Crawl .20: Home of the Frog Dog

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Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

Poison Mushroom posted:

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For Those About To Splat

1. PoisonMushroom
2. Tollymain
3. GreyjoyBastard(?)
4. Pinechild(? Conditional?)
5.
uglyjohn
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#TEAMCAPTAIN PoisonMushroom

Our terrible team is still accepting terrible players.

I should be good for a win this time and then a lot of frustrating 15-rune attempts. Let's do this!

# ¿ Nov 3, 2016 15:34

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# ¿ Apr 26, 2024 08:18

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

Hopefully there will be a decent presence in ##gooncrawl this time around - I'll be cursing my 'luck' (*coughbaddecisionscough*) there.

EDIT: Makhlebchat time. Which do you think makes a better base for relying on Minor Destruction until getting Invo 20 as fast as possible - DsFi or DsMo? Mo gives you the ability as soon as you find an altar, but I think the skill distribution on Fi gives you a better chance to actually survive to getting there (which with DS apts isn't necessarily a given).

Ugly John fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Nov 3, 2016

# ¿ Nov 3, 2016 20:14

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

Poison Mushroom posted:

Ctrl+S, go into your RC file, and do a force_more for everything threatening.

I've only got two days left to get in a win, and I work both of them. drat. Well, Devlan got two wins for our team!

I'm glad someone has, 'cause I'm having the worst run of it :bang:

# ¿ Nov 18, 2016 15:08

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

SettingSun posted:

We've engaged the near exact same argument about the Mountain Dwarf removal (and the related stat shuffle of races like Minotaur) way back when so my stance is we'll weather this change just like that one.

Yes, we'll acknowledge that this change is bad for the game and that the game is worse off for it, get called whiny children yet again by the devteam that so graciously deigns to grace us with their presence, and nothing good will come of it.

But hey, at least this time there's one positive aspect to it: gently caress elves.

# ¿ Dec 14, 2016 21:57

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

Suggesting that someone read/join the c.r.d mailing list seems like a form of cruel and unusual punishment that ought to be unconstitutional. Then again, maybe you enjoy occasional bouts of "what can I cut/take away to feel again?", interspersed between random technical quesions/fixes.

# ¿ Dec 19, 2016 15:53

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

HateCrimeDoxNet posted:

(snip)

I don't know if all of this can be implemented in time for 0.20, though.

# ¿ Dec 19, 2016 16:53

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

LogicNinja posted:

It bugs me that they do nothing if you already have riposte. They should enhance long blades in some way, otherwise finding them on a long blade character is like, "well gently caress."

Obviously the correct answer is to remove Long Blades, since the gloves accomplish the same effect.

Then remove the gloves.

# ¿ Dec 20, 2016 21:18

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

taqueso posted:

Crawl has been getting better and better since I've been playing (since like .7), I'm inclined to trust the devs will continue to make it better.

From a technical perspective, yes. Not everything has been great. Race removals and the wand swap (not the upcoming removal) are two that stick out off the top of my head.

At this point, I probably should just fork the game into my own little private branch and start changing things to put in what I want, but I only play webtiles and not having a way to play anywhere through a browser would be a deal-breaker.

# ¿ Dec 20, 2016 21:59

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

MOVIE MAJICK posted:

Is it possible to play this without a num pad? What's the best setup for movement?

Someone will inevitably come in and tell you to use the hijuybmn keys. These people are madmen and not to be trusted.

taqueso posted:

You can run a local webtiles server real easy if you are able to build from source.

Sure, but I'm actually a weirdo who plays from multiple different locations, so I'd need to have it hosted somewhere.

I know this isn't some insurmountable task, but it's just enough of an irritation to deter me.

# ¿ Dec 21, 2016 16:31

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

dpeg posted:

I was about to say that SA coped with the removal way better than the tavern: the first posting about linked the commits, and comments have been sane. But thankfully Spidiothing comes to the rescue!

