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bamhand
Apr 15, 2010


Took me like 10 minutes to wrap my head around that idea. So these cards can both be warped (if you have valkyrie) and they trigger an effect when you warp them? And the valkyrie warp ability applies for both when the card itself is warped and future cards that you valkyre warp into play if initial card is still in play?

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Nighthand
Nov 4, 2009

what horror the gas



I don't think it would trigger on other warps, it's just "this card has warp if you have a valkyrie" and "this card does X special thing when you warp it". Like if you have Watchwing Support in play and you Warp a Deathwing you would get the warp text on the Deathwing, but not the Support effect.

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010


Oh. That's less confusing but also less interesting. Seems like an awful lot of work for a rather narrow effect.

goferchan
Feb 8, 2004



bamhand posted:

Oh. That's less confusing but also less interesting. Seems like an awful lot of work for a rather narrow effect.

I guess even we're limited to Valkyries in this expansion, it's meant to be a modular [Unit Type] Warp thing. So you could have Grenadin Warp, or Minotaur Warp, or whatever. Hell maybe even a shadow card with "Primal Warp" for auxiliary multi-faction support. It's pretty clever!

Huzzah!
Sep 14, 2007

Malnutrition is scarier than any beastie.


Balance Patch announced. Not much happening. a single nerf, a couple buffs and some slight changes to unit types.

Ice Elemental (from Emblem of Linrei) is a 2/1 down from a 3/1

and of the buffs, the only one that saw any play, Mighty Strikes has its amplify changed from 3 to 2.

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010


Hit rank 20 Expedition with this stupid list today somehow. Warning, it folds immediately to attachment removal. Somehow none of the decks I played against had it. And that mono shadow list with 4 Dichro's is really bad against it.

FORMAT:Expedition
4 Calibrate (Set8 #31)
4 Crack the Earth (Set8 #32)
1 Entrancer (Set4 #51)
1 From Beyond (Set9 #147)
1 Ghostblade Outcast (Set7 #63)
1 Tock Tick (Set2 #141)
1 Blistersting Wasp (Set2 #202)
1 Damara, Deft Saboteur (Set8 #121)
1 Desert Alchemist (Set9 #46)
1 Desert Marshal (Set1 #332)
1 Magnificent Stranger (Set8 #39)
4 Petition (Set4 #274)
1 Solemn Clergy (Set9 #86)
1 Temple Scribe (Set1 #502)
1 Amber Acolyte (Set1 #93)
4 Archmagister's Portal (Set1085 #4)
1 Ayan, Dark Conduit (Set9 #156)
1 Ayan, the Abductor (Set2 #204)
1 Blightmoth (Set1085 #14)
1 Gerrit, Throne Guardian (Set8 #326)
1 Pearl Abbey Smuggler (Set6 #231)
1 Pesky Seedling (Set1085 #5)
1 Rectifier (Set8 #46)
1 Scorpion Wasp (Set1 #96)
1 Diana, Faith's Shield (Set9 #195)
1 Doctor Zytrom (Set1095 #19)
1 Purgedriver (Set8 #80)
1 Rolant, Iron Tyrant (Set9 #207)
1 Sandstorm Titan (Set1 #99)
1 Silverblade Menace (Set1087 #10)
1 Feartracker (Set8 #137)
1 Makkar's Stranger (Set8 #140)
1 Rageheart Paladin (Set8 #84)
4 Restrained Action (Set8 #87)
1 Svetya, Lightbringer (Set9 #105)
4 Time Sigil (Set1 #63)
1 Time Symbol (Set9 #37)
3 Justice Sigil (Set1 #126)
1 Justice Symbol (Set9 #73)
3 Shadow Sigil (Set1 #249)
3 Seat of Progress (Set0 #58)
4 Xenan Cylix (Set9 #199)
4 Argenport Cylix (Set9 #205)
2 Seat of Vengeance (Set0 #55)
---------------MARKET---------------
1 Confiscate (Set5 #66)
1 Gates of Hope (Set9 #99)
1 Grodov's Burden (Set8 #53)
1 Shen-Ra Speaks (Set7 #176)
1 Silver Night (Set1095 #11)

Nosre
Apr 16, 2002




sometimes you sail through with that deck, sometimes you run into guys playing maindeck Ruin

Huzzah!
Sep 14, 2007

Malnutrition is scarier than any beastie.



