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Raygereio
Nov 12, 2012


Orv posted:

Bethesda modders are stupid, narcissistic fuckheads, Bethesda somehow allowed that to keep happening but now for money, and then everyone screamed a bunch and it didn't happen
Honestly it was such a complete non-starter and so much of the 'debate' was just brick walls screaming at each other in not-really-funny ways that it's best left as a lovely historical curiosity.

It will however always be funny that during those couple of dark days, a lovely, extremely low effort armour mod sold better then Arthrmoor's house mod.

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GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?


Novajam has provided all the summary we need:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH9dnQfec9E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSypj0fNbaE

Jagged Jim
Sep 25, 2013

Watch for falling boulders

Considering how quickly Steam abandoned the idea I'm pretty sure the whole thing was Bethesda's idea. Like in return for being one of the first games to add Workshop support Bethesda demanded that there would eventually be paid mods but Steam intentionally sabotaged it.

The drama starts here if you want to read it.

Some highlights off the top of my head:

-The modder himself only got a 25% cut with Bethesda and Steam taking the rest.

-A couple of the Paid items couldn't be obtained in game and had to be spawned in with the console.

-loving Arthrmoor was involved, so there was a dramabomb right there.

-There was absolutely no DRM on mod files. Within an hour of going live all of the paid mods were available as

-There were a couple of free mods that became paid mods with a note asking users to delete the free version of their mod before installing the paid version.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?


My favorite lazy paid mod thing was the number of pay-to-win cheat mods that for like a buck would give you 5000 gold or some poo poo, like literally console commands but as mods.

Ruflux
Jun 16, 2012


I believe Valve's commented on the paid mods fiasco a little since then and it doesn't really seem like they learned anything from it.

At least the community response was so severe that they're probably not going to try that poo poo again. Maybe. gently caress, with the way Valve's going I wouldn't even be surprised if they did it anyway.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012



Buglord

Ruflux posted:

I believe Valve's commented on the paid mods fiasco a little since then and it doesn't really seem like they learned anything from it.

At least the community response was so severe that they're probably not going to try that poo poo again. Maybe. gently caress, with the way Valve's going I wouldn't even be surprised if they did it anyway.

I was surprised that it didn't return for FO4

Scyantific
Feb 13, 2011

Awaken, Tribunal


The only modder I kind of felt bad for was Chesko mainly because it sounded like he got suckered into it by Bethesda and Valve as opposed to the others like Isoku, and was probably the one who got completely crucified by everyone else. Like, posterboy for getting shat on by an entire community.

Luckily though it was short-lived and he's back modding (he got early access and ported Frostfall over to SSE).

Crocoswine
Aug 20, 2010

SHIT


Improbable Lobster posted:

I was surprised that it didn't return for FO4

that's because Fallout 4 has no mod integration with Steam.

Orv
May 4, 2011

"To. Ya' know. Stuff."
(Nazi Rank <3)


All is right with the world.

Blind Duke
Nov 8, 2013


but you see guys those poor modders put in hours of work and time and money into those mods, they deserve to be paid for this work they did for Bethesda

if the mod for 50000 gold guy actually could make a living off his work we might get better quality mods, like a 100000 gold mod

Blind Duke fucked around with this message at Oct 30, 2016 around 21:40

Digirat
Sep 14, 2011

stinking
rat-vole
rodent
piece of
TRASH



redwall

Orv
May 4, 2011

"To. Ya' know. Stuff."
(Nazi Rank <3)


Man what were the like, special forces of Redwall? They were one of the varieties of long rodents or something, give me one of those as a companion not some idiot elf.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO


Orv posted:

Don't forget to watch the CINEMATIC PROLOGUE for a wonderful selection of Bad Fantasy Author Pronoun Soup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z4MvAhvB0E

And them literally just stealing the TES prophecy PC poo poo.

So, Overgrowth 2.0?

Golden Goat
Aug 2, 2012



Orv posted:

Don't forget to watch the CINEMATIC PROLOGUE for a wonderful selection of Bad Fantasy Author Pronoun Soup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z4MvAhvB0E

And them literally just stealing the TES prophecy PC poo poo.

You know what this needs?

Some real bears.

Bieeardo
Aug 21, 2000

Someone bold, someone blue, someone borrowed, someone new...


Grimey Drawer

That was powerfully generic.

Grizzwold
Jan 27, 2012

The ocean demands bacon


All that stuff about Arthmoor and nothing on him "fixing" the PC's lines in FO4?

Shamelessly stolen from the Skyrim Modding thread:

Raygereio posted:

In FO4 the voice actress for the female PC - Courtenay Taylor - ad libbed some lines while recording and Bethesda kept some of that and put it in the game. Only in some cases (or all, I'm not sure) those ad-libs didn't have subtitles or lip-sync. So it was reported as a bug to the UF4P. They then edited the voice file and cut the ad-libbed bits out.
People immediately complained because those ad-libs were neat. But since Arthmoor is incapable admitting he's wrong about something, he dug his heels in the sand until someone provided "proof" that the ad-libs were intentionally left in by Bethesda.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

Ten months later the
reactor is started.


