roper: Patrons. Note that when I use numbers, they correspond to new patrons. #1: Dark-skinned male Dragoon: *scoff* So you're the ones saying they got to the 4th floor so easily...? What's with those drat monkeys?! No one told me that they'd be pulling their little monkey-see monkey-do routine on the Roper too! Little sons of- Next time, I'm killing the Roper first, let's see them deal with that! Can't copy the dead! #2: Purple-haired lady Fencer: Fencer: Oh, if it isn't Nameless! I caught sight of a gigantic snake-like lobster on the 4th floor! I wonder if it was protecting its territory? It was able to freely enter the water, but only ever spun in circles in the same area. It didn't seem to pay us any mind at all, but we certainly needed to keep track of its movements to advance. But such a large lobster... Doesn't it just make you want to see how it tastes? #3: Frowning Brownie: Brownie: Those drat Earthrun are terrible, always making a fool outta me. There I was, hoppin' like a bunny to pick some berries, and you know what happened? Some Earthrun comes up and snatches 'em, just like that. And hands them to me! With a frickin' smile! And the worst part is, I reflexively thanked them for it! Bastards! Always lookin' down on me... If you sympathize at all, then lend me some of your height! And, before we go, Melina's dialogue. Remus starts talking as soon as we enter. ("Obtained Oh, there's more. ("Obtained At this point, I swapped out the party so I could get Skunk Cabbage to complete an earlier quest. ("Obtained 3 Sylphid counterattacks now deal 63% damage, and it has a 105% base chance to activate. Armor Penetrate now hits for 176% damage. Lastly, Smoke Rot now reduces magic defense by 6% if the enemy has no Smoke debuff, and 31% if they do. That'll do for now. Next time: 4F. Rea fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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I'm bad at math okay (fixed)
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Item Getter posted:You guys I'm pretty sure it's "Growth Badge" not "Gross Badge".... That does sound more reasonable, yeah. I figured Gross Badge was a really weird name but I blanked on alternatives. Rea fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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Item Getter posted:Love what you are doing with the ghosts by the way. Poltergrift deserves credit for coming up with the amazing ghost backstories. Gonna go ahead and actually toss that in the second post.
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If I wasn't stuck on my phone until I have to catch a train, I'd toss those in the 2nd post right this instant. They look fantastic!
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I rely super heavily on TEC/INT-based and elemental damage in EO games, probably a lot moreso than most people, so something like Smoke Rot is extremely for me.
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Part of the difficulty in this update was just everyone having kind of bad equipment. Jana still had her starting katana up until the Shell Tanto purchase and Alexis and Lanzon still had their starting weapons at the end. I actually upgrade stuff in update 4 and immediately the difference is noticeable. I wouldn't say ignorance is an excuse, but applying my own personal playstyle is.
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Update 4: Useless Crayfish (Floor subtitle: "Trapped by statues blocking the path") Poison Leech HP: 296 STR: 27 INT: 22 VIT: 24 WIS: 21 AGI: 25 LUC: 26 Skills:
Disable Resistances: Poison Leeches can be pretty dangerous in large groups, since Leech Poison hurts quite a lot, and at our current max HP levels, even chip damage plus the poison can kill someone. Their normal attacks hurt a little, too. Remember that Lanzon is in the back row and gets a 50% damage reduction. (Poison Leech used Leech Poison.) Ouch. (Mio used Therica B.) (Magda used Refresh Herb.) (Received 3 Spongy Skins.) ("Obtained "What lurks in the darkness You fumbled around in darkness, and received a rude welcome from its residents." Berry Crepes restore a fairly decent chunk of HP and TP. Red Iron Crayfishes (yes, crayfishes, EO4 veterans) just patrol a rectangular area back and forth. Their extra gimmick, however, is that they can enter water tiles at will! We can choose between walking away, or having someone mimic throwing an apple. I predicted overhand. ("Obtained No, that wasn't an Adventure Episode. Earthruns result in this: Yes, the target does restore 1 TP from this. Lunarians and Brownies result in this: Therians that don't know Feats of Strength result in this: We'll be coming back here shortly, after Jana learns Feats of Strength. EO5 does not wait very long before it starts tossing incredibly goddamn rude encounter formations at you. Remember Genetta talking about how Forest Monkeys can participate in Giganto Roper formations? That can happen. It doesn't here, because I immediately murder that goddamn monkey before it can do anything, but it can. ...Anyway, I'd argue that the monkey imitating Giganto Roper actions instead of being fused into it is worse, though. Two Cut Aways when your party's legs are bound is TPK territory. We got a Thick Vine from that fight, so we can turn in The elusive Giganto Roper. ("Obtained 3 Lanzon puts a point in Grace of the Moon, since he has pretty bad TP issues. Mio, meanwhile, puts a point into Defense Order, the first Union skill I've leveled up. Defense Order requires two people to use, and reduces all damage to the party by 50% for one turn. In the earlygame, where 50% is the difference between a light scratch and death, Defense Order is powerful, and it still has some uses late in the game. Brownies get a lot of the defensive Unions. At level 15, they gain access to Hygieia's Cup, almost unchanged from EO4--fully heals the party, purges ailments and binds, revives dead party members. At level 20, they get Aegis Shield, which completely nullifies all attacks on the party for one turn. I bought a Rib Coffin for Lanzon, and forged it once. The rotating golem statues are our gimmick for 4F and 5F, although they're not really too complex or even that involved on 4F. What the gently caress Jana learns Feats of Strength. Let's go back to the skipping stones event, shall we? This thing's not actually a real FOE, but whatever. Injured Crayfish HP: 984 STR: 33 INT: 33 VIT: 26 WIS: 24 AGI: 23 LUC: 22 Skills:
Disable Resistances: Basically a really toned down version of Red Iron Crayfishes. Nothing too bad here, although that doesn't mean you should get careless. (Magda used Smoke Rot. Not pictured: casting Dark Smoke on the previous turn.) (Mio used Prayer: Cold Rain.) I lay down Cold Rain to lessen Ice Slicer once it comes out. That's how much actually decent equipment plus Smoke Rot helps, by the way. Remember that Fire Bomb dealt maybe 50 damage or so per cast before. (Injured Crayfish used Ice Slicer.) That would've probably killed Jana if I hadn't put Prayer: Cold Rain down. "Skipping stones! While skipping stones, you accidentally hit a monster, enraging it. Regardless, you defeat it." Alexis learns Woodland Gathering Skills, while Magda learns Grace of the Wind. The pillar is blocking our path, so we have to rotate the statue. Not really rocket science. "Tranquility You decided to take a break in a breezy location, and momentarily rested your weary bodies." To finish the floor, we have to rotate this statue. Then this one. Then rotate this one back so we can get through. And we're done. Back to town. Rea fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Nov 8, 2016 |
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Update 4 Part 2 Alexis upgrades to a Scramasax. Forging, too. Cold Wave now deals 6% more damage, putting it at 76% INT-based damage. New quests. #1: The house of Griffon: The monocle man is a bar patron. We'll get to him in a bit. #2: Vermin extermination: ("Obtained ("Obtained #3: New menu development journal: #4: Genetta's big adventure: Onto the bar patrons. #1: Silver-haired, monocled gentleman: Gentleman: So, are you here about my request? Gentleman: I see. Thank you. Getting right to the point, I have a daughter. I tried to raise her as a noble, but...for whatever reason, she rebelled, and ran away from home. Gentleman: I later heard she became an explorer. The news came from a guild who happened to catch sight of an explorer who resembled my daughter, and was wearing one of our family treasures. A helmet with the symbol of a griffon. ...With that in mind, I'd like you to find my daughter. She was spotted on the 5th floor, so begin your search there. #2: Dark-skinned male Dragoon: Dragoon: *scoff* So you think you're gonna just waltz through the 5th floor and clear the stratum, easy as pie? Dragoon: Ha! Ever seen one of those Giganto Ropers throw acorns at you? It freaking hurts! There's not much you can do about it but guard the attack, or try to kill the nut first... #3 is just Hansuke. I don't need his info. Before we go, Melina's dialogue. Remus starts talking as soon as we enter. ("Obtained Remus asks us the same question as last time. We say no again. Genetta starts talking as soon as we enter the inn. Eh, let's go take care of it. When we leave the inn, Genetta says this: Due to Clarste's absence today, I would like to crib from a note he left in the text archive and mention that Genetta literally says "roger" in English. ("Genetta has joined your party as a guest.") Genetta's basically just an extra target for Union skills. She has no weapon equipped, and her skillset makes no sense. She's a Hound, and knows Animal Therapy...but doesn't actually know Dog or Hawk Whistle.  Rampaging Owlbeast HP: 2356 STR: 43 INT: 35 VIT: 32 WIS: 29 AGI: 24 LUC: 28 Skills:
Disable Resistances: Alexis's job is to use Predict until I blind the Owlbear. Jana'll use Armor Penetrate to start, and then reapply it every 4 turns. Lanzon'll spam Fire Bomb once I apply Smoke Rot. Mio casts Prayer: Eradication. That's basically how she opens every fight. And Dark Smoke for Magda. Perfect. Might as well have him chip in some damage now. Don't really want to override the blind with sleep, so I'm holding off on Mist Slice. And now Mio spams Cold Wave. (Rampaging Owlbeast used Bear Hug.) And now it's Fire Bomb spam time. Here's our average damage output per turn. Chewing through 2300 HP will take a bit. Case in point. Now that the blind ran out, I replaced it with poison. Alexis switches over to Predict. Slowly inching towards this thing's death. Couple more turns of the same later, and the thing's near death. The blind accumulative resistance should be running out by this point. Before that, though, Mist Slice. Huh. First try. And now we're good. Until that happens. That's one of the really serious weaknesses of dodgetank Fencer--they only help so much with splash damage, and do basically nothing against row or party target skills. (Received: 1 Brown Feather.) ("Obtained Hey, look, garbage in artillery form. The Paralyze Mortar has a measly +10 ATK/MATK, and gives a 20% base chance for normal attacks to inflict paralysis. Into the dumpster it goes. I decided to start leveling up Poison Bomb now. At level 1, it has a 60% base inflict chance, and 60 base poison damage. Still working on Dance. Smoke Rot now reduces magic defense by 7% without a Smoke debuff, and 34% with one. That's all for now. Next time: 5F. Rea fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Nov 8, 2016 |
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Glazius posted:Does Animal Therapy work if you have another Hound's animal out? Yes. If two party members know Animal Therapy, the effect stacks additively.
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kvx687 posted:I've never played 4, what's the deal with the crayfish? There's an event in a minor labyrinth in 4 where you can have a bunch of party members be damaged so you can catch a crayfish... Only for the game to basically end the scene with "...You realize you have no use for a crayfish." After which nothing else happens.
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 If you want a better idea of what's been holding up the class updates. Sorry for the delay with update 5, but I...was not doing so hot last week, mentally (I actually seriously pissed off someone I know with my irrational panic about the US election and I really regret it now), and I've been distracted by other things this week. My plan is to finish at least 6F before the end of Thanksgiving week, but like all plans, that's subject to change. Rea fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Nov 18, 2016 |
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Update 5: Stoneborn Now, whenever Genetta gives us eggs from Labyrinth Chickens, she'll give us Labyrinth Honey, too. We begin today by taking care of that quest that wants us to kill a Crawling Venomous Bug. Crawling Venomous Bug HP: 2027 STR: 42 INT: 34 VIT: 29 WIS: 28 AGI: 23 LUC: 32 Skills:
Disable Resistances: Crawlers are somewhat better dealt with using a dodgetank Fencer rather than a Dragoon, since the thing can only ever hit one party member at a time. The increased base accuracy on Poison Fang makes just blindly using Predict silghtly dodgy, but a good blind should take care of that. Standard initial actions: Predict, Armor Penetrate, Prayer: Eradication, Dark Smoke. (Lanzon's not doing anything until Smoke Rot's applied.) (Mist Slice.) Okay, killing the Crawler shouldn't take too long. (Smoke Rot.) And now it's time for Lanzon to spam Fire Bomb. Now that's the kind of damage I wanna see. And now it's effectively impossible for the Crawler to hit anyone. A couple turns of more of the same later, and I'm concerned about the blind running out soon, so I do the obvious thing: try to inflict poison! Which the Crawler has 25% resistance to! excuse me what We're not doing too badly, honestly. Just have to make sure Alexis doesn't run out of TP too early. (Lanzon has been poisoned.) Uh-oh. And I am out of Nectars. Fantastic planning, Ragnar H. Homsar. (Received 1 Iron Caterpillar Horn.) Nothing bad happened after that, thankfully. ("Obtained Ohoho, Ragnar like. Amritas restore 50 TP to one party member. This early on, that's almost all of most characters' TP pools, and at least half of everyone else's. Mio puts a point into Organizational Skills because lord knows we can use a bigger backpack with the Drop Cameo on. Organizational Skills gives a small passive VIT bonus and, more importantly, increases your inventory's max capacity by 5 for every party member that knows it. If you have a party that all knows Organizational Skills, your inventory would have a capacity of 85 items, compared to the normal 60. (Floor subtitle: "The embryo of truth, that is the barrier") And the rotating golem statues make a return for this floor. They're quite a bit more involved this time around, but, again, 1st Stratum puzzles. Not too hard overall. Man-Eating Rabbit HP: 250 STR: 36 INT: 25 VIT: 30 WIS: 24 AGI: 29 LUC: 22 Skills:
Disable Resistances: Man-Eating Rabbits don't have much to them. They can hit one party member really hard. That's it. (Received 1 Steel Rabbit Tooth and 1 Branched Tusk.) Jana learns Attack Heal, a Union skill that requires 3 people. When used, all party members recover 30% of their max HP when the initiator deals damage. (Received 1 Coiled Vine naturally, 1 Coiled Vine from Alexis.) 5F, D3 Chop Point
An encounter with a solo Giganto Roper gives Magda enough EXP to level up. She puts a point into Bestow Mana, which increases the damage of Jar items by 30%. I don't care about that, what I care about is the passive LUC bonus. Here, we've got two Crayfish alternatively patrolling an area that overlaps with how we need to progress. How do we get past this? Getting into a random battle and getting two level ups is not the answer, but do you see the golem statue just to the right of us? We have to rotate that so we can walk past the crayfishes. Alexis's skill point goes into Tri-Shield. Tri-Shield requires 3 people to use, and nullifies the first 3 instances of damage on any party member for one turn. This is ludicrously powerful early on, but starts falling off later in the game. By that point, its only advantage is that it only costs 3 peoples' Union gauges to use. Poison Bomb now has 75 base poison damage. Note that I mapped the statue incorrectly earlier--there's no wall separating it from us. And now we're free to proceed. Next obstacle: this Crawler is patrolling the one-tile-wide walkway we need to progress, and that pillar is making it so that the Crawler turns around too early for us to safely get in front of it. Obvious solution here: move the pillar. There's also another Other Guild event I forgot about a bit ago. uh, I can explain just give me a stratum or so, it'll all make sense then There's a lot of really good ingredient trades here. In order, we can trade:
Olives and Animal Meats are good, so I toss 2 Eggs and 2 Moon Apples towards Guild TFKrew's way, and get 10 Olives and 10 Animal Meats in return. Note that you can only do this once, though! After you end the conversation here, the other guild leaves. Anyway, yes, move this statue. We'll be back here in a bit, though, because I forgot something about this puzzle. "Underneath the tree Pushed to your limits by the Labyrinth, a break underneath a large tree offers a brief respite." Going back to this thing, there's a treasure chest we can only reach by rotating the statue so that it blocks the Crawler's upward patrol. ("Obtained That was not worth it. Another disabling weapon: +10 ATK/MATK, 20% base chance to bind arms with normal attacks. oh gently caress Good thing that simple-aggressive FOEs can be easily kited around a 3x3 area with an impassable tile in the middle. (Received 1 Ripe Lotus Fruit naturally, 1 Ripe Lotus Fruit from Alexis.) 5F, B2 Take Point
No-one in our party knows Acrobatics, and doing the "sneak by" option without knowing that results in bad things. We have to just attack the monsters here. Nothing we can't handle by this point. "Watch your step You took on the beasts head on and gained some valuable experience from the battle." Back to town to heal up and sell off stuff. I buy a Strength Ring for Jana, since having a few less points of DEF/MDEF don't mean a lot when we're using a dodgetank. I also upgrade her to a Kodachi. And some forging. The important part is that Mio's Ice Bat Fang is now +5, which means Cold Wave now deals 110% INT-based damage, at the cost of now costing 4 TP per cast. We're a little over the halfway point for 5F. This time, we have a more involved pillar puzzle. If someone in our party knew Sense Magic, we'd see ancient text, and unlock an event earlier in the floor. For now, though, we have to ignore it. Firstly, we rotate this statue this way. Then rotate the upper statue so the other pillar is out of our way, rotate the other one back... And boom, door. Here's the last major puzzle of the floor. Don't rotate this statue downwards yet, it's just gonna block your way later. What you actually need to do is rotate this golem to face east. Then we need to rotate this golem to face north. We'll be rotating it back later. Rotating the previous golem opened up the path for us to rotate this one. We can just leave it like this. Rotate this one back so we don't block the way forward... Grab this chest, which has 800 en... And rotate this golem this way, which lets us go to the door. Maybe I overstated how involved these puzzles are... An otherwise-unremarkable random encounter gave Jana and Mio level ups. I decided to bump Mist Slice up to level 5 in preparation for the boss. Its damage is still 190%, but it now costs 11 TP, and has a 60% base chance to inflict sleep (up from 40%), and a 70% speed modifier (down from 120%). Still getting the elemental Prayers up to 3 for Oracle: Dance. I still have one bit of the floor to explore and one quest to do, but I wanted to get to the boss room and open the shortcut before going back to town. https://my.mixtape.moe/hlxybr.webm I think it goes without saying, but we are wholly unprepared to fight this thing. Well, while we're here, might as well take care of Vermin extermination. I would like to take a moment to thank Clarste, who idiot-proofed this quest by marking which choices are correct in the text archive. Let's take care of The house of Griffon, too. Whatever. Blindside doesn't matter too much. Magda got a level up from it. ("Obtained ("Obtained 2 Bronze Ingots!") Not too shabby for just selecting some dialogue options. Let's speak to the monocle man again. Gentleman: Oh, you're back. Wait...that helmet...could it be? Can I take a look at it? Gentleman: ...So it's really true. If you're coming back with just her helmet, then she must be... I... My daughter is dead... Gentleman: ...But still, the 5th floor is quite high up, isn't it? Gentleman: She was amazing, wasn't she? Maybe if I'd supported her in becoming an explorer, she'd still be... No, it's too late for this. Much too late... Thank you for finding a momento of my daughter. ("Obtained Sylphid counterattacks now deal 67% damage, and Sylphid has a 115% base chance to activate. Lanzon learns Sense Magic. Poison Smoke now has 80 base poison damage and increases poison infliction chances by 25%. Now that we've learned Sense Magic, the text for the rock changes. "A message from your forebears You use the power to perceive magic to find a hidden message from your forebears." ("Obtained 5 ("Obtained ("Obtained "A gift from your forebears You use the power to perceive magic to find a hidden gift from your forebears." I almost forgot about this chest on 4F. ("Obtained +20 ATK, +35 MATK, and a skill that cures one bind on one target, with a 50% speed modifier. Thanks, I guess? Telop says "Lazy-sounding man." And now the telop says "Breaktime Enthusiast." We'll have to come back later. And by later I mean in another update, because we're done for now. Next time: Golem. Rea fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Jan 10, 2017 |
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Golem Overview Golem HP: 2660 STR: 42 INT: 40 VIT: 35 WIS: 34 AGI: 24 LUC: 35 Skills:
Disable Resistances: Golem Body HP: 2660 STR: 42 INT: 40 VIT: 35 WIS: 34 AGI: 24 LUC: 35 Skills:
Disable Resistances: Golem Head HP: 1331 STR: 42 INT: 40 VIT: 35 WIS: 34 AGI: 24 LUC: 35 Skills:
Disable Resistances: Golem Arms HP: 1331 STR: 42 INT: 40 VIT: 35 WIS: 34 AGI: 24 LUC: 35 Skills:
Disable Resistances: Golem Legs HP: 1331 STR: 42 INT: 40 VIT: 35 WIS: 34 AGI: 24 LUC: 35 Skills:
Disable Resistances: White/Red/Black Mini-Golem HP: 1331 STR: 32 INT: 28 VIT: 28 WIS: 25 AGI: 22 LUC: 24 Skills:
Disable Resistances: Yellow Mini-Golem HP: 1331 STR: 32 INT: 28 VIT: 28 WIS: 25 AGI: 22 LUC: 24 Damage Resistances: Disable Resistances: Welcome to the first boss of EO5, and boy is it a doozy. Golem is, in my opinion, by far the hardest 1st Stratum boss in the entire series, and definitely the one that takes longest to kill. 2660 HP might not sound like a lot, coming off of Chimaera's effective total of 5500 in EO2U, but trust me, that 2660 goes a lot farther due to how little damage your party deals in EO5 compared to EO2U. The overall gimmick of the fight is basically controlling the Mini-Golems, or at least damaging them as much as possible before they can form a body part. Before I go any further, I should explain how Mini-Golems spawn. They don't spawn like summons do in EO2U, where the boss can just call them at will. Instead, the Golem Body will use Call Allies, which'll spawn new Mini-Golems at the corners of the boss arena. You can block the two upper spawn points by rotating pillars earlier in the floor--in fact, this is drat near a necessity, since you can get very quickly overwhelmed otherwise. It's in your best interest to bring along as many classes with row-target spells as you can (which, at this point, includes Reaper, Warlock, Necromancer, and Hound), since you ideally want to lop off Mini-Golems' HP while also damaging the Golem body parts. Also, disables. Disables really aren't worth it in the Golem fight unless they're attached to a multi-target spell (so pretty much just Scythe of Numb Stasis at this point), since the Mini-Golems still have FOE/boss resistances to disables. Poison's also less worth it than you'd think, since it doesn't benefit from the Mini-Golems' 300% resistances to everything, and only damages the Golem Body once an afflicted Mini-Golem uses Combine. Also, note that ignoring the Mini-Golems and just going for the Golem Body is very much not an option, since it's incredibly hard to just eat an Explosion every 4 turns. As for the Golem itself, it can only one one action from a body part at a time--it'll just pick a random body part to act for the turn, and then pick a skill from that part. The arms are by far the most dangerous part. The legs are entirely physical, and Sumo Stomp is just splash damage--Line Guard can really easily help take care of those. The head just does defense reduction and petrification--don't get me wrong, that's dangerous, but less dangerous than actually trying to kill your party. The arms, on the other hand, have elemental damage, and both Fire and Ice Palm can and will one-shot party members at this point in the game. Ice Palm's by far the more dangerous of the two, since it almost certainly will just take two party members out of the fight, which is incredibly hard to recover from. One final miscellaneous note before I go to party member descriptions: note that note that if a Mini-Golem is incapacitated in some way (panic, sleep, petrification), even if it is currently in the battle, Call Allies will not summon new Mini-Golems at the spot the incapacitated Golem originated from. Vote for a maximum of three party members, a maximum of one vote per character. Rea fucked around with this message at 09:06 on Nov 22, 2016 |
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In light of a successful test run, I am going to close Golem voting.quote:Kaelin: 6 This party was actually significantly better at killing Golem than any of the parties I've personally used. Maybe my different skill builds this time around had something to do with it, I dunno.