Have you thought about maybe drinking a cure mut to get rid of your abnormally thin skin?

# ¿ Dec 21, 2016 17:02

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

E Equals MC Hammer posted:

What is HOM?

Hypothetical Optimal Man, aka The Most Dangerous Man in the World from a certain perspective.

Slayer of all that is good and interesting.

# ¿ Dec 21, 2016 17:25

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

Wait, wizard and explore modes as new player teaching tools?

Can we just advocate for spoilers as an effective tool and just lean into the farmers and pigs playing cards moment?

# ¿ Dec 21, 2016 19:21

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

taqueso posted:

Similarly, my only 15-rune win was with a Fi of Oka and I had at least two times where I'm sure I would have died without a wand of healing. I guess if I had a huge stack of healing pots it would have been fine too.

Sure, but let's be honest here: the most Crawl way for this to play out is for the wand removal to go through with the 'balancing act' of more healing/tele/etc. pots to counteract, then after a short amount of time the pot increase to be removed as 'making the game too easy' (possibly at specific points, possibly in general). Someone not involved in the removal will ask if anything else needs to be looked at in the wake of this reversion. The answer will be a resounding no on the basis that just leaving in the wand removal with no balancing act is more 'interesting'. It will never be looked at again. (This isn't even a dig, just a prediction)

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.

# ¿ Dec 21, 2016 19:42

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

ChickenWing posted:

Help I'm bad at crawl so I started a GaFi and then found Spellbinder in Crazy Yiuf's hut and now I'm done Orc, Lair, Swamp, Spider, Vaults:4, am just starting depths, and am invested enough in my character that I kinda sorta want to win instead of smucking up against something dumb (like has almost happened three or four times this game so far, [ASK] me about smashing my face into the Lernean Hydra in three separate attempts).

Is there a guide somewhere on decent flows that lead to endgame? Last I played regularly all I can remember was going down until things got difficult, then Lair > Orc > Lair branch(es?) > ???????????????????????

I know that it's heavily dependent on gear etc but a general baseline wouldn't go amiss.

Add a morgue .txt to your post and it might be easier to help, FYI. I know you're looking for more general advice but maybe more specific might be more useful to you?

# ¿ Dec 21, 2016 19:50

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

IronicDongz posted:

no god that makes you worse early on, when you need god powers most, is powerful
becoming more powerful in the lategame/endgame is just a "win more" thing. you get really big stats/damage/spells in big armor with chei, but it comes at a point where it doesn't really matter that much because you would be very strong anyways.

I mean tbf when you say a god is "good", it kinda breaks down into... good at what? usually people assume you mean "maximizing winrate" but it could mean a few things

good for winrate? gods that help you a lot in the earlygame(ex:fedhas, yred, oka, trog) are the best here, because that is when the game is the most dangerous.

good for realtime speedrun? gods that help your survivability and power in a consistent way while requiring few button presses and little complexity(oka, trog) are good here, because the more buttons you press and decisions you make the more time you take.

good for turncount speedrun? ely, chei and trog are all good here via reducing turns needed to remove monsters.

good for zigs/other goofy extended powertrips? mak is real dominant here, though TSO, Veh, zin and Zin all good too.

chei's better than qaz but still fairly niche. only really "good" at turncount speedruns and even then only barely makes it into the top 10 runs there, beaten by mostly ely

This makes me want a God that has more powers the less piety you have. God only knows how that would work, though.

# ¿ Dec 21, 2016 23:50

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

Fitzy Fitz posted:

I've been splatting mummy abyssal knights like crazy for the last hour. I'll prove them all wrong.

I really wish you had been doing this as a chaos knight so I could make a joke about wading in the MuCK.

# ¿ Dec 22, 2016 20:45

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

Do slime creatures lose effects on them when they combine? Just had a pair that I'd breathed sticky flame on combine and the resulting creature wasn't on fire.

