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Lurdiak posted:You're dissing one of the most reposted funny panels in recent comic book history and calling a 48 year old comic book legend "from tumblr". You couldn't be embarrassing yourself more if you were talking poo poo on Kubrick and Carpenter. It's a poo poo panel. Sorry for your terrible taste. Popular != Great
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What's tumbleresque writing, anyway?
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Nov 19, 2016 18:19
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I associate some of it with random zanyness. Maybe not all of it but the suicide girls poo poo and being hyped over $100 from an apparent super god is a little too wacky for the sake of wacky. It's dumb.
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Nov 19, 2016 18:25
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Have you read the rest of Nextwave? In the end all humor's subjective but in context it's not wacky for the sake of wacky -- it very much fits the tone of the whole piece. By extension I guess you can then accuse the whole thing of being too wacky but that's kind of what it's going for so stuff like that page fits right in. E: To me this is like saying a Leslie Nielsen movie is bad because puns aren't funny. NmareBfly fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Nov 19, 2016 |
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Nov 19, 2016 19:47
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Nextwave is good. Speaking of comics, the current run of Doctor Strange (ongoing, started in 2015) is good too. edit to prove my point:  (and a short while later) 
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Nov 19, 2016 20:03
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Vintersorg posted:It's a poo poo panel. Sorry for your terrible taste. You're an idiot.
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Nov 20, 2016 02:31
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Lurdiak posted:You're an idiot. The person above shed some light on what's up and I appreciated it. You should try being like that instead.
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Nov 20, 2016 02:47
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I didn't realize "stop hiring your writers from tumblr" and "sorry about your poo poo taste" were invitations to a dialogue.
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Nov 20, 2016 03:17
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Lurdiak posted:I didn't realize "stop hiring your writers from tumblr" and "sorry about your poo poo taste" were invitations to a dialogue. Getting yous social skills from tumblr will do that I guess.
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Nov 20, 2016 14:50
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Mulva posted:It's cool, they are called Mindless Ones, no real suffering there! I can't wait for them to show up again as mindless ones 
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Nov 20, 2016 15:17
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tin can made man posted:I mean it definitely was funny in 2006, but in my experience literally nothing from that Dark Year has stood the test of time I just checked, and Nextwave is still good.
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Nov 20, 2016 22:34
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I'm pretty critical of comics (and warren ellis) and thought nextwave was pretty fun. It is kind of out-there, but almost everything in it is preceded by, or drawn from, something that already exists in Marvel comics. The self-satirising tone definitely was a breath of fresh air at the time - Civil War was happening and everything was just too serious to believe. I'd guarantee that James Gunn read Nextwave before or during making Guardians.
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I was hoping the success of Deadpool would make a Nextwave movie a possibility, and my only wish for it is that William Mapother plays Aaron
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Nov 21, 2016 14:12
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I don't think Strange cared about human life as much as he pretended he did. Remember that a running theme of the Ancient one is that she calls out his bullshit constantly, she sees right through him. And when he tried to hide behind his oath she outright says he doesn't care about the people he saves, he just has a god complex and likes deciding over life or death. He didnt want the job because it cramped his style, not because he cares about the sanctity of life, because as noted, he just sacrificed 3 souls to satan with a grin
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Nov 21, 2016 21:12
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The Sling Ring portals looked so similar to something I had seen before and I couldn't place it until now:
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:I can't wait for them to show up again as mindless ones The livestrong bracelet really makes it for me.
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Nov 22, 2016 17:50
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McCloud posted:I don't think Strange cared about human life as much as he pretended he did. Remember that a running theme of the Ancient one is that she calls out his bullshit constantly, she sees right through him. And when he tried to hide behind his oath she outright says he doesn't care about the people he saves, he just has a god complex and likes deciding over life or death. He didnt want the job because it cramped his style, not because he cares about the sanctity of life, because as noted, he just sacrificed 3 souls to satan with a grin I can't think of a good way to put this, but it fees like this movie actually takes the character flaws of its main character seriously in a way that most (all?) other Marvel movies don't. They were less afraid to make the hero genuinely unlikable at times, and it makes the ending work better as a result.