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Update 6: Grow! (Nameless vs. Golem) Second order of business: go over the party's skill builds. Sasha has level 5 Line Guard now (8 TP, 41% phys damage reduction), level 4 Material Guard (6 TP, 39% elem damage reduction), and level 1 Gun Mount. Gun Mount is a pretty unique skill: it can only be used the turn after using a shield skill. When used, it replicates the effect of the shield skill used last, and also attacks one enemy. At level 1, it costs a measly 2 TP, meaning you can, say, effectively use Line Guard two turns in a row, but for only 10 TP instead of 16, and deals 110% damage. Raven has Miasma Weapon maxed out--it now costs 3 TP instead of 2, and only costs 5% of his current HP instead of 25%. He also has 3 points in Frail Miasma (6 TP, 14% attack reduction), and 1 point in Feeble Miasma (6 TP, 25% ail/bind resist decrease). I don't use either of these in the upcoming fight. I left Scythe of Numb Stasis at level 4, where it costs 7 TP, deals 168% damage, and has a 40% base paralysis chance with Miasma Weapon--level 5 would've bumped the TP cost up to 11. Kaelin has 4 points in Lightning (7 TP, 110% INT-based volt damage), 6 points in Amplifier (9 TP, 33% INT damage buff for one row), and 1 point in Magic Shield (8 TP, reduces INT-based damage by 34% for 1 turn). The solitary point in Magic Shield is to help ensure that everyone can survive the initial Explosion from Golem. Gram has the same 3 points in Hawk Whistle, 4 points in Flash of Both Wings (8 TP, 86% user damage, 221% hawk damage to one row), and 6 points in Target Arrow (7 TP, 157% damage, reduces defense by 20% for 5 turns). Dosen has 5 points in Cure Herb (5 TP, 210% healing power), 4 points in Line Herb (7 TP, 117% healing power), 3 points in Refresh Herb (6 TP, removes ailments from one person), and 1 point in Resurrection Herb (8 TP, revives dead character at 10 HP).  VIDEO: Boss: Golem Sasha uses Material Guard to reduce Explosion's damage. Raven preps Miasma Weapon for the next turn. Kaelin uses Magic Shield to further reduce Explosion. Gram uses Target Arrow on Golem Body, mostly to debuff it. Dosen does nothing. (Golem used Explosion.) This is basically all Raven will do until the end of the fight now. Kaelin casts Amplifier on the back row. Gram targets the leftmost Mini-Golem with Flash of Both Wings, which means the front row will be hit by the hawk follow-up. Lastly, Dosen uses a Soma to bring everyone back up to full after Explosion. Don't be fooled by the fact that the hawk doesn't have an ATK stat beyond its STR, the thing hurts. You'll understand more once we see Raven and Kaelin's damage outputs. (Red Mini-Golem attacks.) You can't just ignore Mini-Golem attacks, by the way. They aren't insignificant and can build up quickly if there's too many of them in play. (Kaelin used Amplifier.) (Golem Body used Call Allies.) (White Mini-Golem used Combine.) (Golem Legs have appeared!) Rule of thumb with Dragoons is to just use Gun Mount after using a shield skill, unless you need to swap which one you're using. Saves a boatload of TP in the long run. Kaelin gets to actually use Lightning now. My general strategy with Magic Heal is to just use it as soon as at least four party members are missing a small amount of TP, so you'll have it sooner in the fight. No-one needs healing right now, so I just have Dosen toss a Volt Jar onto the Red Mini-Golem. Especially in a potentially long fight like Golem, you need to give your party as much TP as possible. (Dosen used Volt Jar.) It's kind of paltry, but any damage on the Mini-Golems before they use Combine helps. (Kaelin used Lightning.) (Sasha used Gun Mount.) Dragoons kind of suffer from artillery having overall bad ATK, but whatever, it's some damage plus a shield effect for 1/4 the cost of Line Guard. (Golem Legs used Stomp.) (Black Mini-Golem used Combine.) (Golem Arms have appeared!) And here's where things could start to get really nasty. The Golem Legs have a long way to go until death. These next few turns are going to be difficult. Might as well save Sasha a little TP by making my party effectively invincible for a turn. (Sasha used Tri-Shield.) (Defeated Red Mini-Golem!) At least I don't have to worry about a potential Explosion for a few turns. (Golem Arms used Fire Palm.) (Sasha negated the attack with Tri-Shield.) I'm generally more scared of Fire Palm and Ice Palm than I am Stomp or Sumo Stomp, so I have Sasha switch over to Material Guard. I told you this fight can take a while. (Golem used Call Allies.) Ooooooookay, what? All of the Mini-Golem spawn points have a Mini-Golem out on the field, this does literally nothing but waste Golem's turn. (Yellow Mini-Golem has joined the battle.) Well, that's concerning. Raven's getting slightly low on TP, so I had Dosen toss him a Hamao. Hamaos in EO5 restore 100 HP and 25 TP. They're actually not too bad to have around, and you can make them quite a bit earlier than you can Amritas. It helps that Kaelin can just knock off almost 1/3 of a Mini-Golem's HP in one hit. (Golem Legs used Stomp.) (Yellow Mini-Golem has joined the battle.) This is less than ideal... Oh sweet merciful gods, the Legs are close to dying. (Defeated Golem Legs!) loving p h e w. (Defeated Yellow Mini-Golem!) (Golem used Call Allies.) All this did was summon one Mini-Golem at the bottom left. The bottom right didn't spawn a new one, because the right Yellow Mini-Golem is still in the battle. (Golem used Call Allies.) Okay this one did literally nothing. I don't know how that Yellow Mini-Golem went three turns without becoming a body part, but hell if I'm gonna complain. (Gram used Flash of Both Wings.) (Defeated Yellow Mini-Golem!) Dosen tosses Gram an Amrita, since she was getting fairly low and we're not quite done yet. (Golem used Call Allies.) You could, I dunno, loving hit us with those giant magic arms of yours. WHAT EVERY MINI-GOLEM SPAWN POINT ALREADY HAS A MINI-GOLEM IN PLAY THIS IS LITERALLY JUST WASTING A TURN WHY IS THIS ANNOYING ME Golem Arms gonna die on this turn. (Kaelin used Lightning.) (Defeated Golem Arms!) And Golem ends up doing nothing because it wanted to cast an Arms skill. (Yellow Mini-Golem used Combine.) (Golem Head has appeared!) The Golem Head is, like, the least dangerous body part. It spawned at less than half HP too. I don't think this battle's gonna take much longer. HOW MANY loving TURNS HAS THIS THING WASTED ON JUST USING CALL ALLIES (Kaelin used Lightning.) (Defeated Golem Head!) Okay, it tried to on this turn. Going by speed modifiers relative to Lightning, I'd say it was probably Brittle Breath. (Yellow Mini-Golem used Combine.) (Golem Legs have appeared!) Too little, too late. This was way easier than I thought it'd be. (Raven attacks.) (Golem collapsed!) (Defeated Black Mini-Golem!) (Defeated Golem!) (Received 1 Piece of the Eternal Barrier.) I don't know what the gently caress happened there, honestly. Why did Golem waste so many drat turns on just using Call Allies instead of actually killing us? Were we really that effective at controlling the Mini-Golems and body parts? Not quite yet. We should go see the 2nd Stratum before we go back to town, I feel. VIDEO: 2nd Stratum Intro (Floor subtitle: The journey continues, with your gaze aimed high) Back to town we go, then. #1 is Hansuke again. #2: Short-haired young scythe user: Young'un: Oh, are you all rookies? Hahaha, then keep it up and just try to stay out of the way of the veterans! Young'un: By the way, you know how some monsters in the Labyrinth are clearly just stronger? Like those giant caterpillars? Well, even if you kill them, there'll be back in the same spots after a few days. I'm guessing that it's actually just different ones claiming the same territory, but either way they're just as strong. Welp, try not to die! This is a semi-tutorial on the fact that FOEs respawn about a week after you kill them. #3: Slender-eyed doctor: Doctor: That's it, I'm done. Who'd have thought that moles, even giant ones, would put up such a fight? They just suddenly dived underground so our attacks couldn't hit them, and when they popped back up they did this powerful attack! Hmm, maybe sleep or panic would have worked... Or binding their legs? Well, either way, I'm just glad to be alive! We will see moles on 6F. #4: Grass-stained explorer: Explorer: Hey, you guys heard of Nameless? They're supposed to be some dauntless and invincible new guild. Explorer: But us, we ain't got talent like that, so we're stuck taking crappy jobs gathering herbs just to get by. Geez, it just makes me so jealous. Why can't I ever get a break like that?! Just once! #5: Full-bodied woman: Woman: My, you wouldn't be explorers, would you? Then do you know Lily? She's always helping find things in Labyrinth, whether as favors for the townsfolk or requests from the Council. She's such a good girl. Why can't my daughters be more like her? They never want to help out at the store, and are always off playing around somewhere... Two quests for 6F. #1: Hunter's pride: ("Obtained ("Obtained On my first few playthroughs, I had no clue what the gently caress this quest wanted until I gave in and just pinged Clarste and asked him what was going on. When he told me that this involved basically playing Minesweeper and reading text, I gave up and just deliberately stepped on all of the mines. This results in Melina all but asking if you're mentally well enough to keep doing quests. #2: Loves monsters more than regular meals: ("Obtained 1500 en.") For reporting in all of the 1st Stratum floors, we get a And with that, we're done with the 1st Stratum. Next time: we begin the 2nd Stratum.
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Small note: expecting party voting here? Well, unfortunately, no. From here on out, I will be deciding exploring parties on a floor-by-floor basis. Boss parties will still be voted on. I feel that floor party votes always kind of attracted the least attention, and having the ability to choose my own parties means I can tell certain narrative things better, or have more control over how events go on the floors, what with certain racial passives affecting stuff. ...Of course, given that I have my own biases towards certain classes, I also might just write a party randomizer that takes certain criteria into account. In fact, that's actually what I'm already doing. I've codenamed it MERASMUS! because of the 2012 TF2 Halloween event. Rea fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Nov 27, 2016 |
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Whatever the gently caress happened to Golem here is very much a fluke. I refought him after the recording to make sure it wasn't some stupid thing like "Golem needs the Golem Legs to actually do anything," and ended up having a much harder time because he actually kept doing real things with his turns.
