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Tie-breaker for serial you'd most like to find an episode from
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The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve 33 44.59%
The Highlanders 41 55.41%
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pgroce
Oct 24, 2002


Rhyno posted:

She's not wrong. The Doctor does good things on an often epic scale but at what cost?

(This is everything I was trying to say in two sentences, but I wrote all these words dammit so here.)

It's somewhat reductionist to just call him "a bad guy," but even limiting yourself to the TV show, he's...complicated. I mean, sure, a lot of that's from all the different writers. But even so, I think the show demonstrates that you can't be the kind of adventurous interventionist he is without coming up against some serious ethical problems.

I only pop into this thread occasionally, but often when I do I end up talking about how the great strength of DW is that it's an anthology show about stuff besides the Doctor and the companions. It succeeds most when they're just catalysts/conduits for the real action of the show, driven by the one-off characters in the serial/episode. It succeeds least when the travelers in the TARDIS become the center of the action, and we're encouraged to look at their situation more carefully and critically.

Consider: The Doctor's choice to run around intervening is, at best, amoral and, at worst, essentially the "white savior" stereotype taken to its extreme. His interventions are made with little consideration, and he often leaves messes for others to clean up. That he takes on companions and introduce them to all these dangerous situations when there's no way they can offer informed consent is, at heart, ethically indefensible. (Romana is, perhaps, a notable exception, and even she was tricked into helping him. On the other side, Nine inviting Rose to travel with him seems almost predatory, given how little she knows about what she's getting into and how, in many ways, he devastates the lives of her and her family/friends.)

Of course, it's a fantasy show and the Doctor and his companions are more like supernatural archetypes than real people, so many of these criticisms don't land as hard as they might. (Though the show seems to nod its head approvingly at the "white savior" thing more often than I'd like....) But that's why the show works best when the main characters are anyone but the recurring cast.

In this regard, I've consistently preferred the old series and the audios to the new series. Meditation on the main cast seems inevitable in modern TV, and that's the show's glass jaw.

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NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009


As a guy who's written extensively, far too extensively, on the question of the Doctor's morality, calling him a "bad guy" is needlessly reductionist to outright disingenuous. The Doctor's, at his very worst (The Christmas Invasion), as cruel as the world in which he inhabits. He commits genocide on a race of beings that are about to commit genocide. That doesn't make what he does right, and it's pretty reprehensible, but relatively speaking he's a corrective force, reacting to the situation he's in over creating the situation he's in.

He's an unequivocal force for good in this universe. The entire of the premise of the show hinges on that truism, and at its heart Doctor Who is a deeply optimistic show about the triumph of simple goodness over our more craven and selfish desires. The construction of the program relies entirely on the Doctor being a good guy; without that assumption the very show falls completely apart. It's also why, when RTD ruminated on "Is the Doctor good????" approximately 2,784,510,239 times (conservative estimate) during his run, the answer was always "Yes." Because the show doesn't work at all if he's not.

However, I would argue that The Doctor isn't an especially good person. He does good, but has so many character flaws he's often incredibly hard to sympathize with. He's not a madman with a box, and he's definitely not a psychopath with a box. He's an rear end in a top hat with a box. Especially Twelve.

pinacotheca
Oct 19, 2012

Events cast shadows before them, but the huger shadows creep over us unseen.

Never mind The Christmas Invasion or The Waters of Mars, what about him stealing Jo's sandwiches in The Sea Devils? Absolutely unforgivable.

She was really hungry, too

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Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013


Goons, goons, goons. You're all missing the most important issue here: What books did Cobi get?

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

MENTALLY
DEFEATED


Grimey Drawer

Are we doing DWSS? It's the one time per year I get to pretend to be nice.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014




Pillbug

Secret santa could be fun but I don't know what stuff the thread considers good. Last year I saw people posting pictures of books and miniatures and the like.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

MENTALLY
DEFEATED


Grimey Drawer

CommonShore posted:

Secret santa could be fun but I don't know what stuff the thread considers good. Last year I saw people posting pictures of books and miniatures and the like.