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sean10mm posted:I can't think of a good way to put this, but it fees like this movie actually takes the character flaws of its main character seriously in a way that most (all?) other Marvel movies don't. They were less afraid to make the hero genuinely unlikable at times, and it makes the ending work better as a result. I think that plays in to the Ancient One's lesson of having to let the darkness in a little, or else it will consume you. Contrast that with Mordon, whose rigid zealotry is likely taking him down the road to villainy, and its probably better off to be kind of a dick.
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Filthy Casual posted:I think that plays in to the Ancient One's lesson of having to let the darkness in a little, or else it will consume you. Contrast that with Mordo, whose rigid zealotry is likely taking him down the road to villainy, and its probably better off to be kind of a dick. That's an interesting point. It's a very liberal-democrat argument, that extremes are dangerous and radical positions are bad ideas. Kaecilius is a revolutionary and Mordo is a fundamentalist...and they're both destined for failure, because the "correct" worldview is Strange's comfort zone of multicultural liberal capitalism. [/SMG]
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...I kind of saw that too. This election's been a hell of a drug. EDIT: The Ancient One is Hillary Clinton. If only we knew how prescient making her a somewhat older white lady was... Nobby fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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Nov 23, 2016 06:00
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Everyone in real life compromises something at some point, or they really are a dangerous fanatic. The question is, where do you draw that line? The Ancient One probably did compromise too much. That's not even subtext, it's just text. Drawing power from the dark dimension both undermined her moral standing with her subordinates, and possibly attracted the attention of a pan-dimensional tyrant thing in the first place. She is compromise taken too far, to the point where it undermines what you were being "pragmatic" in order to accomplish in the first place. Dr Strange is different in that he compromised the vague sorcery laws at the end for something that didn't benefit himself at all. The Ancient One got vastly extended life by cheating the rules, which she clearly liked; Kaecilius was chasing eternal life for himself by throwing the rules out entirely. Dr Strange bent the rules to set up a scenario that benefited everyone in existence BUT himself, while he might well have been tortured forever for all he knew. It was also in the face of a truly imminent crisis instead of, "Whelp, I guess I should live for eons without aging because there is bad poo poo out there!" like the Ancient One did. Even if Strange was ultimately wrong, it was much more forgivable a mistake to make, and didn't even indirectly smack of hypocritical self-interest. . Being a true fanatic, such distinctions are lost on Mordo. sean10mm fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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Nov 23, 2016 16:45
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Mordo is kind of realistic in that way - the #2 guy is almost always a bigger believer than the leader of a group.
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sean10mm posted:Everyone in real life compromises something at some point, or they really are a dangerous fanatic. The question is, where do you draw that line? I guess I'd draw the line right about there. Its definitely a significant difference to gain semi-immortality vs. imprisoning extra-dimensional entity in a time loop where said entity kills you over and over. At least Wong made it out alive, he was a treat. I loved that single tear that ran down when Strange called him Beyonce.
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well why not posted:Mordo is kind of realistic in that way - the #2 guy is almost always a bigger believer than the leader of a group. It's the zeal if the converted. Mordo alludes to having a very bad past that the Ancient One saved him from, but Mordo probably just changed what he was a fanatic about, and remained otherwise the same all along.
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Nov 23, 2016 17:28
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It's a movie that thinks you can appreciate characters with faults that aren't entirely pro forma or treated as punchlines, and Mordo turns into a villain because he can't do that.
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Nov 23, 2016 17:42
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sean10mm posted:Everyone in real life compromises something at some point, or they really are a dangerous fanatic. The question is, where do you draw that line? The Ancient One did not in fact draw the attention of any large otherworld evil, that was Kaecilias. What she did was, through her actions, tempt Kaecilias into trying that poo poo out for himself, Which was the thing that attracted that otherworld evil being. Now, what she did was risky, but you can't blame her for what happened, except tangentially. Kaecilias would surely have found some other way to gain power and do weird poo poo. sean10mm posted:It's a movie that thinks you can appreciate characters with faults that aren't entirely pro forma or treated as punchlines, and Mordo turns into a villain because he can't do that.
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Drifter posted:It's like Iron Man. Sure, he sold weapons of destruction, but then he went and fought against people who were using them badly. So it's okay. This... doesn't fit what Strange does in the movie at all, though?