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Fencers are the mascot class of EO5, and can fulfill two very disparate roles: either dodge-tanking (massively increasing personal aggro chance and evasion in order to make attacks completely whiff on them), or supportive attacking with Chain skills (attacks that rely on specific attacks from other party members). I wasn't that enthralled with them when I first looked at their skillset, but after playing the game a few times, they're considerably more effective than I'd thought at first glance. They're just not drag-and-drop, so to say--you can't just toss a Fencer into a party with an empty slot and really expect them to work. Dodgetanks aren't for every possible enemy situation (enemies with row-target or party-target spells do not give a poo poo about dodge-tanking and splash damage is still something to consider), and Chains really do require at least two or more party members that can cooperate with them. Stats Before we go into stats, lemme explain one thing. While the majority of a character's stats come from their race, each specialization provides its own of small bonuses on top of the race's base stats. In light of that, I'll be posting three tables for each class's stats: their bases up until 19 (you can't assign specializations until a character is level 20), and then two tables that add each specialization's bonuses on top of the race's base stats. The specialization names will also include a short description of each spec's gimmick. These stat tables assume base races, mind you! Earthrun Base Illusionary Fencer: Dodge-tanking Thunderclap Fencer: Chain skills Basic gist of the stats: Illusionary Fencers get more HP, AGI, and LUC, while Thunderclap Fencers get more TP, STR, VIT, and WIS. Fencers can equip In terms of potential reclass options, I really can't see why you'd want anything but an Earthrun for Illusionary Fencers--Therians do have more AGI, but they also have significantly lower LUC, which does play a role in the evasion formula. For Thunderclap Fencers, you could conceivably use a Therian for them, since they really just want more STR than anything. Basic Skills Rapier Mastery Requirements: None Increases damage dealt using swords. Normal attacks become stab instead of cut. Masteries in EO5 are considerably different from EO1-3 and the Untolds. Exactly two skills in the entire game require that you level up a Mastery to learn them, and exactly one of them is worth it. There's still a few masteries that just give tiny bonuses, but there's also skills like Rapier Mastery. Changing basic attacks to stab might not seem like much, but it means that normal attacks and any skills that apply normal attack modifiers (such as Sylphid) can turn into procs for Chain skills. Chain Freeze/Fire/Shock Requirements: None Body parts used: Legs Targets one enemy. When that enemy takes either stab or fire/ice/volt damage, the caster will follow up with a stab+fire/ice/volt attack (element depends on skill used). Each time Chain Fire/Freeze/Shock activates, the chance of it activating again on that turn is decreased. The base activation chance is 100%. Has standard priority. Has no accuracy modifier at all levels. The focus of the Chain tree. Chains are more akin to EO1-3/Untold-style Chasers than EO4 Links, but they're slightly more lenient in that you can activate them with stab damage as well. This isn't quite as good as it sounds, though, since only bows deal stab damage naturally (Fencers need at least one point in Rapier Mastery to deal stab damage naturally). As far as skills go, basically every Fencer attack skill and most Hound attack skills deal stab damage, while Armor Penetrate (Masurao Basic) and Earth Spike (Warlock Spec 1) deal stab damge as well. It's not terribly hard to make decent use of Chain skills, but to make good use of them, you do need to plan your party around them. Chain Boost Requirements: Chain Fire level 2, Chain Freeze level 2, Chain Shock level 2 When using a Chain skill, each time the Chain skill activates, its damage is increased for the rest of the turn. The maximum bonus Chain Boost can give is +99% damage. Chain Boost...exists. It's not a bad passive, mind, but it's not something you should really invest in early on. Chain Burst Requirements: Chain Fire level 2, Chain Freeze level 2, Chain Shock level 2 When an enemy is killed by a Chain skill, the caster will attack another enemy with an attack of the same element as the Chain skill. A kind of pointless passive. It can theoretically help with random encounters, but it does nothing in FOE and boss fights. Predict Requirements: None Body parts used: Legs For one turn, increases the amount of damage the caster takes, their evasion, and their chance to be targeted by enemies. When the user dodges an attack, their evasion and chance to be targeted are decrased. The damage bonus could be either a 2.5x multiplier, or a +250% damage bonus for the enemy--it's unclear, but is more likely to be a multiplier. Has standard priority. The bread-and-butter skill for a dodgetank Fencer, and what they'll be using almost all of the time. At levels 1-4, Predict is basically good for one attack, and after that you start running an extreme risk of gibbing your Fencer. I'd say to not leave it at those levels for long, but the TP cost increase to 11 at level 5 is pretty hefty. 7 TP early on isn't something to scoff at, and 11 can drain early Fencers dry incredibly quickly, and even in the midgame, you still need to watch how often you use it. Wind Curtain Requirements: Predict level 3 Body parts used: Head Places a buff on one row that enables party members to dodge one STR-based attack. When an attack is dodged, the buff is dispelled. A kind of neat skill whose theoretical uses are offset by the extreme TP cost. Vision Thrust Requirements: None Body parts used: Arms Deals melee STR-based stab damage to one enemy. Attempts to inflict blind on the target. Has a 120% speed modifier and +25 base accuracy at all levels. A pretty basic attack skill. You're not gonna have much time to use it if you're dodgetanking, but it does have a pretty high base blind chance going for it, combined with Earthruns' naturally high LUC. Sylphid Requirements: None Body parts used: Arms When the user dodges an attack, they will counterattack the attack source with their equipped weapon. Each time the user counterattacks, the chance of Sylphid activating again on that turn is decreased by 40%. Any modifiers to the user's normal attacks are applied for Sylphid. For example, if the user has at least one level in Rapier Mastery, and has a Fire Oil effect, Sylphid counterattacks will be stab+fire. Sylphid is how dodgetank Fencers actually get to contribute damage. It's never going to be massive damage, but it's something. It also means you get slightly more value out of whatever TP you spend on dodgetanking. Illusionary Fencer Skills Unburdened Requirements: None Increases the user's evasion based on how many of their equipment slots are empty. For example, if the user has a weapon but no armor, they are given the 3 slot bonus. A potentially risky gamble, but then again, that kinda describes dodgetanking in general. I wouldn't advise going fully unequipped, though, since that means you just completely lose out on any potential Sylphid damage. Bewitching Sword Dance Requirements: None Body parts used: Legs Reduces the accuracy of one row of enemies for a set amount of turns. Has a 90% speed modifier at all levels. Bleh. That accuracy decrease isn't worth the turn needed to set this up. Pile On Requirements: Bewitching Sword Dance level 3 Body parts used: Legs For one turn, when the user dodges an attack, all other party members in their row will counterattack the attack source with their equipped weapons. Any modifiers to an attacker's normal attacks are applied for Pile On. For example, if the attacker has at least one level in Rapier Mastery, and has a Fire Oil effect, Pile On counterattacks will be stab+fire. Has a 300% speed modifier at all levels. Counterattacks have +5 base accuracy at all levels. Interesting in theory, but mediocre in practice, since it doesn't give any target chance increases. You could combo it with an Unburdened passive bonus and a Dragoon using Dragon's Roar on the Pile On user, I suppose. Avoid Accel Requirements: Bewitching Sword Dance level 3 When the user dodges an attack, their Union gauge is restored. A really nice passive that doesn't take a lot to max out. Union skills aren't quite as powerful as other similar mechanics in past EO games, but being able to use rapid-fire Tri-Shield or Black Mist is a pretty huge advantage. Preemptive Curtain Requirements: Wind Curtain level 3 Gives the user a chance to use Wind Curtain automatically at the start of a battle. Pass. Divine Gust Requirements: Preemptive Curtain level 3 Body parts used: Head For one turn, increases all party members' evasion. Each time a party member dodges an attack, the bonus provided by Divine Gust is decreased. Has a 150% speed modifier at all levels. Neat in theory, underwhelming in practice. At level 10, that bonus will only be good for 3 party members--any attacks after that won't get anything. Even then, the second dodge only gets a +700 bonus, and the third only gets +350. That TP cost also is not kind at all. On the other hand, this is basically an Illusionary Fencer's only means of helping the party when going up against row-target or party-target skills, so it's still worth investing in fairly early. Sharp Thrust Requirements: Vision Thrust level 2 Body parts used: Arms Deals melee STR-based stab damage to one enemy. For the rest of the turn, the user's evasion and chance to be targeted are increased. Has a 500% speed modifier and +20 base accuracy at all levels. A weaker version of Predict that doesn't amplify incoming damage, but which provides a far smaller evade bonus, and deals a small amount of damage. I'm not too hot on it, but I can see its uses. Revenge Thrust Requirements: Sharp Thrust level 5 Body parts used: Arms Deals melee STR-based stab+volt damage to one enemy. The damage starts at a base value, and is then multiplied by the amount of times the user has dodged an attack since the last use of Revenge Thrust. There is a maximum amount of times Revenge Thrust can have its damage multiplied. Has a 75% speed modifier and +10 base accuracy at all levels. A mixed bag of a skill. On the one hand, if certain situations, the amount of stacks you get wtih Revenge Thrust can stack up real quick. On the other hand, a lot of the time, you'll probably just get one or two stacks per turn. Combine that with the fact that you have to have your Fencer not draw aggro for a turn, and bad things can happen if you just carelessly use Revenge Thrust. Counter Boost Requirements: Sylphid level 5 Adds a chance to add extra hits when Sylphid activates. Each extra hit is rolled for individually. Amplifies the damage of Sylphid fairly noticeably and, I am reasonably certain, each hit counts for one activation of a Chain skill. Overall, it's pretty good. Thunderclap Fencer Skills Common Passives: Phys ATK Up, Speed Up Speed of Sound Blade Requirements: Rapier Mastery level 3 When performing normal attacks, there is a chance to attack twice. The second attack is cut damage, and deals the same amount of damage as the first hit (not accounting for standard variance). lol Chain Killer Requirements: Chain Boost level 3, Chain Burst level 3 Body parts used: Legs Targets one enemy. For one turn, when that enemy becomes afflicted with a status ailment, bind, or stun, the user will attack them. Has standard priority at all levels. Follow-up attacks have no accuracy modifier at all levels. Has its uses if you have a party that's heavily focused on disables (I'd say two or more of a Cestus, Reaper, Necromancer, dog-focused Hound, and Smoke-focused Herbalist count). 800% damage hurts like hell to begin with, and if you inflict multiple disables on one turn, it gets even better. Chain All Requirements: Chain Killer level 5 Body parts used: Legs On the next turn, Chain skills will target all enemies. Also increases the maximum hits of the Chain skill used on the next turn. Has no speed modifier at all levels. Kind of useful if you're dealing with an FOE or boss fight with multiple targets, which are few and far between. Otherwise, getting extra hits is less desirable than it sounds, due to the fact that Chains are more akin to Chasers than Links when it comes to what activates them. Chain Plus Requirements: Chain Killer level 5 Body parts used: Head For a set amount of turns, increases the base chance of Chain skills activating, as well as their damage. Has no speed modifier at all levels. The Improved Link of EO5, in that it's arguably a necessity if you're taking a Chain uesr into the late/postgame. Thankfully, it lasts longer than Improved Link did, and is basically the only self-buff a Thunderclap Fencer will really need--having to constantly reapply both Vanguard and Improved Link turned me off Links really badly in the EO4 lategame. Chain Double Requirements: Chain Killer level 5 Gives a chance for Chain attacks to activate twice. Free extra damage that makes each activation of a Chain potentially go farther? Hell yeah, invest in this thing as soon as you've got your actives at comfortable levels. Sylph Screen Requirements: None The user's defense and evasion increase, for one turn, each time they attack an enemy. Eh, I'll pass. Proper defensive support means that you should be able to ignore having to put points in this, and instead focus on putting points in attack skills, the skills that actually matter. Random Stab Requirements: Vision Thrust level 3 Body parts used: Arms Deals a random amount of instances of melee STR-based stab damage to one row of enemies. Can hit the same enemy multiple times. Has no speed modifier and -5 base accuracy at all levels. To quote one of my top-tier video game characters (female Morgan from FE13), "BOOOORING." Resonance Requirements: Random Stab level 5 Body parts used: Arms Deals melee STR-based stab damage to one enemy. The damage starts at a base value, and is then multiplied by the amount of times the user hit enemies last turn. Resonance can have its damage multiplied a maximum of 9 times. Has a 75% speed modifier and +10 base accuracy at all levels. Considerably more useful for a Thunderclap Fencer than Revenge Thrust is for an Illusionary Fencer. Using this thing doesn't interrupt your Fencer's normal duties, and you'll generally be able to get a decent amount of stacks if you have a party that's well-built for Chain skills.
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Mr. Vile posted:Since there's two distinct paths for each class to go down, are you planning on adding more characters to the roster once you unlock specialisations? That was my plan at the start, but Clarste never really liked that idea to begin with and alcharagia had her reservations too. We discussed it more last week and I came to agree that 20 characters, almost half of which came in right at the start of the 3rd Stratum, would be unmanageable. We'll be introducing one more character soon, as an exception, but otherwise I'm just gonna rotate specializations on a schedule.
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Dragoons are the primary defensive support class of EO5. Those of you coming from EO4, no, they're not really like Fortresses. Fortresses were am interesting but ultimately failed experiment in making a defensive support class focused entirely on tanking, whose only damage mitigation, if you could even call it that, was just some defensive buffs. Dragoons are more akin to Protectors (EO1/2) and Hoplites (EO3)--they specialize in direct damage mitigation. What makes them different from those two, you might ask? Guns! ...Well, heavy artillery, but you get the point. Unlike Protectors (but not unlike Hoplites), Dragoons can equip ranged weapons, and putting one in the back can actually work quite well (I still put them in the front both of habit and for the innate enemy aggro increase). They also have access to quite a few attack skills, which are somewhat hampered by guns having overall bad ATK, but not unusably so. Stats Earthrun Base Adamantine Dragoon: Doubling down on defenses  (Full stat table)Gunpowder Dragoon: Opening up offenses  (Full stat table)Basic gist of the stats: Adamantine Dragoons get more HP and VIT, Gunpowder Dragoons get more TP, WIS, AGI, and LUC. There's an argument to be made for just defaulting to Gunpowder Dragoon if none of the Adamantine Dragoon skills really strike you as something you need. Dragoons can equip In terms of potential reclass options... Uh... A Brownie could do okay as an Adamantine Dragoon, I guess? Somewhat? Their HP is pretty abysmal compared to Earthruns, but their TP and WIS are better, and their VIT's comparable. Much like other damage classes, you could do worse than using a Therian for a Gunpowder Dragoon, but given that two of their four big direct attack skills inflict ailments, the LUC loss could be bad. You'd also end up with someone that's much more fragile when actually using shield skills. Basic Skills Shield Mastery Requirements: None Decreases STR-based damage taken when equipped with a shield. Unfortunately, EO5 goes back to just making Shield Mastery a passive defense boost, rather than EO2U's chance to fully negate phys attacks. Shame, I actually really liked that. Artillery Mastery Requirements: None Increases damage dealt with artillery. Line Guard Requirements: None Required equipment: Shield Body parts used: Arms Reduces STR-based damage taken by one row for one turn. Has standard priority. The most basic of the shield skills, and also the most important. Chances are good that if your Dragoon has nothing else to do, they'll be using this. It's good for random encounters and bosses that rely heavily on physical attacks! Material Guard Requirements: None Required equipment: Shield Body parts used: Arms Reduces fire/ice/volt damage taken by all party members for one turn. Has standard priority. The replacement for the elemental Walls (or Anti skills, as they're known in the DS games). It covers each of the elements, but doesn't fully cancel out attacks at rank 10--a very, very good trade, in my opinion. The problem with the Walls was that they'd only ever be really useful if you already knew a boss's pattern in advance, and even more than that, their usefulness was directly proportional to how unpredictable they are, and how much their other potential actions could hurt. Healing Guard Requirements: None Required equipment: Shield Body parts used: Arms Reduces STR-based damage taken by the caster for one turn. When the user takes damage while Healing Guard is active, their HP is restored. The restoration is a static amount plus a percentage of the caster's maximum HP. Has standard priority. Ehhhhhhhhhh. Pretty obviously intended for use with's Dragon's Roar. You have to ask yourself if using this thing is worth leaving other party members without protection, though. Gun Mount Requirements: Line Guard level 2, Material Guard level 2, Healing Guard level 2 Required equipment: Shield Body parts used: Arms Can only be used on the turn after a shield skill was used. Deals ranged STR-based bash damage to one enemy. Replicates the effect of the shield skill used on the last turn--this takes effect immediately, and does not depend on when the user attacks. Has +5 base accuracy at all levels. Gun Mount was one of the first Dragoon skills revealed to the public during EO5's prerelease press period, if I remember correctly, and it was what convinced me that I'd actually want to use them. Gun Mount not only gives Dragoons a chance to chip in damage without neglecting their normal duties, it also saves them an absolute ton of TP in the long run, especially when it comes to some of the Adamantine Dragoon skills. Barrage Wall Requirements: None Body parts used: Arms Deals ranged STR-based bash damage to all enemies. Reduces hit targets' STR-based attack for a set amount of turns. Has an 80% speed modifier and no base accuracy modifier at all levels. Pass. Costs way too much TP for what it does. Dragon's Roar Requirements: None Body parts used: Head Increases one ally's defense against STR-based attacks and chance of being targeted for a set amount of turns. Oh hey, it's Provoke/Taunt again, except it has the "can be used on any ally" thing from Decoy Sign. I tend not to use Provoke-like skills too much, but Dragon's Roar has its uses in EO5. You can target it with a Fencer that's trying to dodgetank, for example, and basically guarantee that all single/random-target attacks will go to them. Bunker Requirements: None Body parts used: Arms Creates a Bunker in the summon row. The Bunker has 10 HP. In addition to having a DEF value, the Bunker also has a set resistance to all damage. The Bunker has an increased base chance of drawing enemy attacks. Has a 125% speed modifier at all levels. A somewhat strange alternative to Dragon's Roar, kinda. The Bunker is actually pretty drat tanky, given that even at levels 1-4, it only takes 6% damage from everything. For reference, 6% of 150 damage (which is a ton of HP up until maybe the end of the 3rd Stratum) would deal 9 damage to the Bunker, before factoring in DEF. In addition to this, the Bunker drawing aggro onto the summon row can be really nice...if you don't have a Necromancer or a Hound. If you don't, great, the Bunker can just keep drawing single-target and, importantly, row-target attacks away from your party. If you do, though, ghosts, hawks, and dogs are gonna be eating a lot more damage than normal. Defensive Position Requirements: Bunker level 2 Body parts used: Head Increases all party members' defense against STR-based attacks for a set amount of turns. Has an 80% speed modifier at all levels. Nah. Adamantine Dragoon Skills Common Passives: HP Up Recovery Guard Requirements: Gun Mount level 3 Required equipment: Shield Body parts used: Arms Reduces STR-based damage taken by one row for one turn. Allies under the effect of Recovery Guard also have a chance to have a set amount of binds removed when Recovery Guard takes effect. If a character has more binds than Recovery Guard removes, which binds are removed is random. Has standard priority. I could see Recovery Guard's use as a panic option, like if your front row has binds but also needs healing, of which the latter would probably be an Herbalist's priority. On the other hand, the damage reduction's quite a bit less than Line Guard, so it's not a full-on replacement for it. Counter Guard Requirements: Gun Mount level 3 Required equipment: Shield Body parts used: Arms Reduces STR-based damage taken by one row for one turn. When Counter Guard activates, the caster will counter with their equipped weapon, with a damage bonus. Each time Counter Guard counterattacks at levels 1-9, the chance of it attacking again on that same turn is decreased. At level 10, Counter Guard will always counterattack. The base chance of counterattacks is 100%. Any modifiers to the user's normal attacks are applied for Counter Guard. For example, if the user has a Fire Oil effect, Counter Guard counterattacks will be bash+fire. Has standard priority. Counterattacks have +10 base accuracy at all levels. Now here's an upper-tier Guard skill I actually really like. Again, less reduction than standard Line Guard, but that damage can actually stack up pretty quickly, especially at rank 10. Rank 10 Counter Guard activating on a random hit skill that, say, hit the front row six times? Hello 1800% damage. Divide Guard Requirements: Gun Mount level 3 Required equipment: Shield Body parts used: Arms Targets one ally. The caster will take all damage for that ally for one turn. From levels 2-10, the caster takes reduced damage from attacks redirected by Divide Guard. Has standard priority. Eh. There's not a lot of instances in EO5 where I'd say you really want to protect one party member instead of a row or the entire party. Full Guard Requirements: Recovery Guard level 3, Counter Guard level 3, Divide Guard level 3 Required equipment: Shield Body parts used: Arms Reduces all cut, stab, bash, fire, ice, and volt damage to the party for one turn. After use, Full Guard goes on cooldown for a set amount of turns. Has standard priority. Costs a boatload of TP at all levels, has a giant cooldown, and is still useful for a lot of situations. It's not quite as good as Material Guard if you're blocking fire/ice/volt damage (it'd be dumb if it was), but eh. You have to be really sure about when to use it, like I said, because that TP cost is loving massive. At level 60 (a decent level for fighting the final boss), without a TP Up weapon, an Earthrun Adamantine Dragoon will have 165 max TP. The one saving grace of all of this is that, despite the cooldown, you can replicate the effect of Full Guard with Gun Mount--for far less TP, too! Soul Guard Requirements: Recovery Guard level 3, Counter Guard level 3, Divide Guard level 3 Required equipment: Shield Body parts used: Arms Reduces STR-based damage taken by one row for one turn. Allies under the effect of Soul Guard have a chance to survive mortal damage at 1 HP. Has standard priority. Kind of like a one-turn CPR (or Dauntless Order, to a lesser extent) that also reduces physical damage. You could conceivably make use out of it when dealing with bosses that have single or row-target overkill skills, although whether you want to bet on a 66% chance at rank 10 is your own decision. Shield Throw Requirements: None Required equipment: Shield Body parts used: Arms Deals ranged STR-based cut damage to one row of enemies. Shield Throw uses some function of the user's equipped shield's DEF as a substitute for weapon ATK. Has a 60% speed modifier and 75 base accuracy at all levels. For comparison, swords have 97 base accuracy. ...Okay? Why would I want to use an attack skill that effectively has -20 base accuracy? Preemptive Roar Requirements: Dragon's Roar level 3 Gives the user a chance to use Dragon's Roar on themselves at the start of battle. Eh. 5 skill points for a 67% chance to use Dragon's Roar? I'll pass. Dragon Force Requirements: Preepmtive Roar level 3 Gives a chance for the user and any party members in their row to nullify STR-based damage. Not too hot on Dragon Force. Dragoons do end up needing quite a lot of skill points, and investing 10 of them for what works out to a 15% defense buff isn't my idea of good. Preemptive Bunker Requirements: Defensive Position level 3 Gives the user a chance to use Bunker at the start of battle. Nah. Gunpowder Dragoon Skills Common Passives: Phys ATK Up, TP Up Gun Revenge Requirements: None Increases the damage of artillery skills when either a shield skill activates, or when a Bunker or Pillbox is attacked. A really good passive, probably one of the best ones in the game. Getting nine stacks of this is less hard than other stack-based skills, since activating Line Guard or Material Guard really does not take much, and the nature of Bunkers and Pillboxes mean they'll draw attacks pretty frequently too. Once you get nine stacks at rank 10, your Dragoon deals over 2.5x damage for the rest of the battle. Bombardment Prep Requirements: TP Up level 3 Body parts used: Head Increases the damage, non-base accuracy, and speed of the artillery skill used on the next turn. Has no speed modifier at all levels. One of two unconditional charge skills in the entirety of EO5, and this one's pretty decent, aside from its somewhat steep TP cost. Worth investing in once you've got all of the Cannon skills that you want. Rapid Cannon Requirements: Barrage Wall level 3 Body parts used: Arms Deals ranged STR-based bash damage to one enemy. Has absolute priority and +20 base accuracy at all levels. Deals the most damage of the three basic Cannon skills, although that's not saying a lot, given that Gun Mount deals more at rank 10, and replicates shield skills too. Curse Cannon Requirements: Barrage Wall level 3 Body parts used: Arms Deals ranged STR-based bash damage to one enemy. Attempts to inflict curse on the target. Has a 60% speed modifier and no base accuracy modifier at all levels. Curse is an absurdly trash ailment, that's all I really need to say. Hypno Cannon Requirements: Barrage Wall level 3 Body parts used: Arms  Deals ranged STR-based bash damage to one enemy. Attempts to inflict sleep on the target. Has a 60% speed modifier and no base accuracy modifier at all levels. This, on the other hand, is better. Sleep has its uses, and Dragoons already being weighed down by their equipment plus that 60% speed modifier means you can usually inflict sleep once your damage dealers have all taken their turns. On the other hand, that also means it'll probably go off after the target's taken their turn, too. Buster Cannon Requirements: Rapid Cannon level 3, Curse Cannon level 3, Sleep Cannon level 3 Body parts used: Arms On the next turn, deals ranged bash+fire damage to one enemy. Damage is doubled when attacking a front row enemy while the caster is in the front row, multiplied by 1.5x when attacking a front row enemy while the caster is in the back row or vice versa, and is not increased when attacking a back row enemy while the user is in the back. The user cannot select another action on the turn where Buster Cannon activates. If the user is incapacitated or their arms become bound, Buster Cannon will not activate. The initial cast has a 90% speed modifier at all levels. The actual hit has inverse priority and a 1000% speed modifier, and no base accuracy modifier at all levels. I'm gonna be blunt: Buster Cannon is far less good than it may seem. My first thoughts when I looked at its data were "holy poo poo this is Front Mortar all over again," but the fact that it effectively eats two turns means that your Dragoon's effective damage per turn is half of whatever Buster Cannon advertises on the tin. You can't even use Bombardment Prep with it, since that doesn't last long enough to apply to Buster Cannon's actual hit. Pillbox Requirements: Defensive Position level 3 Body parts used: Arms Creates a Pillbox in the summon row. The Pillbox has 10 HP. In addition to having a DEF value, the Pillbox also has a set resistance to all damage. The Pillbox has an increased base chance of drawing enemy attacks. When the Pillbox is attacked, it will counterattack the source of damage. The counterattack is bash damage, and is based solely on the Pillbox's ATK value. Has no speed modifier at all levels. Bunkers, but with less enemy aggro, and with the ability to counterattack. 500 ATK is a lot, incidentally--it's equivalent to a character with 250 STR, equipped with a 250 ATK weapon, performing a normal attack. I really like Pillbox, honestly, but that rank 10 TP cost is a little steep. Gun Support Requirements: Pillbox level 3 When the user reduces damage they themselves take, or negates an attack entirely (ie. another Dragoon activating Dragon Force), they have a chance to create a Pillbox. 34% (at most) chance to create a Pillbox for free when the user reduces damage to themselves (that second condition is almost guaranteed to never activate)? Sure, why not.