I usually give out DW DVDs and Books for starters, then little stuff from my hometown. I think I've also given games before. Your best bet is to check your Santee's post history and see where else they post to get ideas.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."


Big Mean Jerk posted:

Are we doing DWSS? It's the one time per year I get to pretend to be nice.

Yes, we will be! I was thinking about that today. I'll run up a post in the next couple of days while it's quiet at work. Although my new job has blocked Imgur, so that'll be fun.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.

The_Doctor posted:

Yes, we will be! I was thinking about that today. I'll run up a post in the next couple of days while it's quiet at work. Although my new job has blocked Imgur, so that'll be fun.

I'm sorry, is that an angry Christmas emoji?!?

It's Christmas! What could people possibly be angry about?

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009


CobiWann posted:

What could people possibly be angry about?


Did you see last year's Christmas special?

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."


I liked bits of it. Whimsy was turned up slightly too high, even for Xmas.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

MENTALLY
DEFEATED


Grimey Drawer

I still haven't watched it.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.

Lick! The! Whisk! posted:

Did you see last year's Christmas special?

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009


That's not last year's Christmas special.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.

Lick! The! Whisk! posted:

That's not last year's Christmas special.

Yes, they changed things up a bit. I didn't like it.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Lick! The! Whisk! posted:

That's not last year's Christmas special.

I kinda wish it was every year's (and every show's) Christmas Special

Blasphemeral
Jul 26, 2012

Three mongrel men in exchange for a party member? I found that one in the Faustian Bargain Bin.

pgroce posted:

(This is everything I was trying to say in two sentences, but I wrote all these words dammit so here.)
...

Lick! The! Whisk! posted:

As a guy who's written extensively, far too extensively, on the question of the Doctor's morality, ... He's an rear end in a top hat with a box. Especially Twelve.

Just so you guys know, stuff like this is really why I read this thread. Thanks for that.

(Oh, and also the audio recommendations. So, thanks for that Cobi, Jeru, et. al.)

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


I still think one of my favorite encapsulations of the Doctor as a character comes from The Beast Below

Doctor: Amy I have one rule, one unbreakable rule. We never, ever, ever interfere.
Immediately interferes

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


I was re-watching "The Three Doctors" recently and my favourite part remains Omega getting increasingly exasperated not at his plans being thwarted, but at having to put up with Two and Three's bullshit.

Shiftypenguin
Mar 15, 2005

Antique Roadshow

pinacotheca posted:

Never mind The Christmas Invasion or The Waters of Mars, what about him stealing Jo's sandwiches in The Sea Devils? Absolutely unforgivable.

She was really hungry, too

Sword fighting is hungry work.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."


Jerusalem posted:

I still think one of my favorite encapsulations of the Doctor as a character comes from The Beast Below

Doctor: Amy I have one rule, one unbreakable rule. We never, ever, ever interfere.
Immediately interferes



"I think you'll find I'm universally recognised as a mature and responsible adult."
<brandishes psychic paper>
"It's just a lot of wavy lines."
"Yeah, it's shorted out. Finally a lie too big."

pgroce
Oct 24, 2002


Blasphemeral posted:

Just so you guys know, stuff like this is really why I read this thread. Thanks for that.

(Oh, and also the audio recommendations. So, thanks for that Cobi, Jeru, et. al.)

If you like when people think entirely too hard about Doctor Who, here are some good books to look into:

Doctor Who: The Unfolding Text by John Tulloch and Manuel Alvarado. This is a book-length dissertation on Doctor Who, using a narrative overview of the history of the show to go on various critical tangents. Out of print, but not impossible to get hold of. Published in 1984, so obviously it's missed out on a lot of history, even of the old series.

Time and relative dissertations in space: Critical perspectives on Doctor Who by David Butler (ed.). An anthology of mostly academic, critical articles on the show. It doesn't go into the new show in very much depth, but does recognize that it exists.

I can definitely see how both these books would be boring or irritating to some fans, but I eat this stuff up.