We did it, we found the payoff for "put a bunch of random poo poo in your market"

apophenium
Apr 13, 2009


There's a glitch with the Align the Tesseract legendary where you can play it for free as long as you don't have any grenadins in play

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013



Empire of Glass just went live, does anyone else think the art direction of humanoids in this set is decidedly more cartoony than all previous sets combined?

Nosre
Apr 16, 2002




well that's certainly a new combo

The red relic that doubles each player's power every turn, turning into this



The new 1 power 1/1 'Overloader' means anything with Amplify 1 doubles your power, plus there's a new tutor for amplifies, and a draw spell

Nosre fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Dec 15, 2020

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010


Yeah Realign the Stars at 3 cost and fast is not something that's going to stay that way.

Nosre
Apr 16, 2002




got a list for it by any chance? I don't see a tuned one public yet

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010


Oh I meant in general. Was watching Roshi's stream last night, he was playing 45 power World Pyre and it was clear Realign is what's holding the deck together. That and the starting hand draw mechanics.

Nighthand
Nov 4, 2009

what horror the gas



https://twitter.com/LocoPojo/status/1339134619044605953

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010


Why is every deck running 4x Dichro's Ruin. It's a fairly niche card that does nothing about half the time. Just won with Sling vs 2x Dichro's. Just held Sling in hand and he didn't have removal to answer 5 mana 6/6's. Then used Sling to clear blockers and kill him once his life got low.

I think it's only good main deck if your deck has card draw to make up for when it's a dead card.

Nosre
Apr 16, 2002




I'm D1 and should hit master's with an even/mask of torment/dichro's/merriest mandrake thing, but yea even in that, which takes advantage of the lifegain, it's not a windmill slam 4x I thought it was

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010


Roshi was playing turbofog last night. They finally printed enough support for that to exist! 8 fog effects, 4 howling mine, 8 sweepers, 4 re read. Dichro's Ruin or Menace to win. Fun and interactive.

Nosre
Apr 16, 2002




just had a dude combo off and go down to 1 with the new black amplify draw spell, only to die to my Dichro's, so actually windmill slam 4x forever

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013



Dichro's Ruin tears apart Yetis.

Nosre
Apr 16, 2002




Did indeed master's with this, and it barely uses any new cards, so posting for reference. It's got game against anything except maybe sling, though as an Even deck it's naturally swingy

FORMAT:Throne
3 Last Chance (Set1004 #17)
4 Damara, Deft Saboteur (Set8 #121)
2 Defile (Set8 #122)
3 Desert Alchemist (Set9 #46)
4 Devour (Set1 #261)
3 Dichro's Ruin (Set9 #338)
4 Evenhanded Golem (Set6 #237)
4 Send an Agent (Set1097 #17)
4 Speed Grafter (Set10 #174)
4 The Merriest Mandrake (Set7 #323)
4 Vine Grafter (Set10 #197)
3 Katra, The First Seal (Set9 #201)
3 Mask of Torment (Set2 #212)
3 Icaria, First Reaper (Set1087 #11)
5 Shadow Sigil (Set1 #249)
4 Stonescar Vow (Set9 #190)
4 Crest of Mystery (Set4 #266)
4 Seat of Mystery (Set0 #61)
2 Xenan Banner (Set2 #201)
4 Xenan Cylix (Set9 #199)
4 Feln Vow (Set9 #208)
---------------MARKET---------------
1 Wasteland Broker (Set9 #214)
1 Xenan Temple (Set5 #224)
1 Grodov's Stranger (Set8 #54)
1 Passage of Eons (Set1001 #3)
1 Azindel, Revealed (Set1004 #21)

Nosre
Apr 16, 2002




hah, dunno about good, but that's neat

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013



Nosre posted:

hah, dunno about good, but that's neat



WHAT

I am just straight up Chapelle's Lil Wayne sketch over here.