I love that Arthmoor is so up his own sperg rear end that he went so far as to edit the voice files so that they matched the subtitles rather than the other way around.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO


The voice actors are really messing with Arthmoors artistic vision for FO4 huh?

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Target's in my sights...

*Zap! Zap!*

<Player has defeated D. Smart>


Fun Shoe

Can't wait to see the new era of terrible mods.

Blind Duke
Nov 8, 2013


Orv posted:

Man what were the like, special forces of Redwall? They were one of the varieties of long rodents or something, give me one of those as a companion not some idiot elf.

Either hares or otters, depending on the book

Senior Scarybagels
Jan 6, 2011

When plumbing the depths of depravity, I must remember to come up for air

Grimey Drawer

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Can't wait to see the new era of terrible mods.

He'll put oblivion gates in boston.

Scyantific
Feb 13, 2011

Awaken, Tribunal


MariusLecter posted:

The voice actors are really messing with Arthmoors artistic vision for FO4 huh?

It's so loving ironic, considering his infamy for adding in voice-acted lines for Mirmulnir into the USKP

ninjahedgehog
Feb 17, 2011

It's time to kick the tires and light the fires, Big Bird.


Scyantific posted:

It's so loving ironic, considering his infamy for adding in voice-acted lines for Mirmulnir into the USKP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WnHuC9wUtg

Maiden
Mar 18, 2008



Even that is him altering the voice to match the subtitle. You think it's ironic, but it's not.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012



Orv posted:

Man what were the like, special forces of Redwall? They were one of the varieties of long rodents or something, give me one of those as a companion not some idiot elf.

Rabbits, Badgers, Otters.

That's all that comes to mind without googling.

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007


THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...




Squirrels too I think?

Mystic Mongol
Jan 5, 2007



College Slice

RareAcumen posted:

Rabbits, Badgers, Otters.

That's all that comes to mind without googling.

The otters were knights errant working for a badger in a secret mountain fortress where they launched holy wars against the rats. Also, everyone loved puzzles.

Maple Leaf
Aug 24, 2010
I got tired of seeing that Metroid all the time

I made a pretty awful mod for Smash 4, you can check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br25aFxae0I

Thanks for listening

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO


Maple Leaf posted:

I made a pretty awful mod for Smash 4, you can check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br25aFxae0I

Thanks for listening

You're alright.

http://i.imgur.com/9IVc3mD.jpg

Two Beans
Nov 27, 2003

dabbin' on em

Someone should mod in a character based on Arthmoor that's a bard singing the Dragonborn song incorrectly and badly, who claims his version has better lyrics than the original. Then include a quest from a jarl or someone to make him a mute.

FutonForensic
Nov 11, 2012



MariusLecter posted:

So, Overgrowth 2.0?

Is there an Overgrowth 1.0 yet?

ninjahedgehog
Feb 17, 2011

It's time to kick the tires and light the fires, Big Bird.


Mystic Mongol posted:

The otters were knights errant working for a badger in a secret mountain fortress where they launched holy wars against the rats. Also, everyone loved puzzles.

Nah, that was hares. Joke's on me for not just letting this one slide

Orv
May 4, 2011

"To. Ya' know. Stuff."
(Nazi Rank <3)


All I really remember about Redwall is that some sort of animal worked for a giant murderbadger in a cool mountain fortress, the main mouse was a total bitch and the books got super hosed up for what were ostensibly kids books the further they went in.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
too short to worry
She said life's
too long to wait
It's too short not
to love everybody
Life's too long to hate

And then everyone realized the real treasure was the friends they made along the way

armchairyoda
Sep 17, 2008


Two Beans posted:

Someone should mod in a character based on Arthmoor that's a bard singing the Dragonborn song incorrectly and badly, who claims his version has better lyrics than the original. Then include a quest from a jarl or someone to make him a mute.

Zamboni Apocalypse
Dec 29, 2009



A quest to kidnap him and throw him through an Oblivion gate.

double nine
Aug 8, 2013



Two Beans posted:

Someone should mod in a character based on Arthmoor that's a bard singing the Dragonborn song incorrectly and badly, who claims his version has better lyrics than the original. Then include a quest from a jarl or someone to make him a mute.

"He calls himself "art more". Get rid of him."

Senior Scarybagels
Jan 6, 2011

When plumbing the depths of depravity, I must remember to come up for air

Grimey Drawer

What if art more was an oblivion gate?

Mystic Mongol
Jan 5, 2007



College Slice

Cup Runneth Over posted:

And then everyone realized the real treasure was the friends they made along the way

Sorry, but the real treasure was pretty consistently enormous wheels of cheese.

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armchairyoda
Sep 17, 2008


Zamboni Apocalypse posted:

A quest to kidnap him and throw him through an Oblivion gate.

But... the gates? They're all in ruins!

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