GiP Election Thread: The Trail of Tears

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ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

I would like to sum up the election with this ;

Thanks Obama.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 05:53

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# ? Apr 25, 2024 04:57

Dead Reckoning: Sep 13, 2011

milk milk lemonade posted:

Yah, no, the republicans are culpable you South Park libertarian

That dog don't hunt anymore. For too long, Democrats have been counting on "but Republicans are worse!" to deliver voters. Objectively, it's true. But realistically, Hillary didn't give a single gently caress about the people in the rust belt or coal country except as a means to an end. People voted for Obama for hope & change, and their lives have not measurably improved in his 8 years in office. Blame Republican obstruction if you want, he had a majority in Congress for his first two years. "You didn't give us enough power to do the job." Fine, what was on the table, exactly? Job re-training that was supposed to make up for jobs lost overseas never materialized after NAFTA or Bill Clinton favoring trade with China. Rein in Wall Street? Kind of a hard sell when the candidate the Democrats picked was giving closed door speeches to investment bankers about how the recession wasn't all their fault. The economy is expanding when you look at the DJI, but individual purchasing power has not kept up.

"Least worst" isn't going to put people in the booth on election day.

The scary thing is, there may be nothing that can be done for low skilled labor. Jobs aren't coming back, and things will never be the same for them as they were for their parents and grandparents, and are likely going to be measurably worse for their children. They're part of an increasingly large group of superfluous people in the first world western democracies who consume resources but have nothing to contribute to a society where manufacturing can be done with fewer and fewer people and information technology is displacing any job based on specialized knowledge or pattern recognition. Like mine. But you need to offer them something. A way to feed their families, and not die of disease, and live with a little dignity in their own homes. "Your way of life is hosed, bro. Anyway, vote for me and I'll totally bring new jobs, after I get rid of the last vestiges of your old ones. Promise, this time." People who voted for Trump didn't give a poo poo about his scandals, his unsuitability in foreign affairs, his racism, or any of the other poo poo that should have sunk him. He promised to give them their lives back. It isn't true. He can't. But Clinton's counter-offer was "more of the same," and that hadn't been working.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 05:55

Genocide Tendency: Dec 24, 2009; I get mental health care from the medical equivalent of Skillcraft.

Vasudus posted:

until the new and improved trump-brand DEA comes in and says 'lol no'

remember that the islamic shock himself had to rule by decree and tell the DEA to stop loving around with medical MJ

Not so fast.

I have been working on this all day since Florida's medical weed amendment passed.

The one thing the GoP has been trying to do for decades is strip away federal power and leave it to the states. If they gently caress up, which given the GoP and their love of not thinking poo poo through (like Mike Pence's religious freedom laws being used by muslim prison inmates to sue and win discrimination cases) when they gut the power of the DEA and ATF, all the state weed laws take over. Also, if the banks get their hands on the weed business and bring it into the banking industry instead of all cash, its going to take about 2 seconds for them to unload a dump truck full of ~~bribe money~~ lobby encouragement on to Trump's desk in the oval office. And keep in mind the people who put him into office are low income, poorly educated rural whites. Weed is real popular with them.

Weed laws actually may be in much better shape than they would have been under Clinton.

I hope.

:ohdear:

# ? Nov 10, 2016 05:56

Best Friends: Nov 4, 2011

Republican belief in states rights has never extended to gays, weed, socialized healthcare, really anything at all outside their narrow range of chosen social wedges. They may well gut the ATF but the DEA are the good guys to them and need more power to peek into everyone's lives.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 06:22

bij: Feb 24, 2007

The libertarian states rights poo poo ends with anything that might offend the godbotherer busybody bloc which is loving frustrating.

Basically I hope it hurt A LOT when Jerry Falwell's bloated rear end keeled over.

Scalia too.

Only comeuppance those fucks will get.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 06:27

Nostalgia4Butts: Jun 1, 2006; WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

so i just looked up the MA law. Weed is legal as of 12/15 this year, but no shops are opening until 2018

also the only reason the GOP took back the senate this election was Trump. McConnell knows this. Ryan knows this. The kowtowing that's already occurring from them is going to be a sign of how it's going to go.

Also the fact that they will vote to take away filibustering.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 06:38

PookBear: Nov 1, 2008

Should we pass laws that prevent jobs from being replaced by robots? Should things like self driving ubers be legal?

