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The title sums it up. Trump vowed to do all sorts of things, but those would all happen at the Federal level. So Obama can just blanket pardon her right?
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That would require him to know what exactly Hillary will be charged with, and even though I'm sure Trump has an answer for that it will probably go nowhere, leading him to try another talking point, then another, repeat forever
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Nov 9, 2016 17:35
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If Trump has Hillary prosecuted the next Democratic president will do the same to him. Once that Pandora's box is open, well...
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Nov 9, 2016 17:41
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Wistful of Dollars posted:If Trump has Hillary prosecuted the next Democratic president will do the same to him. If that box opens, there will be no Democratic president. That's it. There is no such thing as Republican restraint or MAD anymore. They're a suicide cult that worships at the alters of Ayn Rand and N.B. Forrest.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:21
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DarklyDreaming posted:That would require him to know what exactly Hillary will be charged with, and even though I'm sure Trump has an answer for that it will probably go nowhere, leading him to try another talking point, then another, repeat forever Ford issued a blanket pardon for Nixon (and paid for it). However, I think Obama would not want to do anything like this, and Clinton would not accept it even if offered, because she didn't actually commit a crime. I think Clinton at this point would actually welcome the opportunity of becoming politically martyred by Trump. I think she cares too much about America to use something like a pardon to slink away.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:27
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Antti posted:Ford issued a blanket pardon for Nixon (and paid for it). Considering the demands of his followers, and his choice of Guliani as his AG, this might be more accurate.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:28
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On the other hand, Trump might blanch at following through given what the NY establishment might do to him. It's a pretty forlorn hope to depend on his vanity and ego, but they're the constants here.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:55
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Trump will not lock her up any more than we'll see construction on a glorious wall on the Mexican border. It's all hot air.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:57
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935 posted:Trump will not lock her up any more than we'll see construction on a glorious wall on the Mexican border. It's all hot air. And if Trump is too stupid to know that?
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Nov 9, 2016 19:02
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Obama cares about his legacy. He's come out of this with high approval ratings which will only rise as the Trumpapocalypse progresses and the left eats itself. He's not going to risk being "that guy who pardoned his predecessor" in the history books.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:36
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Pardon Hillary for what crime, exactly?
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Nov 9, 2016 19:41
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Being a woman in politics.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:07
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Main Paineframe posted:Obama cares about his legacy. He's come out of this with high approval ratings which will only rise as the Trumpapocalypse progresses and the left eats itself. He's not going to risk being "that guy who pardoned his predecessor" in the history books. Hillary is not his predecessor.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:10
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Mozi posted:Pardon Hillary for what crime, exactly? Being irresponsible for e-mails which is tantamount to high treason in the minds of Trumps supporters.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:12
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SSNeoman posted:Being irresponsible for e-mails which is tantamount to high treason in the minds of Trumps supporters. They only pretend to care about that and Benghazi. It gives them a convenient excuse to pretend that the reason isn't spite and racism.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:49
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SSNeoman posted:Being irresponsible for e-mails which is tantamount to high treason in the minds of Trumps supporters. Yes but she didn't commit a crime, so it's not something Obama could pardon her for.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:51
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He can't pardon her for whatever trumped-up charges Trump is going to throw at her, because he doesn't know what they will be.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:52
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Trump won't do poo poo about Hillary just as he won't do poo poo about almost any campaign promise to any real extent. He's a lazy fuckwit regarding anything but showmanship.
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Nov 24, 2016 13:59
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Missing some Fwd: Fwd: Fwd:s and it needs to be in ALL CAPS. I hesitate to say something like "it's unnecessary because It's not going to happen, he's all talk", but as this year has proven, well...