Lick! The! Whisk! posted:

The Doctor's, at his very worst (The Christmas Invasion), as cruel as the world in which he inhabits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGDccs6LpKQ#t=263s

(Appealing to Stone Cold Billy Hartnell is, I admit, a cheap shot.)

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.



Doom Coalition 3 follows the same path as its predecessor but with much stronger footing. The Doctor, with Liv and Helen by his side, finds himself engaged in a dastardly plan that extends across both time and space, forcing the TARDIS crew to work together while scattered across different historical eras with allies such as a notorious English statesman, the queen of a mechanical alien race, and a gun-wielding nun. Slowly raising the stakes throughout the four stories, the box set gives listeners the added bonus of four distinct and memorable endings, one of which should go down in history as one of Big Finish’s best.

Cast
Paul McGann (The Doctor)
Nicola Walker (Liv Chenka)
Hattie Morahan (Helen Sinclair)
Alex Kingston (River Song)
Jeremy Clyde (George)
Ian Puleston-Davies (Angus Selwyn)
Richard Hope (Phillip Cook/Kal)
Anna Acton (Kate Drury)
John Shrapnel (Thomas Cromwell)
Kasia Koleczek (Apolena)
Glen McCready(Solvers/Abbot)
Emma D'Inverno (Rosalia)
Tim McMullan (Octavian)
Janie Dee(Risolva)
Robert Bathurst (Padrac)
John Heffernan (The Imposter)
Nicholas Woodeson (The Clocksmith)

Written by
Absent Friends – John Dorney
The Eighth Piece – Matt Fitton
The Doomsday Chronomter – Matt Fitton
The Crucible of Souls – John Dorney

Directed by: Ken Bentley
Sound: Benji Clifford
Music: Jamie Robertson

Released: 22 September 2016

Trailer - https://www.bigfinish.com/releases/...oalition-3-1223



Earth. The late 20th century. Across the world, the mobile phone is gaining popularity as more and more people decide to join the digital age. But for the residents of a sleepy English town sitting in the shade of a new transmission mast, that ubiquity has a troubling cost.

When the TARDIS veers off-course, the Doctor and his companions find themselves in the middle of a mystery.

Sometimes the past comes back to haunt you. And sometimes the future does as well.


Absent Friends is easily reminiscent of Beachhead, the opening story for Doom Coalition 2. Both are low-key episodes that slowly and carefully set the stage for the box set’s larger story arc. In the late 1990’s, a small English town has been protesting the presence of a new transmission mast that has been planted right outside the village limits. In an attempt to appease the villagers, the global conglomerate Supervill has given each of them a mobile phone for them to use, free of charge, in order to learn the benefits of the new technology. While the phones allow for a new level of freedom and communication for their users, the villagers soon learn about the perils of unsolicited calls - calls from the past, coming from friends and relatives who have passed on to the next life. Unaware of their impending fate, all they want is to have a conversation with their loved ones. Is this simply the past giving the citizens of the village an opportunity to say goodbye and gain closure? Of course not. The Doctor knows there’s no such thing as ghosts…

But even Liv, hailing from the far future, gets a phone call from her father who died suddenly from an undiscovered disease. What follows is your standard episode of Who that deals with the “supernatural” as the Doctor sets out to prove that (obviously) the telecommunications company that (maliciously) set up the transmission mast has a (dastardly) plan to take over the world. Writer John Dorney turns these potential clichés on their ear however with a CEO “villain” who gleefully chews the scenery and by having the source of the calls from the past/future having very little to do with the obvious, leaving the Doctor…not quite wrong, but not quite right either. The true reason for the mobile calls is where the larger plot for Doom Coalition 3 kicks in.