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Mechanics: Races In sharp contrast to previous EO games, where each class had their own unique stat growths, EO5 now has four different races that have their own base stats, which are then slightly modified by specializations. In addition, each race has their own selection of small-but-useful racial passives and Union skills. I'm not really smart enough to discuss the deeper implications of the race system on a game design and balance level, so let's just talk about them. Earthrun Earthrun Classes: Fencer, Dragoon, Cestus, Reaper Earthruns, like humans in a lot of other games with race systems, are a middle-of-the-road, phys-oriented race. Highest HP, decent STR, highest VIT, and, strangely enough, highest LUC. Their TP, INT, and WIS are all pretty bad--and by bad, I mean they have the lowest TP of any race. While Cesti can usually deal with this since their skills generally don't cost too much relative to their max TP, the other three classes tend to have pretty serious TP issues throughout most of the game. Earthrun Race Skills:
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Lunarian Lunarian Classes: Warlock, Necromancer Lunarians are the spellcasting race. That is basically all they're good for. They have the best TP and INT of any race, decent WIS and AGI, and bad HP, STR, VIT, and AGI. They cannot survive hits on the frontline, not helped by the fact that neither of their innate races can wear armor heavier than clothes. They can take magic hits a bit better than Earthrun and Therians, at least. Their LUC also means that they can make for decent disable inflictors--which is pretty important, since that's a large part of Warlock Spec 1, and Necromancers overall. Lunarian Race Skills:
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Therian Therian Classes: Hound, Masurao Therians are the physical damage race--they have the highest STR and AGI of the races. Their TP's also quite a bit better than Earthruns, but it still doesn't really stack up to Lunarians or Brownies. Their LUC isn't garbage, but it's also not terribly optimal for inflicting stuff. Unfortunately, their defenses can be pretty lacking. While they do have the second highest HP of the races, they also have mediocre VIT, and the worst WIS of the races, meaning they really do not take magic hits well. Their defense problems are at least somewhat mitigated by Masuraos being able to wear heavy armor (although that doesn't help a lot with magic), and Hounds being best put in back row anyway. Therian Race Skills:
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Brownie Brownie Classes: Shaman, Herbalist Brownies are... Um... The support race. Kind of. I guess. Their stats are all over the place--their HP's just a little better than Lunarians, their TP is just a little worse than Lunarians, they have the absolute worst STR of any race, their INT's just a little shy of Lunarians, their VIT's actually pretty good (better than Therians, anyway), they have the absolute best WIS of the races (matters a lot more for Herbalists since healing uses WIS), AGI that's actually not too far from Earthrun, and absolute loving garbage LUC. Brownie Race Skills:
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Race Skills Grace of the Earth/Moon/Battlefield/Wind Can be learned by: All races (Level 1) When a character uses a Basic skill, they have a chance (feels like it's anywhere from 10% to 25%) to restore ((TPCost / 5) + 1) of whatever TP they used on the skill. Fishing Can be learned by: Earthrun (Level 1), Therian (Level 10), Brownie (Level 5) Enables the use of fishing points in Labyrinths. Woodland Search Skills Can be learned by: Earthrun (Level 1), Therian (Level 10) Required for certain Adventure Episodes. Increases the user's AGI. Organizational Skills Can be learned by: Earthrun (Level 5), Therian (Level 20), Brownie (Level 10) Increases the party's max inventory space by 5 for every party member that knows Organizational Skills. Increases the user's VIT. Woodland Gathering Skills Can be learned by: Earthrun (Level 5) Lets the user find extra materials (and gold items) from Take, Chop, and Mine points. Animal Husbandry Can be learned by: Earthrun (Level 5), Lunarian (Level 20), Brownie (Level 1) Required for certain Adventure Episodes, and for the chicken pseudo-quest on 1F. Martial Arts Can be learned by: Earthrun (Level 10) Increases the user's resistance to all bind types by 10%. Serving Power Can be learned by: Earthrun (Level 10), Lunarian (Level 10), Brownie (Level 5) Increases the user's resistance to ailments (excluding instant death and stun) by 10%. Armor Mastery Can be learned by: Earthrun (Level 10), Therian (Level 20) Increases the user's resistance to cut/stab/bash damage by 5%. Body Improvement Can be learned by: All races (Level 15) Increases the user's STR and VIT. Athletic Training Can be learned by: All races (Level 15) Increases the user's AGI and LUC. Self Study Can be learned by: All races (Level 15) Increases the user's INT and WIS. The Earth's/Moon's/Battlefield's/Wind's Favor Can be learned by: All races (Level 20) When a character uses a Master skill, they have a chance (feels like it's anywhere from 10% to 25%) to restore ((TPCost / 5) + 1) of whatever TP they used on the skill. Anatomy Can be learned by: Earthrun (Level 20), Lunarian (Level 5) Increases enemy drop rates by 10% for each party member that knows Anatomy. Increases the user's INT. Gourmet Can be learned by: Earthrun (Level 20), Lunarian (Level 5), Brownie (Level 20) Doubles the amount of HP and TP restored by food items. Chop Can be learned by: Lunarian (Level 1) Lets the user find extra materials (and gold items) from Chop points. Sense Mana Can be learned by: Lunarian (Level 1) Required for certain Adventure Episodes. Increases the user's INT. Night Vision Can be learned by: Lunarian (Level 5) Required for certain Adventure Episodes. Increases the user's non-base accuracy by 30. Bestow Mana Can be learned by: Lunarian (Level 10) Increases the damage of Jar items by 30%. Increases the user's INT. Barrier of Selflessness Can be learned by: Lunarian (Level 10), Brownie (Level 10) Increases the user's resistance to fire/ice/volt by 5%. Concentration Can be learned by: Lunarian (Level 20) Gives the user a chance to nullify sleep. The chance scales from 15% to 40%, based on the user's level. Hunting Skills Can be learned by: Therian (Level 1) Required for certain events and Adventure Episodes. Increases the user's STR. Mine Can be learned by: Therian (Level 1) Lets the user find extra materials (and gold items) from Mine points. Acrobatics Can be learned by: Therian (Level 5), Brownie (Level 10) Affects certain Adventure Episodes. Increases the user's non-base evasion by 30. Vigilance Can be learned by: Therian (Level 5) Increases the preemptive attack rate by 30% for each character that knows Vigilance. Increases the user's WIS. Feats of Strength Can be learned by: Therian (Level 5) Required for and affects certain Adventure Episodes. Increases the user's STR. Mind's Eye Can be learned by: Therian (Level 10) Gives the user a chance to nullify blind. The chance scales from 15% to 40%, based on the user's level. Take Can be learned by: Brownie (Level 1) Lets the user find extra materials (and gold items) from Take points. Knowledge of Medicinal Plants Can be learned by: Brownie (Level 5) Increases the restoration power of healing items by 50%. Haggling Can be learned by: Brownie (Level 20) Reduces the price of items in Ceric's shop by 5%. Does not stack with other instances of Haggling in the party! Increases the user's WIS. Innate Union Skills Analyze Requires: 1 person Adds one enemy's information to the Monstrous Codex. Double Attack Requires: 2 people Both participants attack one enemy twice with their equipped weapons. Double Attack is melee range, regardless of the user's equipped weapon. Damage scales from 150% to 400% per hit, based on the user's level. The secondary participant is left with 40% Union after use. Flee Requires: 3 people If the battle is not unescapable (ie. boss fights), immediately ends the battle and returns the party to the last used stairs or Geomagnetic Pole. Magic Heal Requires: 4 people Restores all party members' TP. The restoration amount is ((MaxTP * 0.03) + 6). Rea fucked around with this message at 10:23 on Dec 5, 2016 |
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Cesti are a combination damage-dealing and disabling class--think whip Dark Hunters from EO1/2/U/2U. They punch things! Sometimes the punching results in binds and can result in combos based on the binds, sometimes the punching plays with the user's HP and is amplified by the user losing HP. My point is that Cesti are about punching in various fun ways, and they're one of my favorite classes in EO5. I tend to err more on the disabling side of things, since I have a very disable-heavy playstyle, but that's just me. The only real disadvantage to Cesti is that their multi-target options are severely lacking, almost non-existent if you're going the disable-heavy path. Stats Earthrun Base Combo Boxer: Disable-focused Devastating Fistfighter: HP manipulation-focused Basic gist of the stats: Combo Boxers have slightly more TP and AGI, and significantly more LUC, while Devastating Fistfighters have more HP, STR, VIT, and WIS. Cesti can equip For reclasses, there's no question for Combo Boxers: Earthrun is the only option for them, since that specialization isn't entirely focused on damage and relies more on disables--Therians, with their lower LUC, wouldn't do so hot. For Devastating Fistfighters, you could use a Therian for them for the extra STR, but their lower HP and VIT, and significantly lower WIS, make it a lot harder to keep them alive to actually use the skills that benefit from lower HP. Basic Skills Common Passives: Phys ATK Up Gauntlet Mastery Requirements: None Increases damage dealt with gauntlets. Flicker / Arm Break / Liver Blow Requirements: None Body parts used: Arms Deals melee STR-based bash damage to one enemy. Attempts to bind the target's head (Flicker), arms (Arm Break), or legs (Liver Blow). Has a 90% speed modifier and +5 base accuracy at all levels. The most basic, and also the most important, skills for the Combo Boxer line (even though they're Basic skills). If you've played any EO game with Dark Hunters, these should look very familiar--they're Gag, Cuffs, and Shackles all over again. They're not quite as powerful as they were in EO2U, but they also cost FAR less TP, and are designed to work perfectly with... One-Two Requirements: Flicker level 3, Arm Break level 3, Liver Blow level 3 Body parts used: Arms Deals melee STR-based bash damage to one enemy. The user has a chance to follow up the initial One-Two hit with Flicker, Arm Break, and Liver Blow, if the target does not have the body part for that respective skill bound. If the target's arms are bound, for example, Flicker and Liver Blow can activate, but Arm Break cannot. The skills are rolled for in this order: Flicker, Arm Break, Liver Blow. Each skill is rolled for individually--failing to roll for Flicker, for example, means that Arm Break and Liver Blow can still activate. Despite the name, One-Two does not stop after one follow-up. Has a 90% speed modifier and +5 base accuracy at all levels. This is where the "Combo" part of Combo Boxer starts to come into play. One-Two is both very fun to use (it's very satisfying to watch four punches in one action, plus the potential build-up of binds) and very effective, both in terms of TP cost and action economy (assuming you want one bind in particular, in which case you should probably just use the singular bind punch instead of One-Two). Bloodlust Requirements: None When the user loses HP, they have a chance to attack an enemy with their equipped weapon. Bloodlust can activate on self-inflicted HP loss, such as Giving it Everything. Any modifiers to the user's normal attacks are applied for Bloodlust. For example, if the user has a Fire Oil effect, Bloodlust counterattacks will be bash+fire. Bloodlust attacks have +5 base accuracy. Ew, no thanks. 10 skill points for a 50% chance to use a normal attack when losing HP? Giving it Everything Requirements: Bloodlust level 1 Body parts used: Head Places a buff on one party member that increases their STR-based attack, at the cost of losing a percentage of their current HP whenever they act, for 4 turns. Because the HP loss from Giving it Everything is a percentage of current HP, not max HP, the HP loss from it cannot kill the buff owner. Has a 40% speed modifier at all levels. On the other hand, yes PLEASE. Giving it Everything is the strongest attack buff in the game, and while the HP loss might seem pretty significant (because it is), it loving doubles a party member's physical damage at level 10. As long as you have either a dodgetank Fencer (to just fully take attacks off the buff target) or a Dragoon with probably Soul Guard (to potentially soften the blow if the buff target takes mortal damage), physical damage dealers can seriously wreck face with this--especially Masurao Spec 2, where crits (Sword God makes it so that crits apply to skills too) will deal quadruple the Masurao's normal damage. Raijinken Requirements: None Body parts used: Arms Deals melee STR-based bash+volt damage to one enemy. If the target is not killed by Raijinken, the user suffers backlash damage--a percentage of the damage they just dealt. Has a 130% speed modifier and +10 base accuracy at all levels. The most basic of the Devastating Fistfighter skills. It actually deals quite a lot of damage early on, I will admit, but it does start to fall off as the game goes on. Kijinken Requirements: None Body parts used: Arms Consumes a percentage of the user's current HP to deal melee STR-based bash damage to one enemy, with splash damage. Has an 80% speed modifier and no base accuracy modifier at all levels. One of two innate multi-target damage option for Devastating Fistfighters, and the absolute only innate option for Combo Boxers. Damage is kind of pitiful, but that's to be expected from a multi-target Basic skill, honestly. If you really want to go full bore on the HP loss-based gimmicks for Devastating Fistfighter, you might want to leave Kijinken at low levels to keep the current HP loss higher. Combo Boxer Skills Common Passives: Curb ATK Up, Speed Up Double Punch Requirements: None When using Flicker, Arm Break, Liver Blow, or Corkscrew on their own (not as follow-ups from One-Two or Lead Blow), if the skill fails to inflict its ailment/bind, the user has a chance to use the skill again. Double Punch is really drat good if you want your Cestus to prioritize disabling over just comboing with One-Two or Lead Blow. Corkscrew Requirements: None Body parts used: Arms Deals melee STR-based bash damage to one enemy. Attempts to inflict paralysis on the target. Has a 90% speed modifier and -5 base accuracy at all levels. Corkscrew is pretty mediocre on its own (paralysis's usefulness pales in comparison to that of binds), but where its real use lies is both providing setup for, and giving an extra hit to... Lead Blow Requirements: One-Two level 5, Corkscrew level 2 Body parts used: Arms Deals melee STR-based bash damage to one enemy. If the target has an ailment and/or binds, follows up with the following skills: Flicker for head bind, Arm Break for arm bind, Liver Blow for leg bind, and Corkscrew for any ailment. The follow-up skills have a multiplier applied to their damage. While the description for the skill says "follow up with the skill that causes the same ailment," Lead Blow will activate Corkscrew if the target has any ailment at all, not just paralysis. Has a 90% speed modifier and no base accuracy modifier at all levels. Here it is: the Combo Boxer's ultimate damage skill. Assuming level 10 for all skills involved, even if you only proc one of the bind punches and Corkscrew, you still deal (150% + 337% + 360%) = 847% damage, which can go up to 1881% damage if the target is fully bound and has an ailment (which isn't impossible). Oh, and don't forget Giving it Everything, too, which can propel the damage to absurd levels (for anyone who doesn't feel like doing mental math: level 10 GiE means that the bind + ailment hit would deal 1694% damage, while the fully bound + ailment hit would deal 3762% damage). Rush Out Requirements: Speed Up level 5 Body parts used: Arms Deals multiple instances of melee STR-based bash damage to random enemies. Can hit the same target multiple times. The amount of attacks Rush Out deals is equal to the number of times the user hit an enemy on the last turn. As an example, if the user used One-Two and activated all three follow-ups, Rush Out would hit four times. Using Rush Out on the last turn does not count for hits given on the next turn. Has an 80% speed modifier and -10 base accuracy at all levels. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. No clue what the use case for this thing is, to be very frank with you. Cross Counter Requirements: Giving it Everything level 5 Body parts used: Arms For one turn, when an ally in the same row as the user takes STR-based damage, the user will attack the source of damage with their equipped weapon. Attempts to bind whichever body part was used to attack the damage receiver. If the source was a normal STR-based attack, Cross Counter (most likely) will attempt to bind the source's arms. Any modifiers to the user's normal attacks are applied for Cross Counter. For example, if the user has a Fire Oil effect, Cross Counter counterattacks will be bash+fire. Cross Counter only works once per turn. Initial prep has standard priority and a 1500% speed modifier at all levels. Counterattacks have +50 base accuracy at all levels. An otherwise great skill kind of hamstrung by the one activation per turn limit. I guess multiple activations would make it ludicrously overpowered, but I still have the right to be disappointed. Interval Requirements: None Body parts used: None Can only be used if the user has a bind or ailment. Removes all binds and ailments from the user. If a bind or ailment is removed, increases the user's damage on the next turn. Has a 200% speed modifier at all levels. Theoretically has its uses when going up against a disable-heavy boss, but is mostly designed to work with Clinch--although, for the latter, if you rotate Clinch -> Interval -> Attack, you're losing damage in the long run, since you spend three turns for 2.5x damage. Arm Block Requirements: None Body parts used: Arms Reduces the chance of being afflicted with ailments and binds for party members in the user's row for a set amount of turns. Has standard priority and a 70% speed modifier at all levels. The speed modifier is only taken into account when dealing with other standard priority skills. Nah. Clinch Requirements: Interval level 3, Arm Block level 3 Body parts used: None Attempts to bind the head, arms, and legs of both one enemy and the user. Each bind is rolled for individually. Has an 80% speed modifier at all levels. Stigmata from EOU/2U, but less effective, less cumbersome to use, and with more consistent internal logic. If you really want to go all-in on Lead Blow, this is a more efficient way of trying to bind an enemy than just spamming One-Two or individually waiting for the bind punches to land binds. Devastating Fistfighter Skills Common Passives: HP Up, Curb DEF Up Grit Requirements: None Increases the user's damage when their HP is below a certain percentage of their maximum. Grit's kind of dicey to really use if you're not using Giving it Everything on your Cestus--but, honestly, if you're going down the Devastating Fistfighter path, you really, REALLY should be using Giving it Everything. Vajra Stance Requirements: None Body parts used: Arms Increases defense against STR-based attacks for the user and any party members in their row for a set amount of turns. Has a 70% speed modifier at all levels. Excuse me for one moment while I laugh at a defense buff that caps out at 25% at levels 9/10. Soul Smash Requirements: None Body parts used: Arms Deals melee STR-based bash damage to all enemies. Heals the user for a percentage of the damage dealt. Has an 80% speed modifier and -5 base accuracy at all levels. Gives Devastating Fistfighters a way to contribute meaningfully to random encounters, and a little bit of sustain. I wouldn't necessarily max it out, but it's still useful. Ougi Rengokusatsu Requirements: Vajra Stance level 5, Soul Smash level 5 Body parts used: Head For one turn, the user will endure mortal damage once. The user's damage on the next turn is increased by some unknown function of the base increase and how much HP they have remaining. If I had to guess, the base damage increase and the percentage of HP the user is missing are added together to create the final multiplier. Essentially, surviving a fatal hit would leave the user at 1% HP (assuming the game rounds the % value), meaning that the damage increase would be 150% + 99% = 249%. It's roughly in line with what Interval gives, anyway. Has a 200% speed modifier at all levels. A really goddamn strange charge skill that's also really goddamn dangerous to try and make use of. It can work if you're not dealing with enemies that don't have random-target skills, I guess, but... Ehhh. At least the endure effect also means that, assuming your Cestus doesn't get healed before they act next turn, they'll also get a guaranteed Grit bonus. Giant Killer Requirements: None Body parts used: Arms Deals melee STR-based bash damage to one enemy. Damage is increased if the target has a higher percentage of their max HP than the user does--ie. if the user has 50% of their max HP and the target has 80%, the damage is amplified. While I'm not entirely certain if the damage bonus is additive or multiplicative, I see no reason to not assume it's additive--the scaling makes much more sense this way, as the increases per level are consistent. Has a 150% speed modifier and no base accuracy modifier at all levels. Best used in the opening of FOE/boss fights, obviously. The damage from it can actually stack up really drat quickly between Giving it Everything and Grit bonuses--a level 10 amplified Giant Killer with level 10 GiE and Grit will deal 1800% damage. The issue is that you're investing skill points in a skill that's useful as an opener, but which becomes harder to use as the fight goes on. That doesn't make it useless, mind you, just that you might want to consider how much you value big opening damage. Combos pretty well with Ougi Rengokusatsu, if that's your thing, since the endure effect will leave your Cestus at 1 HP. Back from the Dead Requirements: Giving it Everything level 3 Body parts used: Arms Deals melee STR-based bash damage to one enemy. Damage is affected in some way by how low the party's HP is. I cannot make any reasonable guesses on my own for how the damage is affected by the party's HP. However, the SQ5 @wiki has a few guesses based on hand-testing:
Has a 20% speed modifier and +50 base accuracy at all levels. ...Um. Okay. I called Ougi Rengokusatsu weird, but this one takes the drat cake. Ougi Tenchihaten Requirements: Giant Killer level 3, Back from the Dead level 3 Body parts used: Head Increases the user's damage on the next turn based on how much HP they recover on the turn that Ougi Tenchihaten is casted. How the damage increase value is modified is a mystery. The @wiki says that going from 1 HP to full HP in one turn made the test subject deal almost 4x damage on the next turn. Has a 200% speed modifier at all levels. I have my reservations about giving opinions on a skill that, truthfully, I have no idea how it works, but:
Kishinken Requirements: Kijinken level 3 Body parts used: Arms Consumes a percentage of the user's current HP to deal melee STR-based bash damage to one enemy. Has an 80% speed modifier and no base accuracy modifier at all levels. Low damage. Boring.