# ¿ Jan 4, 2017 22:15

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

Crawl .20: BaCK to the Future

# ¿ Jan 9, 2017 18:08

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

Eh, probably a bit much. You saw nothing.

Ugly John fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Jan 14, 2017

# ¿ Jan 14, 2017 16:08

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

Demonspawn are the ultimate bait and switch because this is totally the time that you're going to get the mutation set you want and it'll be so cool and it'll be insane and

Well, poo poo. OK, maybe I can make this work but

Dead.

OK, THIS is totally the time you'll get

Also, they're probably the best really high Invo race since for some reason every time I try to use HO for that it ends up dying quickly.

# ¿ Feb 2, 2017 05:24

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

fool_of_sound posted:

As someone returning to the game after a year or so, I'm pretty disheartened that there seems to be a fascination with removing even more options and tools from non-casters.

e: If you want to remove bloated evocables, cut back on decks imo.

Decks have been cut back on, though, and repeatedly. They're finally back to being workable for Nemelecites at least.

# ¿ Feb 7, 2017 17:00

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

PleasingFungus posted:

Ah, sorry, I lost track of the conversation!

minmay doesn't like ally play in crawl at all, so he's going to complain about anything that involves allies, summoned or otherwise. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

*waves hand* These aren't the trunk changes you're looking for...

# ¿ Feb 8, 2017 22:10

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

PleasingFungus posted:

We're planning on leaving it running until the next release, to allow responses from offline players to keep trickling in. (Trying to avoid a bias toward responses from online players, who tend to see & respond to the survey much faster.)

And yeah, we'll certainly publish the results once it's done!

trivia: quick blades can't get speed brand. they're already Quick!

also, speed brand tends to be bad on fast weapons and good on slow ones, so you wouldn't really want it anyway.

Would VS be an exception to that since it seems like you want as fast an attack speed as possible for proc bites?

# ¿ Feb 10, 2017 18:06

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

Darth Windu posted:

I had a friend ask about this game and I had to recommend they stay away. It's a drat shame the devs let things like nemelex and malmutate stay in the game but remove things people like like high elves and skalds

If someone tries to get Nem removed again I will loving cut you all

# ¿ Feb 13, 2017 02:09

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

Removing ?id and thus requiring people to either waste (sometimes rare) potions to find out what they are or risk drinking the wrong thing at the wrong time only really has the effect of making the player feel bad for no good reason. If you want to auto-id potions when picked up, then sure ( I imagine you don't).

# ¿ Feb 16, 2017 23:45

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

Fitzy Fitz posted:

Scarf of Silence!

hello floorgod my old friend
I've come to pray to you again

# ¿ Feb 24, 2017 22:18

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

In a similar vein, DrTm of Qaz going for Dragon Form.

Become the Storm Dragon.

# ¿ Mar 2, 2017 15:47

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

I can't seem to get a GrBe off the ground and it makes me want to throw a monitor through a window but of all things this GhMo of the Council is flowing like water through Lair so far and I feel awesome dancing around people slicing them up with claws.

I guess what I'm saying is the nerf is coming so enjoy it while you can

# ¿ Mar 4, 2017 15:09

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

I know it was a heavy logistical issue and such but I really miss ammo options/brands. Made ranged combat a lot more fun.

# ¿ Mar 6, 2017 18:52

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

fool_of_sound posted:

Does anyone else feel like they're not getting enough return out of the Evocations skill? Maybe it's just because I tend to build all rounders, but I always feel like any experience i put in Evocation is wasted compared to putting it in Stealth/Invocations/Magic. Wands do their job up through Lair without any experience, and after that I rarely use the things, outside of Digging or the new Clouds.

With as much stuff as has been removed, this doesn't surprise me that much.

# ¿ Mar 11, 2017 04:32

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

Araganzar posted:

After that post I found a consumable in my inventory that allowed for a possibility of survival. See if you can guess what it was....