Nosre
Apr 16, 2002




for the few of you still playing, this draft format is quite good with the new set. I'm digging it anyway. Just had a 7-2 with this:



The grafters are all very good and have opened up market shenanigans for draft like never before, and there's a lot of nice synergies among the colors.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.



Grimey Drawer

Is the market even viable in draft?

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

The market is absolutely viable in draft, it's definitely something to keep in mind if you've only drafted Merchant/Smuggler sets before. You will quite reliably pick up multiple market-access cards that are on-rate even if you never use the market access, so you're leaving value on the table if you ignore the market entirely.

IMO cards that are bad most of the time but sometimes excellent go up a bit in the pick order compared to cards that are mediocre but playable all the time, since having one or two silver bullets that you can market up when relevant is super helpful. Slap in a power, a couple of silver bullets, and one late-game value card that didn't quite make the cut for the maindeck and you've got an A+ limited market.

Nighthand
Nov 4, 2009

what horror the gas



I haven't had a successful draft in like two sets but the first draft I did of this set was this, and I went 7-1



Yeah market is super accessible, there's a lot of cards with incidental market access. I was hitting mine 2-3 times per game in this deck.

Fatal Misstep did work, Blackout the Skies was a blowout exactly once. Wirechewer did some decent work, and Metalfang is an absolute bomb. In 8 games I never actually played Burn Out or Beacon of War, oddly enough.

bartolimu
Nov 25, 2002




I don't know if nobody is playing over Christmas weekend or what, but somehow I, down in silver 2 with my janky Sentinel reanimate deck, got matched against a top-300 player. The result was...not what I expected.



Sentinel reanimate is super fun when it works.

Teledahn
May 14, 2009

What is that bear doing there?




Pillbug

bartolimu posted:

... my janky Sentinel reanimate deck ... Sentinel reanimate is super fun when it works.

Tell me of your janky Sentinel reanimate deck.

bartolimu
Nov 25, 2002




Teledahn posted:

Tell me of your janky Sentinel reanimate deck.

It's not well optimized or tuned, but it's this:

FORMAT:Throne
4 Arcanum Hourglass (Set4 #69)
3 Beseech the Throne (Set9 #212)
4 Evenhanded Golem (Set6 #237)
4 Kairos' Choice (Set7 #151)
4 Learned Herbalist (Set4 #63)
4 Powercell (Set10 #141)
3 Speed Grafter (Set10 #174)
4 Pompous Historian (Set5 #60)
4 Sandstorm Titan (Set1 #99)
4 Stirring Sand (Set3 #86)
4 Siege Supplier (Set10 #362)
3 Great-Kiln Titan (Set3 #49)
2 Goldplate Goliath (Set10 #369)
4 Fire Sigil (Set1 #1)
4 Time Sigil (Set1 #63)
4 Crest of Impulse (Set3 #251)
4 Praxis Banner (Set2 #171)
4 Praxis Insignia (Set6 #226)
4 Praxis Painting (Set10 #142)
4 Praxis Vow (Set9 #181)
---------------MARKET---------------
1 Wasteland Broker (Set9 #214)
1 Grodov's Stranger (Set8 #54)
1 The Speaking Circle (Set10 #404)
1 Heart of the Vault (Set2 #183)
1 Novaquake Titan (Set3 #100)

It doesn't have enough discard to reliably pull something from the void on turn 4, but it doesn't fold to most aggro and intimidates midgame boards into a standstill. Usual win condition is pulling a charging Novaquake from the market and smashing face while bouncing the other guy's units, but it can easily win through ramping out fatties or just attrition as well.

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010


So shadow etchings doesn't seem to have an influence requirement to swap market cards right now. And I had an ultimate not trigger properly with mandrakes. Game seems kinda buggy at the moment.

Also mandrakes and valks are both incredible hard decks to pilot.