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Update 7: Rockface Rumble Red Iron Crayfish HP: 2153 STR: 44 INT: 44 VIT: 30 WIS: 27 AGI: 27 LUC: 25 Skills:
Disable Resistances: (Predict.) Might as well have Alexis dodge Ice Slicer. (Liver Blow.) Ice Slicer uses the legs, so I want Cecil to bind those. (Miasma Weapon.) Gonna try to go for a paralysis on the crayfish. (Magic Shield.) I'd rather have Kaelin just get Amplifier out of the way, but I also kind of want my front line to, y'know, live. (Prayer: Cold Rain.) Same reasoning as Magic Shield. I'd rather have Mio use Prayer: Eradication, but that's secondary to making sure I still have a front line. (Ice Slicer.) Stacking both Magic Shield and Prayer: Cold Rain was the right call. (Amplifier and Prayer: Eradication.) NOW I get to use the fun buffs. (Scythe of Numb Stasis.) Ooh, first try. (Normal attack.) At least Ice Slicer is really the only dangerous thing that the crayfish can do. (One-Two.) Now that I actually have the bind I really want, I might as well show One-Two. (It's level 1 right now, incidentally.) (Lightning.) The crayfish is weak to volt, so it only stands to reason that I'd use Lightning. You could use Ice Lance if you feel like losing, I guess. And now Mio's run out of things to do. One-Two's initial hit sucks, but... What you saw there was Arm Break. One-Two has a chance (34% at level 1) to use a basic bind punch (Flicker, Arm Break, Liver Blow) that corresponds to any binds the target doesn't have--for example, if the enemy has their head bound, One-Two could trigger either Arm Break or Liver Blow, but not Flicker. It can ramp up pretty quickly. 6 turns in, and we're doing pretty well, given that we only have Kaelin for elemental damage. (Red Iron Crayfish is observing the situation.) Oh, yeah, the crayfish'll sometimes just skip turns. Fine by me! (Defeated Red Iron Crayfish!) (Received 1 Crimson Carapace.) Eh, whatever, I'll get the conditional later. We got a Crimson Carapace, which we need for New menu development. (Obtained 3 Boiled Crayfishes.) Sylphid counterattacks now deal 71% damage, and Sylphid now has a 115% base chance to counter. Feeble Miasma now increases infliction chances by 1.31x. So close to Oracle: Dance. Let's get back to it, then. I'll need someone with Acrobatics if I want to actually make use of this event. Numbing Zemmy HP: 259 STR: 39 INT: 28 VIT: 26 WIS: 25 AGI: 33 LUC: 38 Skills:
Disable Resistances: Remember Yellow Gels from EO2U? They're back, and they're showing up much earlier in the game! I'd say kill these things last if at all possible, but as this formation shows, that's basically not an option a lot of the time. Plump Turkey HP: 370 STR: 38 INT: 33 VIT: 29 WIS: 26 AGI: 34 LUC: 26 Skills:
(Guard Wing.) Ah, gently caress. That's Predict's "each dodged attack lowers evasion" and damage amplification biting me in the rear end. (Received 1 Brown Feather and 1 Guardbird's Tailfeather.)  Pouncing Caracal HP: 284 STR: 40 INT: 27 VIT: 30 WIS: 29 AGI: 38 LUC: 24 Skills:
Disable Resistances: Pouncing Caracals continue an EO tradition: early enemies whose only skill is a physical attack that hits harder. (Dying Curse.) (Received 1 Triangular Kitten Ear and 1 Brown Feather.) (Received 1 Cecidium naturally, 1 Cecidium from Alexis, 1 Cecidium and 1 Aromatic Moss from Cecil, and 2 Cecidiums from Raven.) 6F, D2 Take Point
Having decent TP restoration this early in an EO game is refreshing after both of the Untolds. This event happens automatically. No-one in this party is capable of learning Feats of Strength, nor does Kaelin know Night Vision, so we'll have to come back later. Ignoring it leads to bad things--specifically, a character accidentally triggering a rockslide. Acrobatics lets them dodge it. Let's observe, shall we? "The threat of falling rocks Prudence pays off as you successfully avoid the falling rocks." One random battle later: I decide to start having Kaelin level up Incantation: Compression Form. At level 1, it costs 5 TP, and multiplies the damage of Kaelin's next skill by 1.65x, in exchange for making it only hit one target. Yes, Compression got seriously nerfed from EO2U--it's a charge skill instead of a buff. It's convinced me that I more than ever need to corner the market. If any of you guys submit Alchemists in any future LPs of EO games that have them, I'll cut you, don't disturb my monopoly. What was I talking about? Oh yeah, I guess Kaelin is fine too. (Obtained ...Huh. The Flash Pendant gives the wearer the ability to use Flasher, which costs 10 TP, and stuns all FOEs in the current room, preventing them from moving for one turn--basically the Flash Grenades from the Untolds. Neat, but useless. A boring encounter gives Cecil a level. We also finished Loves monsters more than regular meals. One-Two's initial hit now deals 103% damage, and has a 36% chance to trigger a basic bind punch. Fish point here. Eh, whatever. "A dangerous break You took a brief break in the Labyrinth before being attacked by dangerous monsters!" Feeble Miasma now multiplies infliction chances by 1.34x. And I finally have access to Oracle: Dance. Stopping to rest heals 25 HP and 15 TP. We don't need that right now, though. (Obtained 2 Medica IIIs restore 200 HP to one party member. That is overkill for everyone right now. Sylphid counterattacks now deal 75% damage, and Sylphid has a 120% base chance to activate. At this point, I also arbitrarily decide to take care of Hunter's pride. This quest is basically Minesweeper: EO Event Edition. Every tile in this room is now considered an event tile. When we press A on one of them... We're given this menu, where our options are:
Mana Detection Devices suck. They only tell you how many traps are directly near you--not what direction they're in. When we use Sense Mana, we'll be told if there are any traps directly near us within one of the four cardinal directions (cardinal directions mean relative to the map, instead of where your camera is). Once we know where a trap is (they're always in the same three spots)--in this case, to the east of us... For the sake of brevity, here's where the mine locations are: Note that stepping on a mine damages your entire party for 100 HP, in addition to lowering the reward. (Obtained 3 50% base chance to inflict panic on all enemies. That's honestly pretty good as far as panic chances though--they're generally lower than other ailments because of how powerful panic is as an ailment. One-Two now deals 106% on the initial hit, and has a 38% chance to activate the basic bind punches. Incantation: Compression Form now multiplies damage by 1.68x. Finally put a point into Oracle: Dance. I should probably explain what it actually does. Firstly, it requires that the user have one of the elemental resistance buffs on them--Prayer: Blaze, Prayer: Cold Rain, or Prayer: Purple Lightning. When Oracle: Dance is casted, it purges the oldest elemental resistance buff from the user (in case they have multiple), and deals ranged INT-based damage of whatever element whose resistance was cancelled. What's more, though, is that it reduces all enemies' resistance to that element for one turn. Rea fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Dec 7, 2016 |
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Reapers are a weird front line support class that have options for dealing multi-target physical damage. Their primary role is weakening enemies through a few ailments and debuffs--beyond that, they can either expand their damage options as Death-Bringing Reapers, or double up on debuffs and support skills as Death-Warding Reapers. Both options kind of occupy weird niches, though, and to be honest, it's kind of hard to say what kinds of parties would really need a Reaper. Still, they're useful enough, and multi-target damage is actually relevant for more bosses than you'd think. The primary issue with Reapers, though, is TP. Their skills almost universally start out costing a boatload, and only get worse as you level up--and remember that Earthruns, their base race, have the worst TP in the game. Stats Earthrun Base Death-Bringing Reaper: Damage and ailments Death-Warding Reaper: Supporting Basic gist of the stats: Death-Bringing Reapers get more HP, STR, and LUC, while Death-Warding Reapers get more TP, VIT, WIS, and AGI. Reapers can equip For reclassing: again, when it comes to damage specs, Therians could be used for more STR, although that's not as great an option for Death-Bringing Reapers, since they also rely somewhat on LUC. If you don't care about Scythe of Transcience for Death-Warding Reapers, you could reclass a Brownie into one for more TP and WIS. Basic Skills Scythe Mastery Requirements: None Increases damage dealt with scythes. Gather Souls Requirements: None Increases the encounter rate for a certain number of steps. Increases EXP earned from battles. Um. Useful for grinding up new party members maybe? Completely redundant for me, since I have the DLC. Miasma Weapon Requirements: None Body parts used: Arms Consumes a percentage of the user's current HP to place the Miasma Weapon state on them. A central skill for a good chunk of Reaper skills. The Miasma Weapon state doesn't do anything on its own, but it enables secondary effects, such as ailments on Scythe skills, and is required to use skills like Shroud of Reality. Preemptive Weapon Requirements: Miasma Weapon level 2 Gives the user a chance to be placed in the Miasma Weapon state at the start of battle. Kinda useful if you rely on Scythe of Cruel Poison for clearing out random encounters, or Scythe of Death for deleting troublesome enemies. Not too great for FOE or boss fights, though. I'd say it couldn't hurt to put one, or even five, points in it--I wouldn't max it out, though. Endless Shroud Requirements: Miasma Weapon level 2 Gives the user a chance to be placed in the Miasma Weapon state when using a debuff skill. More useful for Death-Warding Reapers than Death-Bringing Reapers, although ironically, Death-Bringing Reapers want the Miasma Weapon state more than Death-Warding Reapers do. Death's Judgement Requirements: Miasma Weapon level 2 As long as the user is in the Miasma Weapon state, whenever they lose HP (either through damage or self-inflicted HP loss), they have a chance to attempt to inflict sleep on one enemy. The base chance of the sleep infliction is 100%. Something to put skill points into once you've run out of other skills, I guess. 100% base chance is decent, but the actual activation chance sucks even at level 10. Frail Miasma Requirements: None Body parts used: Head Reduces all enemies' attack for a set amount of turns. Has an 85% speed modifier at all levels. Attack debuffs have never been my thing in EO games, and it certainly isn't here. 9 or 10 skill points for a 20% reduction?! Feeble Miasma Requirements: Frail Miasma level 3 Body parts used: Head Reduces all enemies' resistance to ailments and binds for a set amount of turns. Has an 85% speed modifier at all levels. Now that's more like it. Not just useful for the Reaper themself, it's even better if you have other disablers like Cesti or Smoke-focused Herbalists on your team. Doesn't seem to be bugged like disable resistances modifiers were in EO2U, either! Scythe of Numb Stasis/Exorcism Requirements: None for Numb Stasis, Scythe of Numb Stasis level 3 for Exorcism Body parts used: Arms Deals melee STR-based cut damage to one row of enemies. If the user is in the Miasma Weapon state, attempts to inflict paralysis/curse on hit targets. Has a 60% speed modifier and no base accuracy modifier at all levels. Numb Stasis has its uses early on, when your overall access to useful ailments is limited, and your only available debilitating ailments are paralysis and sleep--it starts to become far less useful once you get specializations and more skill points, though. Exorcism is useless all game, though, so don't worry about that. Death-Bringing Reaper Skills Common Passives: TP Up, Curb ATK Up Black Blade Requirements: None When the user is in the Miasma Weapon state, increases their damage when they inflict an ailment. Three ailment inflictions equals almost double damage? Even just two of them equals 66%? Gimme gimme gimme. My only caveat is consider how likely it is for other party members to inflict ailments before your Reaper does, and how likely you are to inflict three ailments from just your Reaper alone, before investing in that last level--that mostly comes down to how quickly your party can finish FOE/boss fights. Black Shroud Requirements: None When the user is in the Miasma Weapon state, increases their defense when they inflict an ailment. This, on the other hand, can go straight in the garbage. Fresh Blood Slash Requirements: Death's Judgement level 3 Body parts used: Arms Consumes a percentage of the user's current HP to deal 2-4 instances of melee STR-based cut damage to random enemies. Can hit the same target multiple times. Has a 50% speed modifier and -10 base accuracy at all levels. Fresh Blood Slash can actually deal pretty good damage if it hits three or four times, especially given its TP cost. The only problem is the level 10 HP cost is actually pretty steep, although the speed modifier plus scythes having speed penalties also means that you can usually use this after the enemy's taken their turn. Like its prerequisite implies, it can also activate Death's Judgement, if you care about that passive. Great Scythe of Cold Ash Requirements: Death's Judgement level 3 Body parts used: Arms Deals melee STR-based cut+ice damage to one row of enemies. If a target has an ailment, they are also hit with an extra melee STR-based cut+ice damage attack that deals double the damage of the first hit. Has a 75% speed modifier and no base accuracy modifier at all levels. Probably the most reliable of the Death-Bringing Reaper skills--I say most reliable because Fresh Blood Slash is a random number of hits, and Shroud of Reality requires ending the Miasma Weapon state. You really need to be careful with how many points you put into Great Scythe of Cold Ash--Reaper skills are expensive as is, and levels 5 to 9 (let alone 10) will drain their TP dry in less than double digit casts for almost all of the game. Shroud of Reality Requirements: Fresh Blood Slash level 3, Great Scythe of Cold Ash level 3 Body parts used: Arms Requires the Miasma Weapon state to use. Ends the Miasma Weapon state immediately, and takes the user out of battle. At the end of the turn, deals melee STR-based cut damage to one enemy, and returns the user to battle. Has +50 base accuracy at all levels. Shroud of Reality is best used not as a consistent damage skill, but as something you use on the last turn of Miasma Weapon if you don't need to inflict any ailments. Trying to use it as a normal damage skill is not only inefficient in terms of damage, it's also an even bigger drain on a Reaper's TP than Great Scythe of Cold Ash. Scythe of Cruel Poison Requirements: Scythe of Exorcism level 3 Body parts used: Arms Deals melee STR-based cut damage to one row of enemies. If the user is in the Miasma Weapon state, attempts to inflict poison on hit targets. Has a 60% speed modifier and no base accuracy modifier at all levels. The best poison skill in the game--if you want a frame of reference for how the base damage actually scales, I relied pretty heavily on Scythe of Cruel Poison in my most recent non-LP run of EO5, and when fighting the 3rd Stratum boss (meaning a Reaper around level 40), Scythe of Cruel Poison's poison ticked for a little over 600 damage. Scythe of Wicked Chaos Requirements: Scythe of Exorcism level 3 Body parts used: Arms Deals melee STR-based cut damage to one row of enemies. If the user is in the Miasma Weapon state, attempts to inflict panic on hit targets. Has a 60% speed modifier and no base accuracy modifier at all levels. Scythe of Wicked Chaos is unfortunately kind of hamstrung by panic chances just innately being lower than most other ailments, due to how powerful panic is and how it can easily cheese most boss fights. Scythe of Death Requirements: Scythe of Cruel Poison level 3, Scythe of Wicked Chaos level 3 Body parts used: Arms Deals melee STR-based cut damage to one enemy. Attempts to instantly kill the target. The damage and instant kill chance are increased if the target is asleep. The damage in the table image accounts for the 1.5x sleep damage bonus. Has a 20% speed modifier and -10 base accuracy at all levels. A skill that just screams "PLEASE USE ME FOR SLEEP BOMBING, PLEASE." Good luck ever really making use of the instant death component, but holy moly that damage. Death-Warding Reaper Skills Common Passives: HP Up, Mag DEF Up Absorb Vitality Requirements: None When the user inflicts a debuff, their HP is restored. The restoration from Absorb Vitality can increase the user's maximum HP for one turn. Free sustain and a bit of extra durability for a turn! Absorb Vitality's worth dropping leftover points into, but I wouldn't prioritize it. Death Resistance Requirements: Endless Shroud level 5 Gives the user a chance to nullify ailments and debuffs inflicted on them. Does not apply to binds, instant death, or stun. I guess one point for a 10% chance to stop an ailment isn't bad, but I wouldn't invest nine more just to bring the chance up to 25%. Blood of Atonement Requirements: Death Resistance level 5 Body parts used: Head Requires the Miasma Weapon state to use. Ends the Miasma Weapon state immediately, and restores all party members' HP. Also has a chance to cure ailments. Has an 85% speed modifier at all levels. Earthrun have pretty bad WIS, the speed modifier plus the speed penalties scythes impose can mean that Blood of Atonement can go late in the turn, and the ailment cure chance isn't even guaranteed at level 10. Can you tell I'm a little shaky on Blood of Atonement? Its only real use is if you know ahead of time that some big attack that inflicts ailments is coming. Wall of Miasma Requirements: Death Resistance level 5 Body parts used: Head Requires the Miasma Weapon state to use. Ends the Miasma Weapon state immediately, and gives all party members a chance to nullify any ailments or binds for one turn. Wall of Miasma has a limit to how many inflictions it can block. Has standard priority. Barrier from EO2U, but innately stronger (doesn't require a certain level or above of a passive to be guaranteed) and less spammable. I actually do really like Wall of Miasma, both from a design perspective (it fixes a lot of the things that were dumb about Barrier), and from a practicality perspective. Brittle Miasma Requirements: Feeble Miasma level 3 Body parts used: Head Reduces all enemies' defense for a set amount of turns. Has an 85% speed modifier at all levels. Defense debuffs! Kind of weird that this is a specialization skill, but hey, defense debuff! You can't go wrong with them, unless you're already stacking tons of attack buffs on your party. Dim Miasma Requirements: Feeble Miasma level 3 Body parts used: Head Reduces all enemies' non-base accuracy for a set amount of turns. Has an 85% speed modifier at all levels. Accuracy debuffs? Blech. Scythe of Transcience Requirements: Brittle Miasma level 5, Dim Miasma level 5 Body parts used: Arms Targets one enemy. Removes all debuffs from the target, and deals multiple instances of melee STR-based cut damage to the target. The number of hits is equal to the number of debuffs removed from the target. Debuffs are removed before dealing damage. Has a 75% speed modifier at all levels. Does not check for accuracy. Here it is: ironically, the best damage skill for a Reaper. If you purge off three debuffs from an enemy, Scythe of Transcience will deal 2100% damage. That's not terribly good damage per turn, mind you (three turns to debuff plus one turn to actually use Scythe of Transcience means you're effectively dealing 525% per turn, assuming you spam that rotation), but that's not really what Scythe of Transcience is for. It's for just getting a bit of damage when any debuffs you've used are already about to run out. And hey, if you're using a Cestus, be sure to have them use a level 10 Giving it Everything on a Death-Warding Reaper that's about to perform a three-debuff Scythe of Transcience! They'll hit for 4200% damage, which is always fun. Soul Transfer Requirements: Brittle Miasma level 5, Dim Miasma level 5 Body parts used: Head Targets one enemy. Removes all debuffs from the target, and gives all party members a chance to revive after being killed for one turn. The revive can activate once per party member. Has standard priority. The defensive counterpart to Scythe of Transcience. I dunno about you, but leaving a party member's fate up to a 75% chance that only lasts for one turn makes me kind of antsy. There's a few fights in the very lategame and postgame where you could make some use of Soul Transfer, I suppose, if you don't have any other reliable methods of dealing with potential party wipes.