Still in trouble - no heals, no fear, no blinks, had to buy a used teleport wand and recharge it to have tport - but I got that drat rune!

invis?

# ¿ May 24, 2017 16:24

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

Floodkiller posted:

No problem!

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Deep Elf State

1. Floodkiller
2. jerkstoresup (jerkstore)
3. Wolfechu
4. IronicDongz (Shard1697)
5. Can Of Worms (wormsofcant)
6. uglyjohn

# TEAMCAPTAIN Floodkiller

Still have one more spot if anyone is interested.

I'll join up, if you don't mind. I should hopefully be good for one win this go-round, and a bunch of aborted attempts at a 15.

Tournament crawl is still best crawl (and I'm pretty sure where my only wins have come from)

# ¿ May 25, 2017 18:00

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

Floodkiller posted:

Just checked my rcfile to make sure it wasn't a problem on my end, and it looks fine to me:
code:
# TEAMNAME Deep_Elf_State
# TEAMMEMBERS jerkstore Wolfechu Shard1697 wormsofcant uglyjohn
Is your line at the very top of your rcfile, and do you have any junk in your rcfile on a superseding server? (CAO, CBRO, CDO, CJR, CPO, CUE, CWZ, CXC, LLD is the order) If not, my last guess is just that it hasn't updated yet for some reason.

Ugly John, are you having the same issue?

Yeah, I'm not sure what's going on with it - don't play on any other active server, and the rcfile's set. Figured it was just because of the cbro issues yesterday.

# ¿ May 27, 2017 12:44

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

Well, if nothing else, this tournament has reinforced just how much I suck at this game. Came even seem to get multiple runes with the way combos ><

Welp. More bashing into the wall tomorrow.

# ¿ Jun 2, 2017 04:44

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

This is far from the last nerf.

# ¿ Oct 13, 2017 22:58

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

Drunk Theory posted:

So I haven't touched this game since like early 2016. Catching up with the thread I see a lot of unhappy players. I'd like to pop into the game for a week or two until I get bored then shelve it for another year or so. Which version # would the thread recommend? (I'd prefer a tiles non-online version, but I'm open for other suggestions)

Try the new Gnolls in the current trunk before they get beaten down. They're the thing keeping the game interesting for me at the moment, even if I still suck with them.

# ¿ Nov 10, 2017 19:36

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

IronicDongz posted:

if you can't deal with a little cum you're not a real crawl fan

New thread title.

# ¿ Dec 5, 2017 20:55

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

All of this has actually convinced me to pull the trigger on something I've been idly wondering: start with the version of Crawl I first started playing (0.5.1 way back when), and apply only the things I like from each patch going forward to current. I'm expecting a sort of beautiful, disjointed mess.

# ¿ Dec 20, 2017 00:25

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

Random mutation idea: Magnetic Antipathy - When an enemy in LOS moves towards you, it (sometimes/frequently/always) teleports right next to you instead.

Seems like it would be an interestingly mixed bag (more beneficial for melee on the whole, but also makes it harder for them to break LOS on things like smiters)

random idea2: Distortion Nexus - Player has a (rare/occasional/frequent) chance to teleport/blink all enemies in LOS to a random location that is still in LOS. Sort of a reverse Teleportitis (of the old kind).

Ugly John fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Dec 20, 2017

# ¿ Dec 20, 2017 18:56

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# ¿ Apr 26, 2024 08:18

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

Random idea I had for a new DS-level mutation (I thought it was interesting):

Magical Conduit - Gives a chance to cast a random damaging or debuffing (if valid) spell at an enemy in range (could be as if cast from the PC or smite-targetted). Power level ceiling (random from 1-ceiling) and available spells dependent on rank of the mutation. Spell cast not always guaranteed to be effective against the target (doesn't take into account resistances or immunities).

# ¿ Dec 26, 2017 22:02

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