# ? Nov 10, 2016 06:42

Duzzy Funlop: Jan 13, 2010; Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

I just read Hillary's concession statement on Facebook, and I'm still kinda in disbelief.

poo poo's kinda unreal.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 06:46

brand engager: Mar 23, 2011

Uber already isn't legal in a bunch of places.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 06:48

Dingleberry: Aug 21, 2011

# ? Nov 10, 2016 06:53

Third World Reagan: May 19, 2008; Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.

Reverand maynard posted:

Should we pass laws that prevent jobs from being replaced by robots? Should things like self driving ubers be legal?

No but we should offer technician vocation schooling to anyone that is displaced by said robot jobs to fix robots.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 07:32

Suicide Watch: Sep 8, 2009

If someone made a drink right now called Liberal Tears� it'd sell so well.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 07:35

Naked Bear: Apr 15, 2007; Boners was recorded before a studio audience that was alive!

Suicide Watch posted:

If someone made a drink right now called Liberal Tears� it'd sell so well.

Sorry, no can do: it's already the name of a lubricant.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 07:49

shyduck: Oct 3, 2003

Bacon-scented gun lubricant might be the most American thing ever.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 07:52

Firstkind: Apr 10, 2015; by 2017 exmarx

VikingSkull posted:

at the very least, we're entering some type of new golden age of comedy

Unless there is a war.

At the very least one of you fucks in here is gonna be his ISIS solution. How well do you think an egomaniac easily provoked president is going to perform with the worlds largest military at his command? After a month in office a lot of comedy is gonna stop. Hell at least our chances of destroying North Korea are much higher with Trump. When Kim runs his mouth at the US when we got a potential madman at the red button it's gonna be a literal blast.

Have fun at work guys with years left in their contracts.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 09:27

orange juche: Mar 14, 2012

MurderBot posted:

I dunno about you guys but I've always enjoyed orchestra type music, from the classical to whatever they play on NPR these days.

I found this one that's Super Mario RPG's Legend of the 7 Stars orchestra. This poo poo made me happy so if any of you are 30+ year old nerds and remember this game here you go and hopefully it cheers you up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQtZOIznCPc

if not then SMDFTB fgt *no offense N4I*

Old post but all of my nostalgia feels, jesus.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 09:48

milk milk lemonade: Jul 29, 2016

Dead Reckoning posted:

That dog don't hunt anymore. For too long, Democrats have been counting on "but Republicans are worse!" to deliver voters. Objectively, it's true. But realistically, Hillary didn't give a single gently caress about the people in the rust belt or coal country except as a means to an end. People voted for Obama for hope & change, and their lives have not measurably improved in his 8 years in office. Blame Republican obstruction if you want, he had a majority in Congress for his first two years. "You didn't give us enough power to do the job." Fine, what was on the table, exactly? Job re-training that was supposed to make up for jobs lost overseas never materialized after NAFTA or Bill Clinton favoring trade with China. Rein in Wall Street? Kind of a hard sell when the candidate the Democrats picked was giving closed door speeches to investment bankers about how the recession wasn't all their fault. The economy is expanding when you look at the DJI, but individual purchasing power has not kept up.

"Least worst" isn't going to put people in the booth on election day.

The scary thing is, there may be nothing that can be done for low skilled labor. Jobs aren't coming back, and things will never be the same for them as they were for their parents and grandparents, and are likely going to be measurably worse for their children. They're part of an increasingly large group of superfluous people in the first world western democracies who consume resources but have nothing to contribute to a society where manufacturing can be done with fewer and fewer people and information technology is displacing any job based on specialized knowledge or pattern recognition. Like mine. But you need to offer them something. A way to feed their families, and not die of disease, and live with a little dignity in their own homes. "Your way of life is hosed, bro. Anyway, vote for me and I'll totally bring new jobs, after I get rid of the last vestiges of your old ones. Promise, this time." People who voted for Trump didn't give a poo poo about his scandals, his unsuitability in foreign affairs, his racism, or any of the other poo poo that should have sunk him. He promised to give them their lives back. It isn't true. He can't. But Clinton's counter-offer was "more of the same," and that hadn't been working.

Why does that have to do with a false equivalency wrt infrastructure spending?

# ? Nov 10, 2016 12:18

Nostalgia4Infinity: Feb 27, 2007; 10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING

holocaust bloopers posted:

Goddamn guys I honest to God thought the hate for Clinton was just a thing that had no real merit.