While the Doctor and Liv are dealing with the phone calls, Helen is on the train to London to see how the city has changed/will change in the decades to come. Upon seeing her old apartment building from the 1960’s, Helen is surprised to see a relative of hers is still living there…and makes the mistake of trying to talking to him to find out what happened to her family during the 30+ years that she was “gone.” What follows is a very well written example of why the Doctor continually stresses that time travelers should never check into their own lives. With Absent Friends, Dorney gives listeners a story that conjures up memories of the Ninth Doctor televised episode Father’s Day as Helen deals with the effect her absence has/would have upon her family, while at the same time Liv tries to come to grips with the opportunity to tell her Dad to seek medical treatment before he’s struck down. Hattie Morahan gets some solid character development for Helen as she slowly realizes the ramifications one person can have on history. It’s a portrayal that carries over throughout the rest of the box set as Helen is very careful to tread lightly when dealing with history. Which is sort of ironic considering who she ends up paired with in the next episode. We also get some more background on Liv as Nicola Walker helps us dive into Liv’s relationship with her father and how difficult it is to be so far away from him, especially now that he’s gone. At the previous Doom Coalition box sets, both Liv and Helen were sometimes pushed to the side for the sake of the plot, and I’m very happy to say that this story sets the pattern that this will NOT be the case this time out!

Absent Friends works as both a stand-alone episode and as the kick-off point for Doom Coalition 3. Having discovered the truth of the mobile calls, the Doctor places it in the safest place known to man (the Lost Property Office of the London Underground) before heading off in the TARDIS to track down its source. However, it’s not before listeners get a great cliffhanger as, of all things, the phone on the TARDIS door rings and the Doctor swears he will not, will not, WILL NOT pick it up…

*click*

quote:

“Hello?”




15th Century Prague: in the castle dungeons, a prisoner raves about the end of the world. Outside, Liv Chenka seeks out the workshop of a strange Clockmaker to see what he is creating.

England, 1538: Lord Thomas Cromwell finds his duties interrupted by otherworldly forces – clockwork soldiers, an unusual nun, and a mysterious scholar calling himself ‘the Doctor’. Perhaps the truth can be extracted in the torture chamber of London’s Bloody Tower?

Rome, 2016: Helen Sinclair has an appointment with an enigmatic Professor, whose greatest work is almost complete. Only the Eighth Piece is missing…


The Eighth Piece may be seen as the first episode of a two-part story. Seeking to find out more about the Doomsday Chronometer and how it ties into the past, present, and future of Earth, the Doctor splits up the TARDIS crew among three time periods to seek out more about the mysterious clock. While the Doctor heads to Tudor England and crosses paths with the infamous Thomas Cromwell, Liv finds herself in 15th century Prague seeking out the laboratory of a mysterious clockmaker. Helen pulls the “easy” task of landing in contemporary Italy where a professor has painstakingly assembled all the pieces of a fantastical timepiece. All he’s missing is one final component. But there’s someone else interested in that component – a nun with a gun, a vortex manipulator, and a little bit of familiarity with Helen, Liv, and the Doctor…

Matt Fitton weaves three timelines together almost effortlessly with nary a hint of confusion. What one character does affects the adventures the other characters are having, and vice versa (and versa vice?). The Clocksmith, a renegade Time Lord, is intent on putting together the titular Doomsday Chronometer with the aid of the Solvers, a race of clockwork aliens who acts as the Clocksmith’s muscle. Liv and Helen both have run-ins with the Clocksmith in their respective time periods, but it’s a mysterious prisoner in 21st century Rome named Octavian that shows there’s much more to the Chronometer than it appears.

Paul McGann has been on top of his game throughout Doom Coalition with energy and passion. The Eighth Doctor is far from subtle and prefers improvisation to scheming and planning and it shows as he bluntly explains to Cromwell what he’s after and how important it is. I could listen to McGann and Cromwell, played by John Shrapnel, go back and forth all day, King and Country vs. the Whole of Time and Space, with neither side wanting to give in. Nicholas Woodeson also deserves a shout-out as the Clocksmith, who doesn’t see himself as a villain so much as an artist, charming and dedicated to his craft. The Doomsday Chronometer is nothing more than his ultimate masterpiece. Anyone who gets in his way…well, they will make wonderful raw materials for his sculptures.