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Nov 23, 2016 18:18
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In the comics, Dr. Strange calls on demons all the time. The protector of earth can't afford to not be open to negotiations. The problem comes when one goes too far into the dark arts. By the end of the film, Strange understands this. The ancient one's sin wasn't dealing with Dormammu, it was keeping it a secret.
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Drifter posted:The Ancient One did not in fact draw the attention of any large otherworld evil, that was Kaecilias. What she did was, through her actions, tempt Kaecilias into trying that poo poo out for himself, Which was the thing that attracted that otherworld evil being. Now, what she did was risky, but you can't blame her for what happened, except tangentially. Kaecilias would surely have found some other way to gain power and do weird poo poo. On the other hand this also kind of reads like now we gotta deal with folks like Kaecilius because we tried to stop folks like Kaecilius.
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Neo Rasa posted:On the other hand this also kind of reads like now we gotta deal with folks like Kaecilius because we tried to stop folks like Kaecilius. Uh oh, that sounds like an infinite loop.
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Drifter posted:It's like Iron Man. Sure, he sold weapons of destruction, but then he went and fought against people who were using them badly. So it's okay. That is the story of iron man. Pre-movies he made ultimate weapons to make a world a better place but militaries took them and used them and innocent people got hurt. First movie decided the solution was he would be the one to use the ultimate weapons but people still got hurt. Then he decides that algorithms and empty suits should control the weapon and people get hurt. Then he decides he just needs to give a perfect computer the weapon and people get hurt. Then he starts a civil war and declares the UN should control the ultimate weapon collectively and people get hurt. The whole plot of iron movie across every movie is him wanting to use his weapons but not wanting people to be harmed by them and then him giving the responsibility to some new thing and it once again turning out that you can not invent a gun that can only shoot bad people.
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Filthy Casual posted:Uh oh, that sounds like an infinite loop. Clearly The Ancient One was a lovely bargainer otherwise she wouldn't have been the one to take the fall.
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Neo Rasa posted:On the other hand this also kind of reads like now we gotta deal with folks like Kaecilius because we tried to stop folks like Kaecilius.
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nelson posted:An unending series of obstacles is necessary for the longevity of a super hero. I dunno, Metro Man discovered a way to end his cycle...too bad about his music career though 
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McCloud posted:I don't think Strange cared about human life as much as he pretended he did. Remember that a running theme of the Ancient one is that she calls out his bullshit constantly, she sees right through him. And when he tried to hide behind his oath she outright says he doesn't care about the people he saves, he just has a god complex and likes deciding over life or death. He didnt want the job because it cramped his style, not because he cares about the sanctity of life, because as noted, he just sacrificed 3 souls to satan with a grin It's more like letting people kill themselves knowing that they are mistakenly believing that paradise awaits them when in reality they are getting hell. These movies are getting weird in the constant spikes of comedy and absolute mind boggling horror, not that I object to this style. My main non-serious objection to this movie is that Kaecilius was played by one of my favorite actors yet they couldn't think of something cooler than Brittney Spears backup dancer style mascara to give him.
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Old Doggy Bastard posted:My main non-serious objection to this movie is that Kaecilius was played by one of my favorite actors yet they couldn't think of something cooler than Brittney Spears backup dancer style mascara to give him. “It doesn’t make sense,” says Cumberbatch, in a red cape and ugly goatee. “Not everything does,” replies The Ancient One. “Not everything has to.”
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Old Doggy Bastard posted:It's more like letting people kill themselves knowing that they are mistakenly believing that paradise awaits them when in reality they are getting hell. These movies are getting weird in the constant spikes of comedy and absolute mind boggling horror, not that I object to this style.
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Old Doggy Bastard posted:My main non-serious objection to this movie is that Kaecilius was played by one of my favorite actors yet they couldn't think of something cooler than Brittney Spears backup dancer style mascara to give him. I didn't like the look of Kaecilius's eyes at first either but I think it's one of those sfx that looks cooler the closer the camera is to his face to appreciate the detail in it.
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Between Strange and Death Stranded people are just going to have to get used to the fact that Mads Mikkelsen looks better in heavy eyeliner.
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Casino Royale messed with his eyes too.
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