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Nov 24, 2016 16:03
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The best part about the threat to prosecute Hilary is that when Trump announced he wouldn't do so, he said it was because didn't want her to suffer rather than because he didn't believe she was guilty. He talks like a king granting mercy or delivering punishment at his own discretion rather than an elected official bound by laws. In fact the next four years are going to bring us a lot of reminders that when Washington, Hamilton, Madison and the rest designed the current constitution they very consciously modeled the office of the presidency on the British monarch, creating what amounted to an elected emperor. Trump is gonna fill that role much more appropriately than some nerd like Obama.
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Nov 24, 2016 16:28
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Helsing posted:The best part about the threat to prosecute Hilary is that when Trump announced he wouldn't do so, he said it was because didn't want her to suffer rather than because he didn't believe she was guilty. He talks like a king granting mercy or delivering punishment at his own discretion rather than an elected official bound by laws. Lol, like that kind of thing doesn't happen in politics all the time. It's just rhetoric and words. Funny you're not critizing Hillary for actually breaking the law as an elected official. That's what this is about. Hillary breaking the law by using a private email server for government emails. But no, you whine about Trump's choice of words concerning her prosecution. Where he is saying he doesn't want her to suffer. That's a lot more sympathetic than what Clinton has been doing to people, like in Libya. But who cares about that, everything Trump says or does is wrong because the media said so. Stockholm Syndrome fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Nov 24, 2016 |
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Nov 24, 2016 16:57
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SSNeoman posted:Being irresponsible for e-mails which is tantamount to high treason in the minds of Trumps supporters. While being a Democrat. Trump's email server was still publicly accessible and running out of date software last I knew.
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Nov 24, 2016 17:00
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Stockholm Syndrome posted:Lol, like that kind of thing doesn't happen in politics all the time. It's just rhetoric and words. Funny you're not critizing Hillary for actually breaking the law as an elected official. That's what this is about. Hillary breaking the law by using a private email server for government emails. But no, you whine about Trump's choice of words concerning her prosecution. Where he is saying he doesn't want her to suffer. That's a lot more sympathetic than what Clinton has been doing to people, like in Libya. But who cares about that, everything Trump says or does is wrong because the media said so. B- for effort.
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Nov 24, 2016 17:06
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Stockholm Syndrome posted:Lol, like that kind of thing doesn't happen in politics all the time. It's just rhetoric and words. Funny you're not critizing Hillary for actually breaking the law as an elected official. That's what this is about. Hillary breaking the law by using a private email server for government emails. But no, you whine about Trump's choice of words concerning her prosecution. Where he is saying he doesn't want her to suffer. That's a lot more sympathetic than what Clinton has been doing to people, like in Libya. But who cares about that, everything Trump says or does is wrong because the media said so. No poo poo it happens all the time, but previous presidents were intelligent and disciplined enough not to shove it in everyone's face because they understood that projecting the right appearance is an important part of exercising power. I've got nothing but contempt for Clinton but that doesn't make Trump's extremely tawdry and low-class attempts at statesmanship any less funny.
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Nov 24, 2016 19:21
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what can hillary do if trump pardons obama
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Nov 25, 2016 08:20
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It's only words and rhetoric that have no consequence, like that one time a GDR official accidentally declared East Germany's borders open, and the Berlin Wall fell the next day.
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Nov 25, 2016 09:44
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Obama won't even go over Congress's head and force through Garner.
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Nov 25, 2016 09:54
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Stockholm Syndrome posted:Funny you're not critizing Hillary for actually breaking the law as an elected official. That's what this is about. Hillary breaking the law by using a private email server for government emails. So you also want George the Second and Dick Cheney prosecuted for using the gwb43.com domain for their emails?