She is no poo poo hated upon by a lot.

Right candidate wrong election is my take away.

I really wish I could make that Keepin it 1600 podcast required listening.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 13:04

Seizure Meat: Jul 23, 2008; by Smythe

Firstkind posted:

Unless there is a war.

At the very least one of you fucks in here is gonna be his ISIS solution. How well do you think an egomaniac easily provoked president is going to perform with the worlds largest military at his command? After a month in office a lot of comedy is gonna stop. Hell at least our chances of destroying North Korea are much higher with Trump. When Kim runs his mouth at the US when we got a potential madman at the red button it's gonna be a literal blast.

Have fun at work guys with years left in their contracts.

the chickenhawk lost hth

milk milk lemonade posted:

Why does that have to do with a false equivalency wrt infrastructure spending?

sooner or later you'll get that no one cares about what the Republicans or Democrats used to do, this election was solely about "gently caress you guys here's a brick"

so you can keep saying "but the other side did THIS!" and a whole bunch of people are gonna say "gently caress off"

Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Nov 10, 2016

# ? Nov 10, 2016 13:33

boop the snoot: Jun 3, 2016

Well... I assumed Clinton would win because yeah she sucks but trump is worse.

I think it's time to reevaluate for the entire democratic party because 90% of the people I know assumed the exact same thing I did.

What I would like to see in four years regardless of who is running or who wins is something like 55-60% voter turnout. America likes to tout itself as the best democracy in the world but lmao we really suck at it statistically.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 14:36

Seizure Meat: Jul 23, 2008; by Smythe

Michael Moore had a good take

quote:

Morning After To-Do List:
1. Take over the Democratic Party and return it to the people. They have failed us miserably.
2. Fire all pundits, predictors, pollsters and anyone else in the media who had a narrative they wouldn't let go of and refused to listen to or acknowledge what was really going on. Those same bloviators will now tell us we must "heal the divide" and "come together." They will pull more hooey like that out of their rear end in the days to come. Turn them off.
3. Any Democratic member of Congress who didn't wake up this morning ready to fight, resist and obstruct in the way Republicans did against President Obama every day for eight full years must step out of the way and let those of us who know the score lead the way in stopping the meanness and the madness that's about to begin.
4. Everyone must stop saying they are "stunned" and "shocked". What you mean to say is that you were in a bubble and weren't paying attention to your fellow Americans and their despair. YEARS of being neglected by both parties, the anger and the need for revenge against the system only grew. Along came a TV star they liked whose plan was to destroy both parties and tell them all "You're fired!" Trump's victory is no surprise. He was never a joke. Treating him as one only strengthened him. He is both a creature and a creation of the media and the media will never own that.
5. You must say this sentence to everyone you meet today: "HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE!" The MAJORITY of our fellow Americans preferred Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. Period. Fact. If you woke up this morning thinking you live in an effed-up country, you don't. The majority of your fellow Americans wanted Hillary, not Trump. The only reason he's president is because of an arcane, insane 18th-century idea called the Electoral College. Until we change that, we'll continue to have presidents we didn't elect and didn't want. You live in a country where a majority of its citizens have said they believe there's climate change, they believe women should be paid the same as men, they want a debt-free college education, they don't want us invading countries, they want a raise in the minimum wage and they want a single-payer true universal health care system. None of that has changed. We live in a country where the majority agree with the "liberal" position. We just lack the liberal leadership to make that happen (see: #1 above).

Let's try to get this all done by noon today.
-- Michael Moore

# ? Nov 10, 2016 14:36

Third World Reagan: May 19, 2008; Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.

So something that came up in Maine during this election.

https://ballotpedia.org/Maine_Ranked_Choice_Voting_Initiative,_Question_5_(2016)

They voted for instant run off voting and it passed.

Also ballotpedia is dumb and saying more people voted than live in maine or actually voted.

So instant run off voting lets them put candidates in a numbered list and after a the first round of counting, the lowest performing candidate gets removed and they do another round of counting until there are two left and one wins.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 14:37

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; c-spam cannot afford

TBeats posted:

Well... I assumed Clinton would win because yeah she sucks but trump is worse.

I think it's time to reevaluate for the entire democratic party because 90% of the people I know assumed the exact same thing I did.

