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Pootybutt posted:Cuz we've heard that tired song and dance before. When? Please point this out to me when economic and racial change were both promised and only economic change did. The 60's with LBJ? Because that was the last time you had both promised. And they both delivered astoundingly. kaleedity posted:you mean from obama right Perfect. Pootybutt posted:I mean from everyone. Please, bestow me with your knowledge of these economic and racial leftists who once are in office only show results for the economic side while ignoring the racial. I'm a minority myself and I can't recall anyone. sean10mm posted:Anybody who is a Hillary supporter now is irrelevant because politically she's dead, and her approach to the campaign will be a textbook example of failure forever. Anyone attached to it is going to be treated like they're radioactive. She's deader politically than fuckin' Michael Dukakis was in 1989. The silver lining to all this is that maybe MAYBE the third wayist reach out the aisle to the otherside bullshit that I and several other leftists have been calling out for years is finally proven to be poo poo. punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Did you see the part about phasing out? Everyone over ~40 will have it well, fortunately everyone under 40 already is pretty down with socialism, so if they take away medicare its not unreasonable to think that once we're the old regular voters we'll put in something better. like single payer.
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RaySmuckles posted:well, fortunately everyone under 40 already is pretty down with socialism, so if they take away medicare its not unreasonable to think that once we're the old regular voters we'll put in something better. like single payer. Yea it's very unreasonable, medicare is the best you're going to get in your lifetime. Sorry to poo poo in your cheerios, but reality is a stern mistress.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Here comes the populist reforms we've been hearing so much about. Frankly, I am starting to understand how the Republican party really speaks to us about economic issues and security. This is a joke right.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:If you think about it the Republicans have a strong plan for economic stability. Make it too expensive and stressful to get old, people will either die without medical care or kill themselves. More jobs for the young and middle-aged able midwestern blue collar chap. I might be onboard with Ryan's death clock plan if we could watch the boomers go first.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Yea it's very unreasonable, medicare is the best you're going to get in your lifetime. Sorry to poo poo in your cheerios, but reality is a stern mistress. i disagree. we already have popular national politicians advocating single payer. millenials are down with socialism. just because the republicans have won today doesn't mean they'll win forever.
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RaySmuckles posted:i disagree. we already have popular national politicians advocating single payer. millenials are down with socialism. just because the republicans have won today doesn't mean they'll win forever. I really want to hope this is true. God knows I used to be an economically conservative Republican and now I feel like I'm way left of the Dems.
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RaySmuckles posted:i disagree. we already have popular national politicians advocating single payer. millenials are down with socialism. just because the republicans have won today doesn't mean they'll win forever. My only worry is that we won't get a chance before Trump institutes a Putin-style autocratic fake-democracy government with his kids taking over for him when he dies. (I realize that's an out-there apocalyptic scenario, but the Supreme Court is all that would stand in his way right now if he tried, and that goes away the moment either RBG or Kennedy dies.) If Democrats take the opportunity to retool as an actual progressive party and actually get an opportunity to win again, then we have hope.
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PT6A posted:You know another thing that's terrible about this election? The dawning realization that I have to have at least some kind of respect for David Frum. Dude, I'm having to eat crow lovingly prepared by MRA shitlord Scott Adams. It makes me want to shave my skin off with a cheese grater and then go roll in a salt mine. I wanted to start a thread about how to deal with the shock of this and finding ways to get engaged/active to at least try and stem the tide, but it seems I can't.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Here comes the populist reforms we've been hearing so much about. Frankly, I am starting to understand how the Republican party really speaks to us about economic issues and security. The blowback from this will be insane. Literally nobody on either side of the isle outside of the donor/political class wants this. Mantis42 posted:Now the old fucks will be forced to support single payer. Or literally die. I am OK with this political strategy.
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Sephyr posted:Dude, I'm having to eat crow lovingly prepared by MRA shitlord Scott Adams. It makes me want to shave my skin off with a cheese grater and then go roll in a salt mine. We have many nice threads in CSPAM
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Harrow posted:My only worry is that we won't get a chance before Trump institutes a Putin-style autocratic fake-democracy government with his kids taking over for him when he dies. (I realize that's an out-there apocalyptic scenario, but the Supreme Court is all that would stand in his way right now if he tried, and that goes away the moment either RBG or Kennedy dies.) You're actually retarded.
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punk rebel ecks posted:When? Please point this out to me when economic and racial change were both promised and only economic change did. Ooh, so close. Sooooo close to getting it
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Here comes the populist reforms we've been hearing so much about. Frankly, I am starting to understand how the Republican party really speaks to us about economic issues and security. gently caress yeah, I hope they try it. This same thing is what marked the beginning of the end of the Bush-era GOP.
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readingatwork posted:The blowback from this will be insane. Literally nobody on either side of the isle outside of the donor/political class wants this. Didn't they try this same strategy with social security under Bush, only to discover that old people had children and grand children that they didn't want to see hosed over?
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Harrow posted:My only worry is that we won't get a chance before Trump institutes a Putin-style autocratic fake-democracy government with his kids taking over for him when he dies. (I realize that's an out-there apocalyptic scenario, but the Supreme Court is all that would stand in his way right now if he tried, and that goes away the moment either RBG or Kennedy dies.) dude he's not going to get a "lol, gently caress democracy" judge onto the supreme court. that's crazy. even if its ALL conservative they wouldn't do that. despite what we think of conservatives, they've been in power before and the liberals are the only people to have a 4 (5?) term president. the dems have to radically change if they hope to have a future. so many people are distracted by social issues as the absolute priority (its A priority, not THE priority), no one wants to admit that hillary's platform was wrong and bad (as a campaign platform designed to win votes), and a lot of people are downplaying the results as a close percentage instead of the democrats losing millions of former voters in an attempt to pave the way for business as usual. IF the dems can really change, then we'll have hope for the future. if they remain republican-lite, we're hosed. it'll be very hard to make this change because the Dems love corporate money more than they love their electorate
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Skinty McEdger posted:Didn't they try this same strategy with social security under Bush, only to discover that old people had children and grand children that they didn't want to see hosed over? Yup!