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Nov 25, 2016 14:40
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Stockholm Syndrome posted:Lol, like that kind of thing doesn't happen in politics all the time. It's just rhetoric and words. Funny you're not critizing Hillary for actually breaking the law as an elected official. That's what this is about. Hillary breaking the law by using a private email server for government emails. But no, you whine about Trump's choice of words concerning her prosecution. Where he is saying he doesn't want her to suffer. That's a lot more sympathetic than what Clinton has been doing to people, like in Libya. But who cares about that, everything Trump says or does is wrong because the media said so. Email, Libya, Media. So this is a real trump supporter? Yes your guy lies too which a whole lot of us knew all along. He dramatically announced he was going to prosecute Hilary in the middle of a debate and was "lying" (an anti-Hilary definition of lying anyways) about it all along. Now we get to watch you repeat the "Hilary is a liar" refrain while justifying Trump's one by one.
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Nov 25, 2016 16:10
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Antti posted:However, I think Obama would not want to do anything like this, and Clinton would not accept it even if offered, because she didn't actually commit a crime. I think Clinton at this point would actually welcome the opportunity of becoming politically martyred by Trump. I think she cares too much about America to use something like a pardon to slink away. Is there a mechanism for not accepting a pardon?
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Nov 25, 2016 16:19
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Is there a mechanism for not accepting a pardon? you admit guilt, legally speaking, by accepting one
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Nov 25, 2016 16:21
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Is there a mechanism for not accepting a pardon? United States v. Wilson The court decided that: quote:A pardon is a deed, to the validity of which delivery is essential, and delivery is not complete without acceptance. It may then be rejected by the person to whom it is tendered; and if it is rejected, we have discovered no power in this court to force it upon him.
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Nov 25, 2016 18:38
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Antti posted:Ford issued a blanket pardon for Nixon (and paid for it). The difference is Ford was in office for a while after Nixon got out, Obama basically only has a couple months.
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Nov 26, 2016 05:28
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Hillary hasn't committed any crimes that can be prosecuted and were Obama to pardon Hillary anyway it wouldn't matter because if she gets prosecuted by Trump it won't be through the legal system
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Nov 26, 2016 13:04
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Kit Walker posted:Hillary hasn't committed any crimes that can be prosecuted and were Obama to pardon Hillary anyway it wouldn't matter because if she gets prosecuted by Trump it won't be through the legal system Evading FOIA is a crime.
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Nov 26, 2016 15:48
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mugrim posted:Evading FOIA is a crime. Which is irrelevant because the FBI investigation concluded she didn't do this.
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Nov 26, 2016 16:22
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Kit Walker posted:Hillary hasn't committed any crimes that can be prosecuted and were Obama to pardon Hillary anyway it wouldn't matter because if she gets prosecuted by Trump it won't be through the legal system Hilary probably did commit crimes and break the rules but it's not that simple. She was the Secretary of State. Anyone who thinks any secretary of state under any administration in any party would go to jail for incompetence related to emails is dumb. Yes a regular guy 5 levels down might have for doing the same thing. Welcome to life.
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Nov 26, 2016 17:19
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VitalSigns posted:Which is irrelevant because the FBI investigation concluded she didn't do this. The FBI investigation concluded she didn't purposefully store classified material on a private server, I never saw anything about evading FOIA, simply classified materials. Feel free to correct me with a source. Edit: Purposefully.
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Nov 26, 2016 17:59
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The "Hillary is a criminal" thing was an astroturfed pile of bullshit propaganda invented by the right wing hate machine to stain her. That's it; that's all it is. I'm pretty sure they knew full well that she would never, ever end up in jail over it but that's exactly what they needed. To the right wing base she was a criminal that should be fought and destroyed at all costs; she is an unperson to them. If she ever did actually get prosecuted/thrown in jail they'd have to pick a new Great Enemy.
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asdf32 posted:Hilary probably did commit crimes and break the rules but it's not that simple. She was the Secretary of State. Anyone who thinks any secretary of state under any administration in any party would go to jail for incompetence related to emails is dumb. Yes a regular guy 5 levels down might have for doing the same thing. Welcome to life. Someone further down the food chain wouldn't have gone to jail for doing what she did, either. It's a completely baseless claim. Stuff like that doesn't get prosecuted because it would only lead to people hiding security breaches rather than being forthcoming about it
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