By the time The Eighth Piece is discovered, Liv is at the mercy of the clockmaker, Helen is trying to wrap her mind around the appearance of a gun-wielding Sister, and the Doctor has been told by the Clocksmith that escaping from the Tower of London is impossible. Because according to history, this evening is the date a man called the Doctor is executed…



While River Song takes Helen on an archaeological expedition like no other, the Doctor finds himself enlisted by an alien Queen to save her people.

Trapped and alone, Liv stares death in the face as she meets the enemy who’s been dogging the TARDIS travellers’ footsteps throughout Earth’s history.

The Doomsday Chronometer has been protected for five centuries: secret cults and societies jealously guarding its mystery. But what is their real purpose? The Doctor is about to discover the truth…


The Doomsday Chronometer concludes the story of the Clocksmith by pulling on all the threads and bringing all the players together. Liv stands before the Clocksmith, ready to be encased in molten metal as one of his creations, as Helen is pulled through history by one Melody Malone to claim as many pieces of the timepiece as possible before a fanatical cult dedicated to the end of time can. The Doctor and Sister Resolver, the queen of the clockwork Solvers, attempt to free her people from the grips of the renegade Time Lord. All of them, along with the prisoner Octavian, are moving towards the same goal – to stop the Clocksmith and prevent the Doomsday Chronometer from being assembled.

One of the things I’ve always like about Big Finish is they do their best to keep the complex understandable instead of dumbing it down. They trust their listeners to follow along and work their way through the plot along with the characters. Desperate to complete his masterpiece, the Clocksmith travels back and forth along his own timeline, in many ways dooming himself to failure even before he begins (in a subtle call back to Helen’s consequences in Absent Friends)]. I admit, I was surprised and a little bummed at the way the Clocksmith meets his fate. It’s satisfying, but it felt like he was being built up as a secondary Big Bad along the lines of Caleera from The Sonomancer. To go out how he did was disappointing, if appropriate on a karmic level.

I’m wary to type up much more about The Doomsday Chronometer because of its cliffhanger ending. It turns out the Doomsday Chronometer isn’t an ultimate weapon at all. Rather, it’s THE timepiece that will count down to the destruction of the universe. The end of time itself seems to be moving forward at an incredibly rapid rate to approach the modern day. The Doctor, with Melody Malone at his side, races off in the Clocksmith’s advanced TARDIS in an attempt to reach the end of time before it reaches them, leaving Helen, Liv, and his own TARDIS behind…



The date has been set.

The trap has been sprung.

A life has been taken and a maniac is on the loose.

With the TARDIS crew separated and in terrible trouble, will today be the day the bad guys win?

Spoilers…


The Crucible of Souls is the climax of Doom Coalition 3 and it’s a HELL of a story to go out on. John Dorney pens the final chapter as the Doctor and Melody Malone (aka River Song) discover that temporal refugees fleeing from the end of time are being hunted down one-by-one while Helen and Liv finds themselves on Gallifrey, landing in the deepest parts of the Archives. A collection of forbidden weapons and lore, the Archives are overseen by one of the Doctor’s oldest friends who is very keen to figure out just how the two humans gained access…or rather, WHO helped them gain accesses…

Again, I treading carefully because the last thing I want to do is spoil anything because the cliffhanger of The Doomsday Chronometer rolls wonderfully right into the events of The Crucible of Souls. With this story, a whole bunch of questions are answered, primarily “What the hell IS the Doom Coalition?” Along with “What is their grand plan?” And “Where does the insane Time Lord the Eleven fit into all of this, especially since Mark Bonnar isn’t in this box set?” It all comes together from three different angles into a finale with some horrifying concepts (imagine a weapon that can force a Time Lord to burn through all their regenerations in a few seconds before killing them permanently) and a cliffhanger that truly places the Doctor and his companions in an impossible situation, one that had even this long time fan wondering “how are they going to get out of THIS one?!?” It also added a new insult to my vocabulary. ”You have the face of a constipated Sontaran.”

