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tweet my meat posted:Interesting drawbacks that significantly change the playstyle and difficulty of a race are cool and shouldn't be discouraged by lame goons that want a homogenous mass of races with slightly different aptitudes. I'm pretty sure the average goon is all for quirky races with disadvantages. I just don't think they subscribe to the developer philosophy of "the negatives should otuweigh the pros, because if we give you nice things someone might win too easily, and other people winning is a hate crime."
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tote up a bags posted:tavern.png  It's like they actively hate people who haven't been playing for 10 years.
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Aug 16, 2017 14:58
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It amazes me how much people care about how other people play a single player game, down to being willing to switch gods on the orb run to hide their actual God at time of victory so other spergs won't accuse them of cheating by using things that are legitimately in the game. Just make the drat game randomly enter an input I can't control every 80-100 inputs. That way the devs can directly and individually gently caress with every player on a per-game basis. You can make sure they don't accidentally have fun in
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Aug 16, 2017 15:41
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Half of Dracula posted:Why not a race? I'd love to play a Royal Jelly. RjBe all the way. The Royal Jelly race will be the food item, not the monster. It will be completely immobile and lack the ability to equip anything but a single ring, which it will not start with. If any creature not specifically carnivorous ends its turn next to you, you have a 1 in 3 chance of being instantly killed when it eats you. This will be balanced out by a +1 aptitude in Hexes.
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Aug 17, 2017 05:26
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Wolfechu posted:God no. I'd put things like dungeonmans and tome way ahead of crawl in terms of accessibility. Interface aside (and both are easier for the newbie), they're available on steam, which gets over the 'where the gently caress do I get this' hump at the beginning. Neither one of them particularly see having some strong things that are newbie friendly as a downside like Crawl devs seem to either.
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Sep 16, 2017 18:56
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jon joe posted:It's okay, we aren't an 'official' DCSS discussion thread. We are for the purposes of having fun or entertaining things taken away.
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Oct 6, 2017 19:36
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Well, we know with them being extremely positively received by players, a nerf was bound to happen before they went live. At least it was a small-ish nerf.  The core rule of development of any piece of software is "never give them what they want", otherwise they'll start asking you for things and expecting them to be done.
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Oct 13, 2017 19:52
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The question is, do they ever make it all the way to -8 aptitudes across the board?
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Oct 13, 2017 23:05
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Fitzy Fitz posted:This game has the worst devs. While I think we've known this to be true for awhile, it's amazing to see just how dedicated they are to holding that crown.
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Nov 1, 2017 15:35
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Instead of removing stuff they consider too good (or not their pet project), they should simply make it so that to use that race or feature, you have to watch an hour long youtube video that is just the dev team ranting about what a stupid piece of poo poo you are, and how they personally hate you, the player, for not playing the game "correctly". Then it would direct you to a form you would have to fill out and that lets them know you accept their scorn on a personal level, and then you could have your precious "fun". If you played on a web based client, the servers would append all your games on the scoreboard with racial and homophobic slurs so everybody would know you're a dirty fun-haver.
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Nov 2, 2017 16:27
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Floodkiller posted:People have been using VPNs to run bots that populate the online servers with awful player ghosts (CeCK, which gives them fast speed and a chaos brand), so it's become a situation of fix it or get rid of it because haven't been able to wall out the griefers as of yet. It never ceases to amaze me the lengths that crawl players will go to just to grief other crawl players in a single player game. It's even more amazing when it's not the devs!
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Nov 3, 2017 16:47
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I think his complaint is that if you get rid of recharging scrolls, then being able to recharge them by finding another equally rare wand is kind of bullshit because it removes your choice from the matter. The fact that your lovely wands all stack in charges is nice, but you weren't going to spend a recharging scroll on them anyway.
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Nov 3, 2017 17:33
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Sure, but the simple solution is the one that is going to get enacted and "remove ghosts" is much simpler than "fix ghosts in a way that makes the game easier and more flavorful", especially when the Devs don't like flavor or ease either one.
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Heithinn Grasida posted:To be fair, I was the one who started that conversation by predicting Wujian would remain in trunk for a few versions before being removed. If I recall, PF specifically was responding to a few posts in which people were blaming the devs as if it had already been removed. Of course, it turns out that it likely will be removed after all. But the people jumping right away to slamming their "The devs! People with a good sense of pattern recognition (and pessimists) are always seen as poo poo posting right up until it turns out they're right again, then the cycle repeats for the next thing they see the writing on the wall for. Maybe the devs do have a plan for WJC that isn't just gutting it and dumping it in a ditch. Maybe they've got a plan for Ghost reform that isn't just cutting ghosts. But probably not. Maybe they'll be able to resist the urge to make sure a new race gets kneecapped before release. But again, not many of us are going to take that wager based on their recent track record. The dev team operate like that back alley organ doctor in Futurama. "I take lungs now, gills come in next week". They're quick with the axe part of any given reform and then NO TIME TO FIX IT, WE'VE GOT BIG PLANS! *swings axe wildly about the room*
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Nov 6, 2017 17:27
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They could ease some of the system knowledge bar by leaving in options that let you survive more poor decision making. Ultimately, it is a single player game. They cater a lot to the hypothetical autistic man, who can only play 100% optimally, and thus any individual thing being strong to other things is seen as some kind of detriment, because "why would the HAM ever play anything else?!". I think that's most of where the "the devs think this game is too easy!" comes from, because they seem to prefer to nerf strong things down for some hypothetical balance level rather than simply accepting that strong things can be useful in your single player game.