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In my ill-thought out opinion, disable resistance buffs aren't worth it unless they're ludicrously high (Health in EO2) or are just Barrier/Wall of Miasma. Also yeah Death-Warding Reapers have a pretty janky skillset but the values attached to them mean that they work out better in practice.
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Warlocks are the elemental damage-focused spellcaster class of EO5, in the vein of Alchemists, Zodiacs, and Runemasters from previous EOs. To be honest, I could just end the intro block right there, but Warlocks do have some unique things going for them: namely, Incantations and their first specialization. Incantations are essentially charge skills with unique effects. A basic example is Incantation: Compression Form, which changes multi-target skills to single-target in exchange for more damage--basically letting you spend more TP to remove an unneeded multi-target benefit during, say, boss fights. In addition to that, there's also High-Speed Incantation, a Basic passive that makes it so that a Warlock can cast both an Incantation and an attack skill on the same turn. Their first specialization also gives them the ability to inflict INT-based physical damage, something the series hasn't really tried since the Phys Up tree in EO2 and Meteor in EO3. Stats Lunarian Base  Master of the Six Ways: Physical damage, disables, and multi-hit Ruler of Fire, Ice, and Lightning: Laser-focus on elemental damage Basic gist of the stats: Masters of the Six Ways get more HP, VIT, WIS, and LUC, while Rulers of Fire, Ice, and Lightning get more TP and INT. Warlocks can equip There's legitimately no good reclass options for Warlocks that I can think of. Unlike the Earthrun classes, who largely deal physical damage, Lunarian classes can't really be effectively used by anyone other than Lunarians, due to their damage entirely being based on INT. Basic Skills Magi Mastery Requirements: None  Increases damage dealt with Warlock skills. High-Speed Incantation Requirements: Magi Mastery level 5 Removes the need to use a turn to use Incantation skills, but increases the TP cost of Incantation skills as well. High-Speed Incantation is a permanent passive--it cannot be turned off once learned! High-Speed Incantation fundamentally changes how a Warlock is used, and that change isn't necessarily good. To use Compression as an example, if you use a level 10 Fireball and a level 10 Compression, with level 5 High-Speed Incantation, your Warlock essentially now deals 2.25x of their normal damage on every turn. However, you're now also spending an extra 20 TP per turn on applying Compression--over a two turn period, Fireball would deal 472% damage for 33 TP without a High-Speed-influenced Compression, while High-Speed would mean your Warlock would deal 944% damage for 76 TP. In the late and postgame, where you start getting better TP restorations (Amrita IIs, mostly), and Rulers of Fire, Ice, and Lightning get Cost Cut access, this TP cost spike can become manageable, but before then, you really need to have a good grasp on how quickly your party can end FOE/boss fights, because High-Speed Incantation could easily mean your Warlock will run out of TP far before anyone else in your party. Fireball / Icicle Lance / Lightning Requirements: None Body parts used: head Deals ranged INT-based fire/ice/volt damage. Fireball targets one enemy and deals splash damage, Icicle Lance targets one enemy and has a line-piercing effect, Lightning targets one row of enemies. Fireball has a 70% speed modifier at all levels, Icicle Lance has no speed modifier at all levels, Lightning has a 130% speed modifier at all levels. All have 130 base accuracy at all levels. The basic Warlock attack skills. I don't have much to say about the skills themselves, but I should note something about the elements: if you're trying to min-max how effective a Warlock is in early boss fights, note that no boss before the postgame is exclusively weak to fire--Golem and the final boss are exclusively weak to ice, the 2nd Stratum boss is exclusively weak to volt, and the 3rd and 4th Strata bosses are weak to everything. Amplifier Requirements: None Body parts used: Head Increases all party members' INT-based attack for a set number of turns. Has an 80% speed modifier at all levels. If you don't have a Shaman on your team, there's worse things you could do than having your Warlock focus on Amplifier early on, mostly because leveling up the attack skills too much early on will give your Warlock really bad TP issues, meaning that any buffs you can give them to increase their damage are pretty valuable Magic Shield Requirements: Amplifier level 2 Body parts used: Head Reduces INT-based damage to all party members for one turn. Has a 500% speed modifier at all levels. I made use of this during Golem to ensure my party could live through Explosion, but beyond that, I don't think much of Magic Shield, mostly because I'm not that big a fan of having a damage dealer class perform support duties. Incantation: Compression Form Requirements: None Body parts used: Head On the next turn, multi-target skills (does not apply to Alter or Magic Weapon, basically) will only hit one target, but gain increased damage as well. Has a 60% speed modifier at all levels. Oh man, Compression, look what they did to you... Remember how Compression cost 5 TP at level 20 in EO2U, and buffed all-target attacks for double damage at the same level? Remember how that lasted for effectively three turns, too? Yeah, uh, now it costs 15 TP for 2.25x damage for one attack. That doesn't mean it's bad, mind you--far from it, since it means your Warlock isn't wasting potential damage on keeping multi-target targeting in FOE/boss fights. It's just... Jesus, I knew Compression was powerful, but that's one of the most severe nerfs to a single skill I've seen in the entire EO series. Levitation Requirements: None For a set number of steps, damage tiles are negated, and the chance of getting a preemptive attack is increased. Labyrinth skills, blehhhhhhh. I don't mind one point in Levitation since the 3rd Stratum and 6th Stratum's primary gimmicks are damage tiles, but any more than that is a ludicrous waste. Invisible Requirements: None For a set number of steps, reduces the encounter rate. Reduce the amount of EXP your party gets overall. What a fantastic idea. Master of the Six Ways Skills Common Passives: TP Up, Mag DEF Up Reserve Magic Requirements: None If the user attacked using a different element than the one they're using this turn (say, they casted Fireball on the last turn and Icicle Lance on this turn), the previous turn's element is added to this one, and damage is increased--the Fireball/Icicle Lance example would result in Icicle Lance being fire+ice. Only the base element of the skill used on the last turn counts for Reserve Magic--you can't daisy-chain various Reserve Magic elements together. Reserve Magic resets every other turn, including the damage bonus. A pretty neat passive that encourages varying up the skills you use and lets the physical skills still hit elemental weaknesses. What's not to love? Even if you don't want to drop 10 skill points on a 25% damage bonus, at least put one in for the element copy effect. Windstorm Requirements: Fireball level 3, Icicle Lance level 3, Lightning level 3 Body parts used: Head Deals ranged INT-based cut damage to all enemies. Attempts to bind hit targets' arms. Has no speed modifier and 130 base accuracy at all levels. The physical skills! Windstorm's probably the most "generically useful," I guess, of the three, mostly because arm binds are pretty useful, and a Multistrike Windstorm has a pretty decent chance of inflicting them. Earth Spike Requirements: Fireball level 3, Icicle Lance level 3, Lightning level 3 Body parts used: Head Deals ranged INT-based stab damage to all enemies. Reduces hit targets' INT-based attack for one turn. Has no speed modifier and 130 base accuracy at all levels. ...Well, uh, that's a... Okay, I won't mince words, that's a pretty garbage secondary effect. Rockfall Requirements: Fireball level 3, Icicle Lance level 3, Lightning level 3 Body parts used: Head Deals ranged INT-based bash damage to all enemies. Attempts to stun hit targets. Has a 150% speed modifier and 130 base accuracy at all levels. Rockfall isn't that fantastic on its own, but when used with Multistrike, it actually has a pretty decent shot at stunning something that doesn't have 10% resistance to stun! Unfortunately, most bosses do have 10% resistance to stun, but hey. Alter Requirements: Windstorm level 5, Earth Spike level 5, Rockfall level 5 Body parts used: Head Three turns after casting, deals ranged INT-based bash damage to one enemy at the start of the turn. Attempts to inflict petrification on the target. Initial prep has a 90% speed modifier at all levels. Actual hit has 200 base accuracy at all levels. Alter is pretty drat strange. It costs a boatload of TP, doesn't deal that much damage, has a three-turn delay, and can't be affected by either Compression or Multistrike due to the delay. On the other hand, that petrification chance is pretty decent, and a decent chunk of late and postgame bosses have 50% (or more) resistance to petrification. Anti-Magic Requirements: Magic Shield level 5 Gives a chance to negate INT-based attacks on the user's row. ...Neato. Something for leftover skill points. Life Drain Requirements: Anti-Magic level 3 When the user hits an enemy's weakness (101% resistance or higher), their Union gauge is restored. Union restoration's always good (especially since Lunarians actually have pretty decent Union skills), and Reserve Magic means you can proc Life Drain even when using physical skills. Incantation: Multistrike Form Requirements: Incantation: Compression Form level 5 Body parts used: Head On the next turn, skills will become multi-hit. Multistrike Form versions of skills deal 2-6 instances of damage. Each hit deals a percentage of the skill's normal damage. Has a 60% speed modifier at all levels. Multistrike does more than just overall increasing damage. Remember how the physical skills all had extra effects attached? For Windstorm and Rockfall, each hit of a Multistrike version will attempt to inflict their disable. That alone makes it worth investing in, in my eyes, although I'd probably stop at either level 4 or level 9 for a while. Ruler of Fire, Ice, and Lightning Skills Common Passives: Mag ATK Up, Curb DEF Up Common Magic Requirements: None If a party member used an INT-based attack before the user, the user's damage is increased. A strong argument for having another spellcaster in your party (say, a Shaman with Oracle: Dance), or at least stocking up on tons of Jars. Warlocks are just generally slow due to staff/artillery speed penalties and Lunarians having low AGI, so you can pretty much almost always get a Common Magic bonus if you actively try to. Explode / Ice Stream / Thunder Break Requirements:
Deals ranged INT-based fire/ice/volt damage to all enemies. Has an 80% speed modifier and 150 base accuracy at all levels. I don't have a lot to say about these beyond "you'll need points in them" and "for the love of god think about how much you need levels in them early on," because seriously, I talked about potential TP issues before, but good lord. Magic Leak Requirements: Explode level 3, Ice Stream level 3, Thunder Break level 3 Body parts used: Head Places a buff on the user that restores a percentage of any TP they use to a random party member for a set amount of turns. Has no speed modifier at all levels. Nnnnnnnnnot something I'm terribly interested in. The fact that it randomly targets one party member kind of kills it for me. Cost Cut Requirements: Explode level 3, Ice Stream level 3, Thunder Break level 3 Gives a chance for the user to not expend TP when using a skill. Free Energy, but it requires 10 levels now. Worth putting points into if you don't want to level up attack skills because of TP costs! Magic Weapon Requirements: Magic Shield level 3 Body parts used: Arms Deals INT-based damage to one enemy. The range and element are determined by the user's equipped weapon and any extra effects on it (since Warlocks can only equip staves or artillery, if one had a Prayer: Purple Lightning effect, for example, Magic Weapon would deal bash+volt damage and be ranged). Has no speed modifier at all levels. Magic Weapon is kind of bizarre, and it unfortunately isn't affected by Compression, but it can actually hurt quite a lot, and the damage to TP ratio is super efficient. The only downside to it is that you need your Warlock in the front row to make it actually hurt a lot, which...is actually a pretty big downside. Incantation: Reduction Form Requirements: Incantation: Compression Form level 5 Body parts used: Head On the next turn, reduces the damage of the user's next skill, but also reduces its TP cost. Has a 60% speed modifier at all levels. ...Eh. My big problem with Reduction is that you can't stack multiple Incantations on one turn, meaning that you not only lose out on damage from it, you also lose out on Compression damage. All to effectively save 20 (15 with level 5 High-Speed Incantation) TP per skill. Rea fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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Necromancers are a pseudo-damage dealer pseudo-support summon-focused class--probably the oddest class in EO5 by a large margin. Their skillset is all over the place and comprises several different possible roles, with one central theme tying it all together: ghosts. Necromancers, like Hounds, are focused entirely on their summons--in fact, Necromancers basically can't do poo poo without ghosts, because most of their skills require killing at least one ghost to do something. Depending on the specialization you pick, Necromancers might not work so well with a Dragoon that uses Bunker/Pillbox or a Hound, since summon slots are limited and you ideally want as many ghosts out at one time as possible. Stats Lunarian Base Spirit-Summoning Necromancer: Support-ish Spirit-Destroying Necromancer: Damage dealer-ish Basic gist of the stats: Spirit-Summoning Necromancers get more TP, VIT, AGI, and LUC while Spirit-Destroying Necromancers get more HP, INT, and WIS. Necromancers can equip Ghost Stats Ghosts have a lot of HP and a decent amount of STR (actually more than Therians have at level 99, without specializations) and LUC, and bad INT and AGI, which really don't matter. What does matter, though, is that their high HP is offset by their terrible VIT and WIS--they can eat a lot of damage, but their problem is that they take a lot more damage than a player would. Much like Warlocks, there's really not any good reclass options for Necromancers. Basic Skills Ghost Mastery Requirements: None Increases ghost normal attack damage, and the chance of them inflicting paralysis with their normal attacks. Uh... Ghost normal attacks never really amount to much, and doubling them really won't help. The paralysis base chance is also (in my experience) low enough that multiplying it by six doesn't really help much. Ghost Summoning Requirements: None Body parts used: Head Consumes 15% of the user's current HP to create a ghost with a max HP bonus. Has no speed modifier at all levels. One of two active ways to create a ghost--the other active one is part of a specialization, while the rest of them are all passives. Ghosts already have enough HP that I don't think leveling it up beyond what you need for other skills is necessary. The Price of Life Requirements: Ghost Summoning level 2 Body parts used: Head Destroys one ghost. Restores all party members' HP. Has an 80% speed modifier at all levels. Useful as an emergency party heal--it's also one of the few methods you get early on for healing your entire party at once--and by "few methods" I mean "it's the only Basic skill that heals the entire party," meaning your other option early on is Somas. Unfortunately, all-target attacks mean your ghosts will probably die along with your party being hurt, but them's the breaks. Moaning Spirits Requirements: None Body parts used: Head Destroys one ghost. Reduces one enemy's defense for a set amount of turns. Has no speed modifier at all levels. Defense debuff! If you want your Necromancer to play more of a supporting role, this is a pretty decent skill to pick up. Soul Food Requirements: None Body parts used: Head Destroys one ghost. Increases all party members' INT-based defense for a set amount of turns. Has no speed modifier at all levels. Nah. Raising defense exclusively against magic attacks isn't worth putting points in. Merciless Wall Requirements: Moaning Spirits level 2, Soul Food level 2 Body parts used: Head Targets one ghost. The selected ghost will tank all damage to the party until the end of the turn. The ghost under the effect of Merciless Wall has a modifier applied to all damage it takes. Has standard priority. Merciless Wall is actually fairly useful for just taking some heat off your party for a bit, but, uh, don't expect ghosts to really be able to live long when using this. Even at level 10, ghosts will still take boatloads of damage because of their low VIT and WIS--plan your usage of Merciless Wall around this! Gravekeeping Knowledge Requirements: None If the user goes a turn without taking any damage, they have a chance to summon a ghost. A few points in Gravekeeping Knowledge can be useful, especially if you're using a dodgetank Fencer to just keep attacks off the rest of your party, but I wouldn't invest fully in it. Ghost Reincarnation Requirements: Gravekeeping Knowledge level 3 When a ghost is destroyed in battle, the user has a chance to summon another one. Ghost Reincarnation is more useful for Ghost-Destroying Necromancers, since they have more skills that just destroy multiple ghosts at once. Poison Bomb Requirements: None Body parts used: Head Destroys one ghost. Attempts to inflict poison on all enemies. Has no speed modifier at all levels. Definitely one of the better skills to rush for at early levels--although note that "rush for" does not necessarily mean "get to 10 as soon as possible." It costs way less than Fire Bomb does, and'll deal far more damage once it actually lands. Combine with Poison Smoke (assuming that doesn't inflict its own poison) for easy inflictions! Fire Bomb Requirements: None Body parts used: Head Destroys one ghost. Deals ranged INT-based fire damage to all enemies. Has no speed modifier and 150 base accuracy at all levels. Less than useful early on, despite me tossing points into it early on. It does deal an okay amount of damage, but holy cripes that TP cost. Double digits for levels 1-4 on a Basic skill is incredibly unreasonable. Spirit-Summoning Necromancer Skills Common Passives: HP Up, Curb ATK Up Ghost Secret Arts Requirements: None Whenever any party member or enemy dies, the user has a chance to summon a ghost. Ludicrously useless in boss fights, unless you come up with a strategy that involves constnatly intentionally letting party members die to create ghosts, in which case, uh... Well, props to you for that unique and inventive strategy! Curse Transfer Requirements: The Price of Life level 5 When the user takes fatal damage, if a ghost is currently summoned, they have a chance to destroy the ghost and restore a static amount of HP instead of dying. I'm not convinced that 10 skill points are worth a 50% chance to endure mortal damage, mostly since Necromancers are extremely skill point-hungry. Soul Trade Requirements: Curse Transfer level 5 Body parts used: Head Destroys one ghost. Attempts to revive all dead party members. Has no speed modifier at all levels. If you're in a situation where you'd need Soul Trade, you have bigger problems than relying on a 75% chance to bring someone back to life. Open Grave Requirements: Merciless Wall level 3 Body parts used: Head Targets one ally. For one turn, when that ally is attacked, all ghosts will counterattack. The counterattack overrides normal ghost attacks. Counterattacks attempt to inflict paralysis on hit targets. Each time a ghost counterattacks, the chance of Open Grave activating decreases by 9%. The base chance starts at 100%. Has a 300% speed modifier at all levels. Counterattacks has 120 base accuracy at all levels. Useful if you have a Dragon's Roar tank or if you have Bunkers/Pillboxes out, I suppose. Remember that the damage will be less impressive than the number seems, since ghosts only have STR, with no weapon ATK. Ghost Dance Requirements: Open Grave level 5 Body parts used: Head For one turn, all ghosts will attack 3 times. Each attack's damage is multiplied at each level by a certain value. Has a 200% speed modifier at all levels. Benefits from Ghost Mastery. Eh... The Ghost Mastery bonus makes Ghost Dance okay. Without it, though, it's really drat mediocre. Curse Bomb Requirements: Poison Bomb level 3 Body parts used: Head Destroys one ghost. Attempts to inflict curse on all enemies. Has no speed modifier at all levels. l o l Ice Bomb Requirements: Fire Bomb level 3 Body parts used: Head Destroys one ghost. Deals ranged INT-based ice damage to all enemies. Has no speed modifier and 150 base accuracy at all levels. Literally just Fire Bomb but with a different element. Gravestone Binding Requirements: Curse Bomb level 3, Ice Bomb level 3 Body parts used: Head Destroys all ghosts. Attempts to inflict petrification on one enemy. The base infliction chance depends on the number of ghosts destroyed. Has no speed modifier at all levels. Now here's something I can get behind! Petrification's a drat good ailment, and even just two ghosts gives a pretty good chance of inflicting it. Spirit-Destroying Necromancer Skills Common Passives: TP Up, Mag ATK Up The Beckoning of Hades Requirements: None When the user is below a certain HP threshold, they have a chance to summon a ghost at the end of a turn. Those HP thresholds are too low for me to really recommend investing in The Beckoning of Hades, honestly. Preemptive Ghost Summoning Requirements: The Price of Life level 3 The user has a chance to use Ghost Summoning at the start of a battle. A nice convenience for dungeon exploration, pretty useless in FOE/boss fights. Equivalent Exchange Requirements: Merciless Wall level 3 Body parts used: Head Destroys one ghost. Deals ranged untyped damage to one enemy. The damage is exactly equal to a percentage of how much HP the ghost had when it was destroyed. Has an 80% speed modifier and 150 base accuracy at all levels. I don't think much of Equivalent Exchange on its own, but it's part of this standard rotation for Spirit-Destroying Necromancers:
You basically get 4.5x the damage of whatever The Gates of Hell would've dealt normally. Only downside to this rotation is that you need at least one ghost at all times to use Sacrifice, which means either having to take a turn to use Ghost Summoning, or hoping one of the passive summons activates. Ghost Explosion Requirements: Equivalent Exchange level 5 Body parts used: Head Destroys all ghosts. Deals ranged INT-based bash+fire damage to all enemies. The damage is based on how many ghosts were destroyed. Has no speed modifier and 150 base accuracy at all levels. Three ghosts for 600% (INT) damage, at the cost of 45 TP, is...questionable. Sacrifice Requirements: None Body parts used: Head Destroys one ghost. Increases the user's damage until the end of the next turn. Has no speed modifier at all levels. Given how much Necromancer skills cost innately, 25 TP for 2.25x damage could be worse. It's kind of hard to combo it with Ghost Explosion, though, since this requires, y'know, blowing up a ghost. Negative Energy Requirements: Sacrifice level 3 Body parts used: Head Deals ranged INT-based almighty damage to one enemy. For each party member and enemy that died on that turn, as well as for each ghost destroyed on that turn, the damage is increased by 150% (additive, not multiplicative). The damage has no cap. Has a -100% speed modifier at all levels. Does not check for accuracy. What the gently caress is this worthless skill? I mean, maybe you can get use out of it in normal encounters, but still, what the gently caress? The Gates of Hell Requirements: Poison Bomb level 5, Fire Bomb level 5 Body parts used: Head Deals ranged INT-based bash damage to one enemy. Summons a ghost with HP equal to how much damage was dealt. Has an 80% speed modifier and 150 base accuracy at all levels. Summon a ghost while dealing damage. I can think of worse ways to invest skill points. It's also part of the standard rotation for Spirit-Destroying Necromancers, so... Zombie Powder Requirements: The Gates of Hell level 5 Body parts used: Head Attempts to instantly kill one enemy. If the instant death succeeds, summons a ghost with HP equal to how much HP the enemy had left. Has a 50% speed modifier at all levels. Ahaha, this loving skill. Okay, obviously this thing doesn't do much in boss fights, but it's useful for random encounters at level 10, and there's a fun exploit with it. See, there's a 4th Stratum FOE that has over 10,000 HP...but it's also weak to instant death ("weak" in the context of an FOE meaning 75%). Guess what happens when you kill it with Zombie Powder? If you guessed "a ghost with 9999 HP spawns," congratulations! (Ghost HP totals, and player HP totals in general, have been capped at 9999 since EO2U.) Now, you could waste this amazing ghost on Merciless Wall... Or, you could go the fun route, and use it with Equivalent Exchange for 9999 guaranteed damage! If you want an idea of how useful that is, the final boss has 35347 HP. Want to just chop off 28% of its HP? Use the exploit! Want to deal 85% of the final boss's total HP in three turns? Bring along three of the 9999 HP ghosts! I mean, you'll have to walk the entire way to wherever you want to go, because Floor Jump doesn't exist anymore, but eh. Rea fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Dec 10, 2016 |
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Hounds are a speed-heavy summon-focused class that can function either as damage dealers (by focusing on their hawk summons) or as supports and disablers (by focusing on their dog summons). As I'm sure you can infer, they're pretty versatile in what roles they can fill, and I'd be hard-pressed to find a party where they didn't work. Okay, that's a lie, since Necromancers might not necessarily play nicely with them (especially Spirit-Summoning Necromancers), but other than that, what party that needs a slot filled wouldn't do well with a fast class that's capable of inflicting damage from range and can perform healer duties? Stats Therian Base Falcon-Accompanied Hound: Hawk-focused damage dealer Dog-Leading Hound: Dog-focused supporter and disabler Basic gist of the stats: Falcon-Accompanied Hounds get more HP, STR, and AGI, while Dog-Leading Hounds get more TP, VIT, WIS, and LUC. Hounds can equip There's just straight-up no reclass options for either Hound specialization. Hawk Stats Hawks aren't particularly durable, but holy gently caress are they strong and fast. Their LUC's pretty good, too. Dog Stats Dogs are a little tankier than hawks are, but considerably slower, quite a bit less strong, and have a bit less LUC. Worth noting: if specific commands are not given to a hawk or dog, they have their own passive AI. The hawk will attack a random enemy (and attempt to bind its head), while the dog will heal whatever party member has the lowest absolute HP. Dog normal attacks only show up for target arrow, but they attempt to bind the legs of hit targets. Basic Skills Bow Mastery Requirements: None Increases damage dealt with bows. Animal Therapy Requirements: None When a hawk or dog is summoned, restores all party members and summons' HP at the end of the turn. Does not activate if the user is panicked, petrified, or dead. Free passive healing. It's never gonna really amount to much (35% healing power is already super low and Therians have the worst WIS of any of the races), but still, free passive healing. Hawk/Dog Whistle Requirements: None Body parts used: Head Summons a hawk/dog. The hawk/dog's stats (HP, STR, INT, VIT, WIS, AGI, LUC) are multiplied by a bonus provided by Hawk/Dog Whistle. Has standard priority when used in battle. Can also be used in the Labyrinth. The whistles are basically the starting point for every important Hound skill. Firstly, pick one summon to use, and stick with it. Secondly, how much you level up the Whistles depends a lot on what summon you're focusing on. Dogs can, generally, get away with bumping up the TP cost once it's less than half of the Hound's total TP pool, due to the fact that they can rely at least a little on passive healing. Hawks, however, rely on actively using skills, which means consuming TP. Hawk Arrow Requirements: Hawk Whistle level 3 Body parts used: Arms Requires a hawk to use. Deals ranged STR-based stab damage to one enemy, with splash damage. After the attack, the summoned hawk will attack the enemies hit with splash damage with a ranged STR-based cut attack. Has a 75% speed modifier and no base accuracy modifier at all levels. The hawk follow-up attack has 99 base accuracy. Fairly cheap, as far as hawk skills go, and the total splash damage hurts like hell. Not gonna do a lot in fights where there's only one target, obviously, but still. Flash of Both Wings Requirements: Hawk Whistle level 3 Body parts used: Arms Requires a hawk to use. Deals ranged STR-based stab damage to one enemy. After the attack, the summoned hawk will attack the target's row with ranged STR-based cut damage. Has a 200% speed modifier and no base accuracy modifier at all levels. The more generically-useful of the early hawk skills--you've already seen me put it to heavy use for the Golem fight. Aid Command Requirements: Dog Whistle level 3 Body parts used: Head Requires a dog to use. Commands the summoned dog to heal one ally. Also cures the targeted ally's ailments. Has an 85% speed modifier at all levels. A fairly basic healing skill, aside from the fact that it also cures ailments. Worth tossing points into, obviously. Hunter Shot Requirements: Dog Whistle level 3 Body parts used: Arms Requires a dog to use. Deals ranged STR-based stab damage to one enemy. After the attack, the summoned dog will attempt to bind the target's arms and legs. Has a 75% speed modifier and no base accuracy modifier at all levels. Hunter Shot's more useful early on, where most of the dangerous enemy skills use either the arms or the legs. It starts to fall off once you reach the later parts of the game, but not too hard. Brushing Requirements: None Restores the summoned dog and/or hawk's HP at the end of the turn. The summon row seems to have lower attack priority than the player character rows, so your hawk and dog won't be getting hit too often early on. Once all-party attacks start showing up, though, it can't hurt to toss a few points into Brushing. Target Arrow Requirements: None Body parts used: Arms Deals ranged STR-based stab damage to one enemy. Reduces the target's physical defense for a set amount of turns. The defense debuff also forces the summoned dog and/or hawk to attack the debuffed enemy. Has no speed modifier and +20 base accuracy at all levels. I've made my views on defense debuffs pretty clear by this point. One semi-notable thing about Target Arrow is that it does actually force the dog to do passive attacks--remember that the dog just passively heals the party member with the lowest HP if it doesn't have any other commands on that turn. Both Specializations Skill Sky/Ground Patrol Requirements: None When a hawk/dog is summoned, there is a chance they'll find food while walking around in the Labyrinth. What this entails specifically is unknown, as the skills themselves do not provide info. ...No thanks. Falcon-Accompanied Hound Skills Common Passives: Phys ATK Up, Speed Up Finishing Arrow Requirements: None When an enemy is below a certain HP threshold after the user damages them, the user will perform a normal attack on them. Eh. Basically adds 100% damage to all of your Hawk's attacks once a boss is below the threshold. You decide if that's worth it or not--I'm ambivalent on it, personally. Flying Talon Strike Requirements: Hawk Arrow level 3 Body parts used: Head Requires a hawk to use. Commands the summoned hawk to attack one enemy. The hawk will then attack the target with a ranged STR-based cut attack. Attempts to bind the target's head. Has no speed modifier at all levels. The hawk's attack has 120 base accuracy at all levels. Basically the hawk skill to spam. The TP cost is relatively low for how much damage it deals. Ice Peck Requirements: Flash of Both Wings level 3 Body parts used: Arms Requires a hawk to use. Deals ranged STR-based stab damage to all enemies. After the attack, the summoned hawk will follow up with ranged STR-based ice damage to all enemies. Initial hit has a 70% speed modifier and -10 base accuracy at all levels. Hawk's hit has 95 base accuracy at all levels. Too much TP for too little damage. There's better ways to deal with random encounters. Sky Dive Requirements: Flying Talon Strike level 5, Ice Peck level 5 Body parts used: Arms Requires a hawk to use. Commands the hawk to attack one enemy three turns later with ranged STR-based cut damage at the start of the turn. Attempts to bind the target's head. The hawk cannot perform other actions for the three turns\\. The initial command has no speed modifier at all levels. The final hit has 130 base accuracy at all levels. Sky Dive's not really something to just spam on its own, since it means your Hawk can't perform other actions for three turns. What it's good for, though, is if you have a party setup that can facilitate your Hound using Million Shot--we'll see that in a bit. Power Shot Requirements: Target Arrow level 5 Body parts used: Arms Deals ranged STR-based stab damage to one enemy, with line-piercing effect. Has a 90% speed modifier and no base accuracy modifier at all levels. Yawn. Million Shot Requirements: Power Shot level 5 Body parts used: Arms At the start of the next turn, deals multiple instances of ranged STR-based stab damage to random enemies. Can hit the same target 4 times at most. The maximum number of hits is 16 at all levels. The user cannot select another action on the turn where Million Shot activates. If the user is incapacitated or their arms become bound, Million Shot will not activate. Has -50 base accuracy at all levels. Well, if you want the Hound themself to contribute some damage, this is your best option. It's a weird mixture of Squall Volley from EO4 and Summer Rain from EO2U--it has the accuracy penalty and number of shots of Squall Volley, but the max hits per target limit of Summer Rain. So, yeah, you need leg binds to use it, and it's not "wow" levels of damage, but if you're using Sky Dive, you do need something for your Hound to do. Scatter Feathers Requirements: None Body parts used: Head Commands the summoned hawk to attempt to inflict blind on one row of enemies. Has a 120% speed modifier at all levels. Okay, sure, why not. Blind's not as good as other ailments, but the base inflict chance on Scatter Featuers isn't too bad. Dog-Leading Hound Skills Common Passives: TP Up, Curb ATK Up Healing Boost Requirements: None Increases both the static amount of HP restored and the percentage of maximum HP restored by the dog's healing skills. Not something to rush for, but definitely something to grab once you've got your actives at comfortable spots. Menacing Howl Requirements: None Body parts used: Head Requires a dog to use. Commands the summoned dog to attempt to inflict panic on all enemies. Has a 70% speed modifier at all levels. Ehhhhh. Panic's useful, but that base chance is really low. I know it's standard for panic skills, but still. Maybe it'd work okay with the Bungling Smoke resistance debuff. Defense Command Requirements: Aid Command level 3 Body parts used: Head Requires a dog to use. Commands the summoned dog to take all damage for one party member for one turn. For levels 1-9, the dog takes extra damage from any attacks received. At the end of the turn, the dog will heal the party member it was tanking for. A pretty decent alternative method of healing. It's obviously not something to spam, but it'll keep a party member from dying, and it's really unlikely that the dog will die from using Defense Command. Foot Pierce Requirements: Hunter Shot level 3 Body parts used: Arms Requires a dog to use. Deals ranged STR-based stab damage to one row of enemies. Attempts to inflict leg bind on hit targets. If any enemy hit by Foot Pierce has their legs bound (this can include if their legs were already bound before being hit), the summoned dog will follow up with a melee STR-based bash attack. Has no speed modifier and no base accuracy modifier at all levels. The best option for outputting damage with a dog-focused Hound. Leg binds are kinda useful, but it's very rare that they completely swing a fight like head and arm binds can. Medical Lick Requirements: Defense Command level 5, Foot Pierce level 5 Body parts used: Head Requires a dog to use. Commands the summoned dog to heal random allies a set number of times. Can only heal a party member twice at most. Has a 50% sped modifier at all levels. The only method of party healing for a dog-focused Hound, and it's...not very good. Even at level 10, at least one party member will miss out on one of the heal instances, and since you're probably using a party-target healing skill to recover from a bad all-party attack... Yeah. Drop Shot Requirements: Target Arrow level 5 Body parts used: Arms Deals ranged STR-based stab damage to one enemy. Damage is multiplied by 2.5x if hitting an enemy in the back row. Has no speed modifier and no base accuracy modifier at all levels. Um... Yeah, I got nothing. I didn't think much of Drop Shot in EO2U and I don't think much of it here. It's okay for random battles, I guess, and it's the only Dog-Leading Hound skill that doesn't interrupt the dog's normal healing AI. Stun Shot Requirements: Drop Shot level 5 Body parts used: Arms Requires a dog to use. Deals ranged STR-based stab damage to one enemy. After use, the summoned dog will attempt to stun the target. Has a 200% speed modifier and no base accuracy modifier at all levels. Stun isn't that useful and is hard to land, as a rule, but it deals okay semi-reliable damage, I guess?