The promotional materials for Doom Coalition 2 prominently featured River Song even though she only appeared in the finale of that box set. In Doom Coalition 3 River is a vital part of three stories, and continues the trend of Big Finish taking a beloved television character (the Tenth Doctor, Donna Noble, Strax) and translating them perfectly to audio. With a box set of her own under the belt, Alex Kingston plays the archaeologist just as she did on television – sly, cocky, quick thinking, and just a little big smug. If you didn’t care for River on television (and I’ve admitted in the past that I wasn’t a big fan of the character) Kingston’s performance has a chance to win you over, especially since Dorney firmly puts River at the Doctor’s side. There’s no “they’re only talking over the intercom” or “River just slips behind the Doctor’s back when he enters the room.” Sister Melody Malone, complete with psychic wimple to make her look a bit like Rita Heyworth, is alongside the Doctor. There are the little hints that listeners will either find infuriating or charming such as Melody/River knowing how to fly the TARDIS and the one time drop of “spoilers.” Beyond that, putting River and the Doctor in the same room really drives home just how good the chemistry is between Kingston and McGann as they play off each other with ease. Walker and Morahan also have their moments, as their plot lines seen “normal” humans caught up in Time Lord shenanigans where both Liv and Helen manage to hold their own.

Doom Coalition 3 wraps up with one hell of a cliffhanger, the perfect ending to a collection four superb stories. Even without Mark Bonnar’s Eleven as the central villain, the box set showcases the TARDIS crew and River Song with some strong character moments and memorable secondary characters. With the fourth and final box set being released in early 2017, Doom Coalition 3 is a strong lead-in for what’s sure to be a slam-bang finale to Eight’s fight against the Eleven.

Cobi’s Synopsis – Four top-end stories, each with their own unique endings including one that just might be an instant classic, make Doom Coalition 3 a strong showing for all involved as the titular alliance stands revealed and their diabolic plan is laid bare for all to see.

Martytoof
Feb 25, 2003

It's called a hassle, sweetheart..



So uh, I don't know if this is blasphemy in here or not but the animation on Power of the Daleks looks pretty awful. This is the best BBC could come up with? I mean that's just the impression I got from the youtube video.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


I should really listen to Doom Coalition.... which means I should really listen to Dark Eyes! Which means I need to get caught up on the contemporary Monthly Range titles..... oh and there is 4th Doctor Adventures Seasons 2 and up to do as well, not to mention the last War Doctor audio and the upcoming UNIT boxset and.... oh God

Martytoof posted:

So uh, I don't know if this is blasphemy in here or not but the animation on Power of the Daleks looks pretty awful. This is the best BBC could come up with? I mean that's just the impression I got from the youtube video.

I've seen a couple different videos and one of them looked really good and the other looked kinda meh, I'm hoping like hell it turns out more the former than the latter.

Martytoof
Feb 25, 2003

It's called a hassle, sweetheart..



Well I mean the one in the OP in this thread. The stills look great but as soon as they added any kind of animation it just made me

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

sorry doesn't bring
me back to life, Hal.


Martytoof posted:

Well I mean the one in the OP in this thread. The stills look great but as soon as they added any kind of animation it just made me

Their budget was probably all the change they could find in Frazier Hines' couch.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


Martytoof posted:

Well I mean the one in the OP in this thread. The stills look great but as soon as they added any kind of animation it just made me

The animation won't be great.

Best we can hope for is Invasion's animation and not...other...ones.

It's going to be bad no matter what because it's sub budget Government Funded animation.


But gently caress it, I'll take sock puppets at this stage

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.

Jerusalem posted:

I should really listen to Doom Coalition.... which means I should really listen to Dark Eyes! Which means I need to get caught up on the contemporary Monthly Range titles..... oh and there is 4th Doctor Adventures Seasons 2 and up to do as well, not to mention the last War Doctor audio and the upcoming UNIT boxset and.... oh God

May you never run out of new Doctor Who...

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Hey, Karn, what do you say to console someone who just got Thought Erased? You give up? "Need a hand?"


The_Doctor posted:

"I think you'll find I'm universally recognised as a mature and responsible adult."
<brandishes psychic paper>
"It's just a lot of wavy lines."
"Yeah, it's shorted out. Finally a lie too big."

I love this one.