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Pootybutt posted:Ooh, so close. Sooooo close to getting it Turn your monitor on. Things got better for everyone in the 60s. We weren't even a real democracy until the 60s.
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Kobach is leading Trump's immigration team now. So we have one of the biggest climate deniers in charge of climate policies and one of the biggest opponents to immigration reform leading immigration. You people were warned, but apparently the Dems "don't stand for anything." You'll learn.
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RaySmuckles posted:dude he's not going to get a "lol, gently caress democracy" judge onto the supreme court. that's crazy. even if its ALL conservative they wouldn't do that. despite what we think of conservatives, they've been in power before and the liberals are the only people to have a 4 (5?) term president. This this this. As long as Trump puts actual jurists on the Supreme Court they aren't going to let him become an autocrat. And even the GOP wouldn't confirm non-jurists.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Kobach is leading Trump's immigration team now. So we have one of the biggest climate deniers in charge of climate policies and one of the biggest opponents to immigration reform leading immigration. Sorry, still don't regret my Stein vote. *flips bird*
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RaySmuckles posted:dude he's not going to get a "lol, gently caress democracy" judge onto the supreme court. that's crazy. even if its ALL conservative they wouldn't do that. despite what we think of conservatives, they've been in power before and the liberals are the only people to have a 4 (5?) term president. I admire your optimism about Congressional Republicans and I wish I could share it. You're 100% right about the Democrats, though.
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readingatwork posted:Sorry, still don't regret my Stein vote. Cool, enjoy your education, your formal learning, open your mind and embrace the knowledge
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readingatwork posted:Sorry, still don't regret my Stein vote. Edited to reflect likely truth.
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PT6A posted:Edited to reflect likely truth. I don't see what my fetishes have to do with anything.
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flashman posted:Clinton was a turd who couldn't get the turnout required to beat someone who had shittier numbers than Romney who lost in a landslide, to a black man, yet racism won the day.. Yeah it's Clinton's fault a lot of so called progressives couldn't be bothered to cast a vote against a social backslide of several decades. The people who chose not to vote against Trump bear no responsibility.
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The Kingfish posted:Turn your monitor on. Things got better for everyone in the 60s. We weren't even a real democracy until the 60s. Yeah, everything's been real fuckin peachy for us. lololo Something about trying to predict the particulars of a trump presidency seems awfully silly rn.
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The problem I'm having with the protesters is this. Where was this anger and energy during the midterms, primaries and other political events? Could have accomplished so much by getting rid of the horrible faux democrats out of the party if people would have had this angry then. Also, what's your message outside of being pissed that Trump won? No one likes Trump, that includes us, but exactly WHAT are you protesting? When people protested Vietnam, when they protested in the 60's with Dr. King...they had a message, and a goal of something they wanted to accomplish. When the loving TEA PARTY protested...they even had ideas. Horrible ideas, but ideas none the less. 'WELL IT'S AGAINST BIGOTRY". Okay? I mean that's just a broad topic, it doesn't address anything, it's just RAGE. It doesn't change anything. Get some ideas, and demand change. You say he';s "NOT YOUR PRESIDENT", but he is, and he's a public servant. Demand that he keeps healthcare, Demand that he pushes some form of immigration reform. Whatever you may want. Vote in midterms. Vote in local elections. Vote in 2020 for an actual PROGRESSIVE that actually delivers on issues that are near and ear to us. Because if you don't? That's all you're going to be is an angry mob.
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The Kingfish posted:Turn your monitor on. Things got better for everyone in the 60s. We weren't even a real democracy until the 60s. As someone who's family came here prior the '60s, had some of them kicked outfrom housing due to skin color, and had a bunch of other poo poo, these establishment types are really pissing me off of what they think speaks for minorities and what they want. Are economics the only problem? No. But is it a huge one that most minorities want? Yes. Is it one that stops other forms of progression for social and racial justice? No. It usually goes hand in hand actually. But apparently poor whites want economics too, so if they like something it's bad because then we'll want them in our part and they'll force us to abandon minority rights and stuff. You know, just like with Obama. Good thing when Hillary lost them she got a huge bump with minorities! punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Skinty McEdger posted:Didn't they try this same strategy with social security under Bush, only to discover that old people had children and grand children that they didn't want to see hosed over?
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chumbler posted:Yeah it's Clinton's fault a lot of so called progressives couldn't be bothered to cast a vote against a social backslide of several decades. The people who chose not to vote against Trump bear no responsibility. Clinton was just a slower backslide which is why so many people hated her and she ultimately lost. If it was really that important then maybe the DNC should have rigged the primary in favor of a better candidate.
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chumbler posted:Yeah it's Clinton's fault a lot of so called progressives couldn't be bothered to cast a vote against a social backslide of several decades. The people who chose not to vote against Trump bear no responsibility. I think I've said this a dozen times but jesus clinton ran a poo poo campaign and that hurt her. Blaming progressives for not getting overly enthused about a neoliberal war hawk is stupid and won't fix anything in the future.
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Just as a hypothetical that I seriously hope doesn't happen and hope we don't hear from the secret service on but what happens should someone use one of Mr. Trump's "second amendment solutions" on him and Pence between now and January? I know nothing good can come of it, but I can't help but be morbidly curious. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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