Standingstoic
Jan 17, 2007
Out of the blue, beyond any cause you can trace, you'll suddenly realize things are not how you perceived them at all. For some reason, you will no longer be the person you believed you once were.

bamhand posted:

Also mandrakes and valks are both incredible hard decks to pilot.

I know a lot of people on the reddit are SO MAD about Mandrakes in EX right now, but I think Jund Valks is just as good, if not a smidge better against the field at large now that things have settled down a little bit.

Are you playing just Xenan? Or the splash primal for the Old Lady?

I've been playing combrei relics equalize on ladder the last couple of days to fairly good success. Speaking Circle might be my favourite card in a while because you can just kinda put any mid/control shell around it and you just basically have a competitive deck. It's weird how it isn't an overwhelmingly powerful card or anything, it just compliments everything.

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010


Yeah just Xenan. I feel like expedition has fixing problems for 3 influence decks. Valks, Combrei control, and Mandrakes are the three decks to beat right now. And Valks sometimes just flounders and does nothing because of influence issues. But when it goes off, boy does it go off.

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010


Just made it into expedition master. Played Mandrakes for the final leg. I played Elysian spells with Krull, Valks, and Mandrakes. Mandrakes felt the most consistent of the 3. I cut out the 3/5 silence guys and a send the agent for 3 exploits. Exploit is WAAY too strong not to play. Otherwise list is what's featured on Eternal Warcry. Also, as I noted, etchings is still busted at the moment. You can get a market card as long as you have a shadow unit to tap, doesn't matter if you have the influence or not. So that tilted the games a little bit more in my favor. Though I also pulled the wrong market card something like 30% of the time. When in doubt, get removal. Don't be greedy and grab shoals.

FORMAT:Expedition
4 Darkwater Vines (Set10 #316)
4 Shadow Etchings (Set9 #149)
4 Suffocate (Set1 #251)
4 Veteran Strategist (Set4 #273)
4 Xenan Lifespeaker (Set4 #198)
3 Exploit (Set10 #73)
3 Send an Agent (Set1097 #17)
4 Shadowcreeper (Set10 #380)
4 The Merriest Mandrake (Set7 #323)
4 Vine Grafter (Set10 #197)
4 Invasive Creeper (Set10 #355)
4 Venomous Nightshade (Set10 #343)
4 Vine Tangler (Set10 #381)
5 Time Sigil (Set1 #63)
4 Shadow Sigil (Set1 #249)
4 Combrei Vow (Set9 #193)
4 Seat of Mystery (Set0 #61)
4 Xenan Cylix (Set9 #199)
4 Feln Vow (Set9 #208)
---------------MARKET---------------
1 Edict of Makkar (Set7 #123)
1 Devouring Shadow (Set0 #36)
1 Shoal Stirrings (Set10 #358)
1 The Speaking Circle (Set10 #404)
1 Krull, Xumuc Occultist (Set10 #112)

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013



gently caress Mandrakes and everyone that plays them.

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010


Draw your sweeper and win! Or don't and lose.

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013



Just lmao that you can't not play a sweeper in Expedition in order to go past Gold II.
Expedition seems to be in a HORRIBLE place right now, way worse than before rotation.

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010


Have you tried playing Xenan Mandrakes?

All kidding aside, I think there's 3 or 4 equally good decks out there. It's just kind of binary in winning or losing. Draw your extremely good cards and do well. Or don't.

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013



I'm spent so I can't afford the 80,000 shiftstone we're expected to shell out with the release of each new set.
Right now, I'm trying to make Skycrag Flyers work, and it does sometimes, but they removed all the remotely good burn spells.

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newershadow
May 18, 2014


Balance changes are coming tomorrow, looks like itís probably targeted at expedition mandrakes/speaking circle.

https://www.direwolfdigital.com/news/1-8-live-balance-update/

Merriest 0/4 -> 0/3
Venomous Nightshade 3/3 -> 3/2

Rolant, Iron Tyrant 2/5 -> 1/5

Plus some expedition additions and unit type changes.

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