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Update 8: Swammerdami on the Rocks 6F, E4 Take Point
Raven got a level up just two steps from the Take point. I don't want to level up any of Raven's actual skills right now, so I have him learn Organizational Skills. I can always use more inventory space! Tunnel-Visioned Predators ("scorpions" from here on out) will stand in one spot, and rotate the direction they're facing every three turns. They can only see in a straight line directly in front of them, but once they spot you they will pursue your party until you leave the room. (Obtained Straight into the vendor trash pile. "A breather After taking shelter behind a rock, you took on the wind in perfect condition." It's easy enough to infer that we should start moving once the scorpion's looking this way. Shredding Mole HP: 418 STR: 45 INT: 32 VIT: 36 WIS: 28 AGI: 35 LUC: 28 Skills:
Disable Resistances: Shredding Moles are annoying because they can effectively spend half of their turns invulnerable. At least they're weak to leg binds. These things can get really annoying if you keep failing to bind their legs. I promptly forgot that Alexis gained a level and forgot to spend the skill point. Oh well. This event changes based on a bunch of potential racial skills. I sent up Alexis who...knows none of the skills that affect the event. "Wheat and beast You felt all warm and fuzzy inside after giving wheat to a small animal." I bought Cecil a One-Inch Blade. Since his previous weapon was fully forged... How about we recycle it for 3 Bronze Ingot Scraps? I also forged his new One-Inch Blade once. A random encounter made me remember that Alexis had a skill point to spend. Sylphid counterattacks still deal 75% damage, but now have a 150% base chance to activate, and Alexis can now counterattack a maximum of 4 times per turn. Incantation: Compression Form now increases damage by 1.71x. This room's a bit of a pain in the rear end. It's really tall, and what you can't see is that there's another scorpion waaaaay down there, on the other side of that big rock. Right there. And then I got myself effectively boxed in trying to run from it. loving oops. This was extremely terrifying and I was 100% certain I was going to get a game over. Meaning I could avoid the top one without alerting the bottom one. That's the last major puzzle of the floor done. This event requires Sense Mana. This event requires an event from a later floor before you can proceed. One last random encounter gives Cecil a level up. One-Two's initial hit now deals 109% damage, and its follow-up chance is now 40%. god I really should've rested sapph before generating that guild card, that class name is real stupid (Obtained Bronze Ingot!) Nope, not an Adventure Episode. And that's the floor. Let's go back to town. I bought Alexis a Pallasch. I also fully forged Cecil's One-Inch Blade. The dialogue here changes very slightly based on whether or not you have a Brownie in your party (Mio, despite her portrait, is technically a Brownie). It doesn't actually check for if the person knows Knowledge of Medicinal Plants, though. Bar patrons. #1 is Hansuke again. #2: Purple-haired lady Fencer: Fencer: How do you do, Nameless? Are you familiar with those vicious giant giraffe monsters? I've only heard this secondhand, but apparently they can dash from one end of their territory to the other in a single breath, and will attack any explorer in their path. On the other hand, they've never been seen to attack anything not in their path. I'm sure with such long necks they can scarcely even see us below them. It's difficult to describe such a beast as anything but "overly large", but I do wonder what the view is like from up there. #3: Frowning Brownie: Brownie: Those drat Therians are terrible, always making a fool outta me. So I was running away from some fallin' rocks, right? And this Therian shows up and just picks me up in one arm and carries me to safety! And he has to nerve to tell me that it's lucky I'm so light! As he's carrying me under his arm like a frickin' teddy bear! Brownie: Bastards! Always lookin' down on me... If you sympathize at all, then lend me some of your height! We've got quite a few new quests. #1: Even more adventure preparations: #2: Dialog with a monster: Let's interrupt the quests just to talk to him now. The patron's name is "Loud drunk." Drunkard: Dammit! That bastard! I was so close! Drunkard: And who are you supposed to be?! I don't have time for this! Drunkard: What? You took the request? Oh, ooh! Great! Sorry about that. I need you to get rid this awful, awful wolf who's getting in the way of my-- I mean, who injured my manservant-- Or rather, my valuable subordinate. We let our guard down right after we captured it-- Drunkard: I mean, it came out of nowhere and attacked us! We were even trying to make sure it wasn't injured... drat beast'll never be tamed I guess. Grah, just thinking about it is getting my blood boiling! Whoops, I'm getting off-topic. Anyway, the loathsome beast should be on the 7th floor. #3: Genetta's feelings: This quest has my favorite ending of any quest in any EO game and I'm looking forward to sharing it. #4: Operation Mole: Note that this quest forces all 7F encounters to be various formations of Shredding Moles before you finish it. Well, let's go see what the hell's up with Genetta. I'll need to bring along a Therian to a certain spot on 6F to get some Animal Meat, we're fresh out right now. Next time: 7F. Rea fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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I'm a few days late to the squirrel topic, but if you think Atlus gave the squirrels a downgrade in EO5, just wait until the 8F secret area, which'll open up mid-4th Stratum. Hint: it involves in-battle fuckery.
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Update 9: The Labyrinth Before Time 7: The Great Neckbeast Migration This event pops up as soon as we enter the floor. It's part of Operation Mole. For us, this effectively means I won't have any battles to show for a while. Dashing Neckbeasts (hereafter giraffes) function much like Edgar said they do. They take a turn to wind up the charge, and then instantly dash in that direction until they hit a wall. After that, they change direction, and charge again. This first one's easy. Just wait until the giraffe has charged away from the top right corner. This next one is a little harder, but not by much. Starting to go for the way forward when the giraffe is in the bottom right corner works. (Obtained 3 Perfect, exactly what we needed for Genetta's feelings. "Rabbit hunting You discovered a herd of rabbits in the Labyrinth and successfully hunted them." (Obtained (Obtained (Obtained 5 I call bullshit on this one. quote:[11:23:15 PM] Ragnar Homsar: question Yet again, not an Adventure Episode. This looks more intimidating than it is. Remember that you've got two turns to move after a giraffe charges, since it has a one turn cooldown, and then has to take another turn to change direction. (Obtained Another thing for the vendor trash pile. Beast Bells increase the encounter rate for a short bit. Jana got a level from that annoyance. Alexis had a skill point from somewhere. He puts a point into Labyrinth Searching Skills. Mist Slice now deals 235% damage. (Obtained 2 I got some Labyrinth Wheats for Genetta's feelings. It is time to show the ending. (Telop: Friedrich.) Friedrich: ...Meow. Friedrich: Meow. The ending to Genetta's feelings is both simultaneously really stupid and perfectly in-character for Genetta. I love it. (Obtained 4 That's a pretty good reward for how much work we had to do. I don't want to bump One-Two up to level 5 yet, so I instead level up the basic bind punches. Arm Break deals 177% damage now. Incantation: Compression Form now increases damage by 1.74x. Smoke Rot now costs 8 TP and lasts for 5 turns. A scrap with some moles gives Alexis a level up. He invests the point in Organizational Skills. More backpack space for us. Fighting enough mole battles results in this. This thing is just a Shredding Mole with higher stats and HP. Yawn. We can either just tell her our guild name, or tell her that we won't reveal it for free. I opt for the former. (Obtained (Obtained Syrupy Resin is a 2nd Stratum Chop material. Pop Pudding HP: 314 STR: 38 INT: 34 VIT: 44 WIS: 27 AGI: 20 LUC: 27 Skills:
Disable Resistances: Pop Puddings are basically Pouncing Caracals but, uh, they resist physical damage I guess. (Received 2 Triangular Kitten Ears and 1 Pudding Core.) (Received 1 Syrupy Resin naturally, and 1 Syrupy Resin plus 1 Twisting Root from Cecil.) 7F, C5 Chop Point
We get a I put the Luck Necklace on Alexis. See my previous note about leveling up Arm Break, but with Liver Blow this time. Mist Slice now deals 250% damage. Incantation: Compression Form now increases damage by 1.98x, but also costs 10 TP. Smoke Rot reduces magic defense by 9% without a Smoke debuff, and 38% with. Equipment! I fully forged Alexis' Pallasch. Alexis also had a skill point. I put it into Athletic Training, to boost his AGI and LUC--the two stats used for dodging in previous EO games and probably EO5. Lightning Squirrel HP: 302 STR: 28 INT: 41 VIT: 31 WIS: 32 AGI: 37 LUC: 31 Skills:
Disable Resistances: Lightning Squirrels do pretty much the same thing Ice Bats did in the 1st Stratum: kill someone very quickly with INT-based damage. (Received 1 Triangular Kitten Ear, 1 Rat's Tailspine, and 1 Bent Volt-Horn.) The giraffe puzzle gets a bit more intricate here: we have a 3x3 area that opens into a 5x3 area. Although honestly this just makes it really easy to dodge the giraffes. I literally just walked in a straight line from the door to here. We have two choices here: we can either heal the wolf, or leave it to die. Choosing to heal it based on if you have either a Hound or an Herbalist in your party. We happen to have the latter right now. Giant rocks are exactly what they look like. Shove them down, and they make two tiles in front of it, from where you pushed it, impassable. Fun fact: that icon on the map is a recolored ice block icon from EO2U. (Obtained Shoving this rock that way unfortunately blocked off the chest there. I'll have to come back another time. "Flowers and corpse You encountered a terrifying plant in the Labyrinth, but overcame the danger and obtained a treasure map from a corpse." In the interest of not having massive updates that require splitting into multiple parts at once, I'm gonna call it an update here. Next time: the end of 7F, and the start of 8F. Rea fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Dec 16, 2016 |
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Update 10: Something Important Happens There's an event I needed Animal Husbandry for here, so I brought Dosen along. This is the first in a sequence of events, and we'll see the next part on 7F. Insert Insulting Name: Bwuh! You guys?! So how'd it go? Did you get that mangy cur?! Insert Insulting Name: What?! D-D-Did I hear that right? Y-You ignored the request and helped it?! Insert Insulting Name: That thing ruined my plans! If it'd just stayed in that cage, I could've sold it off for who knows how much! Insert Insulting Name: That's...that's... Unforgivable! I'll make you bastards regret getting in my way! I'll remember this! Alexis learns Glutton because why not. Flicker's now level 4. Kaelin learns Self Study. And Magda learns Glutton too. This event can change based on whether the scorpion's target knows Labyrinth Search Skills--they automatically sit still. Otherwise, if no-one knows the skill, you can still have the character sit still, but the game doesn't tell you that it's the right option beforehand. "Venomous scorpion You were surprised by a venomous scorpion, but managed to stay calm and let it pass by." (Obtained Another Yggdrasil Key door. (Received 1 Syrupy Resin naturally, 1 Strong and Thin Branch from Alexis, and 2 Strong and Thin Branches from Cecil.) 7F, F3 Chop Point
And that's the floor. We're not going back to town. There's something important we need to see first. NOW we go back to town. Some final bits of junk for this update. I bought a Pilgrim's Staff for Kaelin and forged it a bit. Patrons. #1 is Hansuke again. #2: Purple-haired lady Fencer: Fencer: Oh, Nameless! I've heard tales of long-nosed monkeys! I hear they're liable to push over pillars in order to keep people out of their territory, and will otherwise chase you. And if you're really careless, you might even have a pillar land directly on top of you. Oh dear, that sounds rather painful. #3: Frowning Brownie: Brownie: Those drat Lunarians are terrible, always making a fool outta me. So there I was, tryin' to take a nap, when this Lunarian shows up and just hugs me outta nowhere! And then she tells me I'm just the right size, and honest to gods goes to freakin' sleep right then and there! Brownie: Always lookin' down on me... If you sympathize at all, then lend me some of your height! Quests, yep. #1: Fight poison with poison: (Obtained This quest is fairly easy--I've already shown that I'm very capable of getting behind scorpions, when I'm not bumbling around and accidentally making a good path. #2: Making the ultimate dress: Let's go talk to Thaddeus right now, shall we? Thaddeus: Oh, hello, everyone. My apologies for not keeping you posted beforehand. I really do appreciate what you did for me earlier, but... well, I don't know what you've heard from the proprietor, but I find myself needing even more for the wedding, and the materials in question this time are even more difficult to obtain. As a result, I find myself in a bit of a bind, but if you've taken the request, then I feel I can rest easy. You're lifesavers. Oh, I should tell you; this time, it's some Silk Thread. It's for a wedding dress, you see. Apparently it can be obtained from the nests of the giant caterpillar monsters on the 2nd Floor. Thaddeus: A local monster hunter informed me that they could be found... Thaddeus: Somewhere in the region I just marked on your map. I'm sorry to bother you, but I'd really be in your debt. Lastly, #3: The battle that surpasses twilight: Remus starts talking as soon as we walk in. "Rumbling earth A large mammoth has been seen in the 2nd Stratum, the Oliphant. We want you to find a route through the Labyrinth that avoids having to fight it. For that purpose, you'll need to investigate its territory." Lastly, Remus's normal dialogue. Meet our newest and last guild member, Iseria (created by alcharagia). Despite what the screenshot says (I initially created her as a Hound to make her Therian), she will be acting as our Chain Fencer, since the Chain and dodgetank Fencer skillsets are pretty mutually exclusive as far as building one character goes, but can actually combo together very well in battle. And to close out the update, here's Iseria's full bio: quote:The third of seven noble sisters, Iseria is royalty of a small, matriarchal island nation whose primary export is politically arranged marriages to princesses. Rea fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Dec 19, 2016 |
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 Here's a full-res render of Oliphant, for fun.
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Update 11: Trumpeting Intensifies We're initially thrown into a fight with just one Crawler. However, within four turns... We're fighting four of the things at once. There's actually not that much to say about the fight itself, but I feel like comparing different damage outputs: Gram with level 9 Target Arrow (175% damage). Iseria with level 9 Chain Shock (200% damage per hit). And Lanzon with level 4 Fire Bomb (141% INT damage). Basically, Iseria's individual Chain hits hit for about the same as everyone else (slightly above, really), but she also had the advantage of being able to hit multiple times per turn if she has other setup. Her only setup for Chain Shock right now is Gram (since everything Gram herself can do is stab damage), but loading up on some Shock Jars or other party members capable of dealing volt damage helps. Even at level 20, four Crawlers could be a little bit of a threat, especially if you're relying on a dodgetank. Incidentally, if you finish the battle before all four Crawlers join in, the rest will flee. (Obtained Let's take this back to Thaddeus, shall we? Thaddeus: Ah... Could it be you've gotten the Silk Thread already?! Thaddeus: Oh, thank you so much, now I can finally make the dress, Mia will absolutely love it-- Thaddeus: ...E-excuse me, I got a bit carried away. Aha, erm, Mia is my fiance's name. I've always been considered "scrawny," even for a Lunarian, but she's not bothered by it at all. Oh, she is such a kind woman... Thaddeus: ...E-excuse me again, I'm sure you're not interested in your clients' private lives. This should be a time of celebration! Aha, ahaha, ha. Aha. In any case, now that I have the materials, I think I'll be heading for the craftsmans district to find a tailor to draw up a design for the dress. My thanks again. I left your reward with the proprietor, so you'll need to talk to her for it. If you'll please excuse me... (Obtained 3 (Obtained 3 I had Sasha learn Labyrinth Search Skills just for some extra coverage for that skill. Poison Bomb now has 285 base poison damage. I had Gram learn Hawk Arrow since she'll need it for the hawk specialization in the future. Poison Smoke now has 145 base poison damage, and multiplies poison infliction chances by 1.31x. Easy enough. While we're here, might as well look at this event too. This is a Feats of Strength check--the event stops if you don't have it. If you had to resume the event from the previous Feats of Strength check without someone that knows Detect Magic, you'd get into a fight with some Alarm Cicadas after the last bit. (Obtained 2 (Obtained "Digging up treasure You found a treasure box and, after dealing with the trap, successfully obtained the treasure." (Obtained Corsicas (+9 DEF, +21 MDEF) are made from 1 Blackened Claw (Giant Spotted Dog rare) normally. I have Iseria level up Chain Fire to 3, since that can get another activation off Fire Bomb. Lanzon learns Gourmet because he chews through TP real quickly, and doubling the amount restored by food'll help with that. Holy poo poo Ceric why are you so loving generous.
I buy 36 Amritas, which fills up our pack to capacity. After this, Ceric notes that our bag is full, and leaves. THIS IS A ONE-TIME EVENT! If you want to stock the gently caress up on Nectars and Amritas at a ludicrously cheap discount, this is your only chance to do it! I actually have to drop off half of the Amritas at the inn, since our pack literally has no space otherwise. All we have to do is fight enough battles to have killed 15 monsters and we'll get the maximum reward. I set an autowalk path in that small area to our right and let it run until I get into a battle. Cliff Goat HP: 278 STR: 43 INT: 37 VIT: 29 WIS: 32 AGI: 39 LUC: 39 Skills:
Disable Resistances: Cliff Goats are our first exposure to panic, the second most dangerous ailment in the game (formerly the first until petrification got reworked). One Cliff Goat isn't a big deal, but multiple can be dangerous, since one panicked party member in a random encounter is workable, while two or more is dangerous. (Received 2 Triangular Kitten Ears, 1 Chipped Goat Horn.) Unfortunately, nothing of interest happened in that one particular fight. Rockfish HP: 525 STR: 52 INT: 41 VIT: 41 WIS: 33 AGI: 25 LUC: 45 Skills:
Disable Resistances: Rockfishes serve only to annoy you with arm binds and then hit decently hard with normal attacks. Remember that arm binds are more dangerous for your party than in last games, since a decent chunk of support skills (namely Herbalist healing skills) use the arms now. (Received 1 Brown Feather and 1 Skyfish Tailfin.) And then the turkey died from Poison Smoke. At 10 enemies defeated, we get this message. At 15, we get one final event. (Obtained 2 Bronze Ingots!) We get a larger EXP reward and an extra Bronze Ingot for getting to 15 monsters killed. Forfeiting or killing less than 10 monsters lowers the EXP reward. I have Sasha learn Self Study to boost her WIS, since low magic defense is a pretty big flaw with Earthrun characters. Hawk Arrow now deals 103% damage on the primary hit, and 369% on the hawk splash hits. Poison Smoke now has 190 base poison damage, and increases poison infliction chances by 1.34x. New floor means new junk. And some forging. I had to use Bronze Ingots for Lanzon's Megalith 5006, since we, obviously, don't have more of Golem's normal drop in stock. The Oliphant room is loving gigantic, so I map it out first. Note that random encounters are disabled in it. There's also extra corner rooms. (Obtained 4 Milks!) You can bypass the damage if someone in the party knows Animal Husbandry. "Wild cattle You found a herd of wild cattle and, despite some injuries, successfully got milk from them." Another point into Chain Fire. (Obtained 5 "Wildfowl hunting You discovered some wildfowl and made use of your hunting skills to obtain some meat." Lanzon learns Self Study to boost his INT. Anyway, yes, Oliphant. Anyone that's played EO3 or EO4 might recognize that music--yep, it's The End of the Raging Waves again. It's used for every single postgame boss; contrast with previous games, which either entirely used Scatter About (EO2, EO3 excluding SQ bosses, EOU) or a mixture that involved Scatter About (EO1, EO4, EO2U). Basically my point is that Scatter About is gone, and thank gently caress for that. Oh, right, Oliphant. I'm sure this thing could be taken down with some smart planning, right? Oliphant HP: 35753 STR: 130 INT: 103 VIT: 121 WIS: 112 AGI: 99 LUC: 112 Skills:
NOPE. TIME TO RUN THE gently caress AWAY. (Drops excluded because they're irrelevant.) (King Press.) Some fancy footwork later, and the rock has forced Oliphant to turn a bunch. Far less time-consuming than Salamander or Wyvern. ...I guess Remus wants to talk about cooking first. (Obtained (Obtained (Obtained 3500 en.) Bunker doesn't really work all that well when I have both Gram and Lanzon in the party, but I might as well level it up in the absence of anything else to do. Level 4 makes the Bunker have 95 DEF. Hawk Arrow's first hit now deals 106% damage, while the hawk splash does 357% damage. Poison Smoke now has 235 base poison damage, and multiplies poison infliction chances by 1.37x. That'll do for now. Next time: 8F proper. Rea fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Dec 23, 2016 |
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