Jerusalem posted:

I still think one of my favorite encapsulations of the Doctor as a character comes from The Beast Below

Doctor: Amy I have one rule, one unbreakable rule. We never, ever, ever interfere.
Immediately interferes



The Second Doctor has a good one, I think in The War Games, although it might be a Big Finish story, where he says something very like "You know, Jaime, I do have a slight tendency to meddle.."

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009


pinacotheca posted:

Never mind The Christmas Invasion or The Waters of Mars, what about him stealing Jo's sandwiches in The Sea Devils? Absolutely unforgivable.

She was really hungry, too

This is, no joke, why Three is my least favourite Doctor. It's basically the first thing I saw and it immediately soured me because the writing and direction makes it clear you're supposed to think Jo's in the wrong for daring to want to eat more than half a stick of celery. It's not "Laugh at the Doctor being a dick", it's "laugh at the woman for being a glutton".

Then I saw The Three Doctors, and... well, if you already think Three's a dick, him being one to the Second Doctor when Pat's being so effortlessly charming and fun isn't going to help.

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor


Jerusalem posted:

I still think one of my favorite encapsulations of the Doctor as a character comes from The Beast Below

Doctor: Amy I have one rule, one unbreakable rule. We never, ever, ever interfere.
Immediately interferes



I'm the Doctor, and basically all you need to know is...

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009


I'm just letting you all know.

If the Cubs lose this game, Doctor Who is cancelled.

I'm not a Cubs fan, mind you, but there's a poison pill clause in Doctor Who that if the Cubs lose a deciding Game 7 of the World loving Series after five loving runs up and a rain delay that kicks off extra innings, the entire of Doctor Who is just scrapped.

NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at Nov 3, 2016 around 04:06

Tim Burns Effect
Apr 1, 2011



CobiWann posted:





Matt Fitton weaves three timelines together almost effortlessly with nary a hint of confusion.

I absolutely beg to differ. Once it was over I had to immediately start it over again because I realized I didn't have the faintest idea what had just happened.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Lick! The! Whisk! posted:

I'm just letting you all know.

If the Cubs lose this game, Doctor Who is cancelled.

I'm not a Cubs fan, mind you, but there's a poison pill clause in Doctor Who that if the Cubs lose a deciding Game 7 of the World loving Series after five loving runs up and a rain delay that kicks off extra innings, the entire of Doctor Who is just scrapped.


Bain't nobody loving with Billy Hartnell's show

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Hey, Karn, what do you say to console someone who just got Thought Erased? You give up? "Need a hand?"


Lick! The! Whisk! posted:

I'm just letting you all know.

If the Cubs lose this game, Doctor Who is cancelled.

I'm not a Cubs fan, mind you, but there's a poison pill clause in Doctor Who that if the Cubs lose a deciding Game 7 of the World loving Series after five loving runs up and a rain delay that kicks off extra innings, the entire of Doctor Who is just scrapped.

I'm fairly certain the Universe is actually just going to end.

Box of Bunnies
Apr 3, 2012

One day, we'll know all the secrets of the skies, and we'll stop our wanderings.


Martytoof posted:

So uh, I don't know if this is blasphemy in here or not but the animation on Power of the Daleks looks pretty awful. This is the best BBC could come up with? I mean that's just the impression I got from the youtube video.

That's why I haven't really been all that excited for it. That quality of animation is okay when it's just filling out gaps in a story that has other remaining episodes but I don't really think it'll work for me for the full six episodes.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

MENTALLY
DEFEATED


Grimey Drawer

Fair warning; If I get you for DWSS and you happen to be a Cubs fan, you will be getting coal.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Lick! The! Whisk! posted:

I'm just letting you all know.

If the Cubs lose this game, Doctor Who is cancelled.

I'm not a Cubs fan, mind you, but there's a poison pill clause in Doctor Who that if the Cubs lose a deciding Game 7 of the World loving Series after five loving runs up and a rain delay that kicks off extra innings, the entire of Doctor Who is just scrapped.

Doctor Who isn't cancelled!

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NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009


Doctor Who remains uncancelled...for now...

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