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Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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The second and third panels there are among the greatest examples of the old saw that "a picture tells a thousand words". No dialogue could improve on them.

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Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

I feel like we're within only a few years of Dennis vs Dennis.

Also apparently part of the inspiration for Bart Simpson was now lame the US Dennis the Menace actually was, and making a kid that was a real menace.

Specifically the (I think the 1950s) TV version, which was pretty sanitized. Comic Dennis, particularly in the early days of the strip, could give Bart a run for his money at times.



There's one strip I've never seen online, only in one of the old collections, that features Henry getting a rifle out of the closet, and Dennis nonchalantly asking "If it's a burglar, can I have his flashlight?".

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Son of Thunderbeast posted:

The lack of reflection is because once upon a time, mirrors were made of silver. Modern mirrors (incl. telescope mirrors) are coated with aluminum and would reflect a vampire just fine.
:goonsay:

Various supernatural beings, including various versions of the vampire, not reflecting in folklore predates silver-backed mirrors by a long time. Not only are there such creatures in the folklore of places that used bronze mirrors, it shows up in the traditions of some cultures that didn't have metalworking at all.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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I've seen quite a few native stories were a monster is revealed because they did not reflect (or reflected differently) in the stream that both they and the protagonist were crossing over. The "silver reveals" thing is a modern retroexplanation.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Phlegmish posted:

I said it on the last page too, but honestly Dilbert isn't bad at all for a newspaper comic.

It's mostly when it comes to gender relations in those strips that you get a bit of an MRA/incel vibe in hindsight. At the time I just chalked it up to typical nerd self-deprecation, I could believe that that scrawny dude had been rejected a lot.

There was blatantly sexist poo poo in there from the very beginning.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Der Kyhe posted:

Have you ever been in a male-dominated industry, such as anything in engineering? Even today its barely 25% women industry, most expertise areas running in even lower numbers, even one digits.

In that area/industry it used to present things in relatively appropriate light; Dilbert and his colleagues were losers who could not actually function with women. And the only women in group were always shortchanged because that's why. While she was by far the most competent engineer in the entire department.

There is a reason why it was universally liked in engineering circles around 90's and early 2000's.

It worked until the author went all MRA and "much rights" liberal and made all the "women engineers" less than capable.

I'm referring to characters like "The Man-Hating Feminist", who was a recurring character early on in the strip.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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This man is a national treasure.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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That much black would be real bad for readability in newspaper printings.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Fagtastic posted:

Is it just me or does onstad draw himself pretty frikkin swole. I never noticed before and also have no idea what he really looks like.

I think it is more that he either doesn't know how to draw humans, or is deliberately giving the rare appearance a stylized look to contrast with the animal cast.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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e-dt posted:


somewhere a woman is looking for a man like this

ALIEN rear end, eClub Newsletter, Photos of singles in your area, MORTGAGE ETC

so uh do you use dreamweaver to do what a baby piglet could do

These early strips are a bit odd because I can never remember when Philippe became 5.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Douche Wolf 89 posted:

Such a good combo of Achewoodd

The Phillipe and apthe Flower storyline is one I really dislike, and ends in the single worst strip in the comic.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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e-dt posted:


so what if prince charles was bad at cricket when he was 6

Best thing about this strip is that every one that comes after is better. This is (by a huge) margin, the absolute worst strip in the comic.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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RJWaters2 posted:

Achewood's been funny before but Big Car got the first laugh from me. It's so big but never acknowledged

The car is car sized. It just looks big because the characters are housecats.



I like this strip because Beef rarely gets to be this happy and excited about something.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:

why would you put a breath mint in your beer

To show that you're trash. Like Showbiz.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Is Sinfest the comic that was obsessed with Transformers toys?

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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e-dt posted:


stop emailing me

This one was always hard to parse at the end. I'm not sure if you're supposed to read Ray in the last panel as being depressed that Beef left or drunkenly (and possibly stonedly) content watching a kid's cartoon because that's the kind of Chill he has.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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https://www.achewood.com/index.php?date=04292002

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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The second panel is really nice here, because she looks so excited at the chance to bond over memories of favorite toys. Granted that it takes a really depressing turn immediately, but the positivity there is fun.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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e-dt posted:



Forsooth, like poor Icarus did my foolhardiness conspire to conjoin my fortune with an untidy demise.

drat. NFT jokes 15 years before the pestilential things were invented.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Mycroft Holmes posted:

I seem to remember a comic that was a mans reminiscences about growing up during the 50s. I'll forever remember one about has uncle who lost hands in korea who burned down his trailer smoking cigarettes' he would light with his feet.

You drat Kid! on Keenspot.


Much of it has not aged well.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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CJacobs posted:

Based on the author's love for detail I wouldn't be surprised if you don't have to guess, those tailing notes probably somehow are taken from real sheet music. All we need is a scale!