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Nov 10, 2017 22:26
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Weren't the Tomb changes allegedly part of a larger overall, where removing stair dancing was phase 1, and then phase 2 was never planned out so gently caress it?
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Nov 12, 2017 09:00
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Internet Kraken posted:I don't think the dev responsible ever said it was intended to be part of a larger rework. Now, you might assume it would be a part of a larger rework because its such a lovely change that doesn't address the core issues that made Tomb so miserable. If everyone was resorting to the boring strategy of excessive stairdancing to clear Tomb, that's indicative of a major problem with Tomb itself. The solution there isn't to just remove the stairdancing, but rather to actually address the things that make it so miserable. The repetitive enemies, the unavoidable curses, the insane damage that can only be negated by very specific builds. Oh. I gave them too much credit. 
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Nov 12, 2017 09:30
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Lawman 0 posted:can a firestormer still eat tomb alive Alive? 
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Nov 20, 2017 02:32
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Serephina posted:See, I would never have seen it that way, and I'm sure many players are would agree; I used them to buff the wand I valued most, from invis for lowlvl stabbers to teleport/healwounds for lategame tanks. That feels like they're removing player autonomy and calling it progress. Also rods, but lol. The funnier part is that it's another section where the removal is to be complemented by changes to come in the future to balance it out. 
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Nov 20, 2017 06:51
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Crawl .21: Planned for Removal in .22
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Nov 26, 2017 22:19
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Speleothing posted:What's wrong with trog and oka? They're boring but effective Presumably the Effective part.
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Dec 11, 2017 01:57
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jerkstoresup posted:Hellmonk just popped into my game to tell me the crashing should be fixed and a patch pushed tonight. I haven't even played Hellcrawl and he still sounds like the best Crawl dev.
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Dec 14, 2017 03:16
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A true king would hide behind all his disposable mooks. That's the point of royalty, you send your dirt farming peasants out to die by the truckload so you can have a slightly fancier hat. Now if only TRJ actually got a fancier hat based on how many slimes you've killed.
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Dec 14, 2017 20:34
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tote up a bags posted:At this point the only theory that makes sense is one of the devs is a spy from a rival roguelike It is usually safer to apply Hanlon's Razor instead. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Dec 17, 2017 23:08
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Internet Kraken posted:Its idiotic that the game is changing so much that veteran players aren't enjoying it anymore. You might get beneficial mutations or you might not out of it, so it ruins the experience for the one player they care about : Hypothetical Autistic Man.
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Dec 18, 2017 01:12
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Arivia posted:If the entire game is the orb run the orb run is no longer fun Then at that point, the solution is clearly to remove the orb run.
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Dec 18, 2017 16:48
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Internet Kraken posted:Basically if I was a dev I wouldn't look at a bunch of players hating a change and think "hilarious!". Even if its a change I think the game needs, you should be making an effort to properly explain stuff so those players can still enjoy the change. Fun is sub-optimal. Only stupid babies have fun, and we sure don't want any stupid babies in our game. This is for professionals.
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Tollymain posted:wow. A rework of malmute sounds dangerously close to an addition to the game. You are on the verge of heresy!
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Pleasing Fungus usually tried to take the time to explain the reasoning behind changes to us in those situations where very clearly EVERYBODY was unhappy and mystified by an upcoming change. It seemed less like he stopped posting here because of toxicity (which may not have helped, mind you) and more that his explanations had to fall back on "It's part of a larger plan, just trust us!" and then as the versions rolled by and those plans never really got past the removal phase that he stopped showing up. It's possible PF also got tired of seeing lack of follow-through from the rest of the dev team too, and being stuck as a middleman between two sides just wasn't worth it.
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Kobold Sex Tape posted:PF went and made a real game and sold it for real money instead of doing free labor for nothing for crawl. also i call him a noob and other toxic things all the time and it's fine What game was that, out of curiosity?
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Holy poo poo, I have that sitting on my wishlist without even having looked at who made it. Good for him.
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Floodkiller posted:Replying to this specifically for specification: I am ignoring all issues related to balance or tedium with any feature reimplementation, unless it is specifically agreed upon by the thread that a feature needs to be balanced in a specific way while being reimplemented. Playtesting and thread feedback can fix that after I've got something out the door. The HAM will not be acknowledged in Gooncrawl unless the thread says it exists (which is also why I am separating myself from design input). This kills the HAM. Truly, you are a king among men. 
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Dec 19, 2017 22:11
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I made it to the end of that, and it seems fair enough. I agree with basically all of it (as a filthy casual player).
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That Pharoah still doesn't consider his handicapable undead, he should have installed elevators instead of stairs! I kid, of course. Look at all those commits in so little time. You're a madman, Floodkiller. A wonderful, amazing madman.
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cheetah7071 posted:Just make treeform a real spell and give trees regen And call the spell Treegeneration.
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Dec 26, 2017 20:24
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I don't need Floodkiller's help to make myself look like a fool. 
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Dec 28, 2017 20:25
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Works on contingency? No, money down!
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Archenteron posted:Inspired by Gooncrawl, I'm writing down ideas/pseudo-code for various crab-related ideas to attempt to code and then either throw at Floodkiller and/or Hellcrawl I contributed votes and my one lovely crab pun idea. Go, crab
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Shouldn't we be using the healing power of crystals to power our meditation instead of a generic stone?
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cheetah7071 posted:It'd be weird to have a musical instrument not generate noise. If generating noise is fine I like this flavor a lot. The Hookah of Healing then. It's all perfectly legal, it's medicinal. Optionally surrounds you with random smoke clouds while you heal up.
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