What I would like to see in four years regardless of who is running or who wins is something like 55-60% voter turnout. America likes to tout itself as the best democracy in the world but lmao we really suck at it statistically.

We had ~~53.1%~~55.6% voter turnout this year.

Edited with updated numbers.

Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Nov 10, 2016

# ? Nov 10, 2016 14:40

boop the snoot: Jun 3, 2016

Mr. Nice! posted:

We had 53.1% voter turnout this year.

AP reported 49.6%

Regardless, 53% is low and I only says 55 because I just want improvement. If like 70% of voters voted that would rule.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 14:44

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; c-spam cannot afford

TBeats posted:

AP reported 49.6%

That's wrong and lower than any other source I've seen. Got a link?

According to everything I've seen turnout was around 55% of the voting population.

http://www.electproject.org/2016g

Typically 55-60% already vote in presidential elections. You gotta remember that everyone in the country isn't eligible to vote.

Trump only received a total of 25% of eligible voter's votes and around 19% of the total population of the country.

Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Nov 10, 2016

# ? Nov 10, 2016 14:48

Booblord Zagats: Oct 30, 2011; Pork Pro

Ever notice that the moment the democrats lose they want to start purges to their party while when the republican lose they want to purge the democrats, too?

# ? Nov 10, 2016 15:09

Third World Reagan: May 19, 2008; Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.

Mr. Nice! posted:

That's wrong and lower than any other source I've seen. Got a link?

According to everything I've seen turnout was around 55% of the voting population.

http://www.electproject.org/2016g

Typically 55-60% already vote in presidential elections. You gotta remember that everyone in the country isn't eligible to vote.

Trump only received a total of 25% of eligible voter's votes and around 19% of the total population of the country.

This is my favorite bit since an even smaller number voted in the primaries. When people say that their vote doesn't matter, it really does if you get in early enough.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 15:14

Wasabi the J: Jan 23, 2008; MOM WAS RIGHT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PUtvNUSpHw

# ? Nov 10, 2016 15:14

Third World Reagan: May 19, 2008; Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.

cspam owns

Elephant Ambush posted:

Please tell me how everyone secretly knew she was a bad candidate before election night. Because literally nobody was posting that until Wednesday morning when all of a sudden we had this massive influx of i-told-ya-sos who were conspicuously quiet for the last year.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 15:37

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; c-spam cannot afford

Third World Reggin posted:

This is my favorite bit since an even smaller number voted in the primaries. When people say that their vote doesn't matter, it really does if you get in early enough.

I know a ton of people here in Florida that despite my insistence still did not vote or voted stein/johnson. Clinton lost by 120,000 votes. There were 260k third party votes cast.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 15:48

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Third World Reggin posted:

cspam owns

I'm pretty sure her being a poo poo candidate especially compared to Biden was very common refrain here at least.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 15:53

Third World Reagan: May 19, 2008; Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.

secret socialist

# ? Nov 10, 2016 16:02

Booblord Zagats: Oct 30, 2011; Pork Pro

Third World Reggin posted:

cspam owns

You could argue it's because some of the mods there had a nasty habit of running people out, prob'ing and banning people who were saying that

# ? Nov 10, 2016 16:04

Richard Bong: Dec 11, 2008

Third World Reggin posted:

cspam owns

No, there was a lot of that but it was shouted down by "lol shut up bernout berniebro."

Anyone daring to say she was unlikable in the CE thread was poo poo on pretty hard since the primaries.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 16:08

Seizure Meat: Jul 23, 2008; by Smythe

MazelTovCocktail posted:

I'm pretty sure her being a poo poo candidate especially compared to Biden was very common refrain here at least.

I know I said it in the CE thread but loving lol how that turned out

# ? Nov 10, 2016 16:10

Proud Christian Mom: Dec 20, 2006; READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

yeah plenty of people pointed it out here but DnD went full echo chamber mode on her and its quickly returning to that about her. nothing was learned. Hillary 2020, she won't take no for an answer!

# ? Nov 10, 2016 16:51

Torrannor: Apr 27, 2013; ---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE

Proud Christian Mom posted:

yeah plenty of people pointed it out here but DnD went full echo chamber mode on her and its quickly returning to that about her. nothing was learned. Hillary 2020, she won't take no for an answer!

I would bet money that Hillary won't be the Democratic nominee in 2020.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 16:51