Given the time setting, and that the recordings are discs (introduced in 1892), it's presumably something from the mid 1890s if she had actual music in mind. Something off of this list.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Antitonic posted:

I sometimes get the feeling to post El Goonish Shive on here, because it is a comic I enjoy, but there’s already a few longform comics being posted already, and the start is pretty rough. I’d also have to guess at the ideal pacing and all.

There's several approaches to pacing you could take, but the most important thing would be to make sure to include the commentary. The things Dan hosed up early on are a lot less glaring when paired with the "wow, this was bad, wasn't it?" author comments.

He did manage to do a lot to recontextualize them in surprisingly decent ways, but the early strips are kind of harsh.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Hempuli posted:

I drew & painted some comics! They're largely pretty nonsensical, but I was glad to finally do some watercolours after a break of ~3 years, IIRC.
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Art's solid enough, but I think you need more panels to let things breathe a little more.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Somehow I always remember this going for more panels, with ever more outlandish "and I am at the bead shop" statements.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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The Night Witches (named by the Germans - the pilots flew wooden biplanes and would cut their engines before a strafing run - the only warning was a faint wooden creaking that the Germans likened to a broomstick) were the 588th Night Bomber Regiment.

The unit in the comic is the 586th Fighter Regiment, which shot down 19 aircraft during the war, fighting in some of the most critical battles. This is better than it sounds - they were primarily an air defense and escort unit, where driving off an attacker was more important than destroying them. They were highly successful in this role.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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thetoughestbean posted:

drat, exposed as a history ignoramus.

The pilots are still cool though

It was more that the Night Witches got all the fame, but there were three all-female aviation regiments (the third, the Bomber Aviation Regiment, was redesignated the 125th Borisov Guards Bomber Aviation Regiment named after Marina Raskova, flying then-modern Po-2 bombers) in the GPW, and it is good to acknowledge them as well.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Zulily Zoetrope posted:

The first two are a lot easier to write off as products of their time, especially since Philippe is such a lovable character and there is no spite in his portrayal whatsoever, and that what's-her-face's lines were allegedly written by Onstadt's Chinese wife.

Even more important, Philippe's characterization was changed to "He's five!" extremely early. The gross idea didn't last long.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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CrocodileKingSaysNO posted:

The funniest part to me is Beef just a crack shot with that pistol

Which is fairly strange considering that Roast Beef is terrified of guns.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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With a comment the first time that he'd been shot by Ray again. I didn't say it was an irrational fear.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Close.

1st degree is a scorch tonthe outer layer of skin.
2nd degree penetrates the outer layer and scorches the inner layer.
3rd degree penetrates both layers and scorches the tissue underlaying the skin.
4th degree penetrates all these layers into muscle or possibly bone.

A key marker of a 4th degree burn is that it doesn't hurt, because there are no longer any nerves there to transmit pain. 4th degree burns all over your body is, as Roast Beef says, a situation where you can reasonably be considered unlucky to survive.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Valiantman posted:

Someone said that Achewood is originally Finnish?

You must be mixing something up. Chris Onstad is from California and now lives in Oregon.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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e-dt posted:

THE BADASS GAMES COMMENCE


Panel 6 here has a pretty solid callback later (June 17, 2008) that I usually miss.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Not sure if it is intended, but there's a couple places where the same page is posted twice in a row here.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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skeleton warrior posted:

Yep! That's exactly what this was. Most of their stuff was "peace, love, true hippies love Christ And His Message" but this one was straight out "only by a Christian path shall a society survive" which makes it super weird.

Hansi is an adaptation of an autobiography of the same name, which was quite a lot longer. Even if it wasn't significantly, the memoirs of someone who abandoned Christianity for Hitler and eventually found her way back are going to be kind of strange.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Tenebrais posted:

Sleepless Domain




This is a particularly gross metaphor in this context. Twice over, given the "melty" team dynamic we see!

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Tenebrais posted:

Sleepless Domain




The artist did a real good job with the way her hair's fading in the big panel here. It really does look like the color's leaching out.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Synthbuttrange posted:

oops, yes sometimes you are reminded that prince valiant is from over half a century old.

Check that date again - 1937 is 86 years ago, closer to a full century than a half.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Kit Walker posted:

I feel that Prince Valiant, much like Achewood, is offputting to a lot of people at first glance, but if you stick with it for a bit it's really charming

The big thing is that in newspapers, it was a Sunday Only strip. Even in the early very strong era, getting one page a week (IF you got the paper every day) slowed the pace considerably.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Gravitas Shortfall posted:

I feel like I used to know what symbol her tattoo is but it's been scrubbed from my brain

It is similar to, but not the same as, what is usually called an Odal Rune in English.

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Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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The word "limelight" originally meant pre-electric theatre spotlights. These lights operated by heating a cylinder of quicklime to incredibly hot temperatures, which produced an enormous amount of light compared to most other forms of lighting then available.

It has since become slang for being the center of attention, by analogy to how the person focused in the limelights was the current center of the stage performance.

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