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She's being imprisoned by the government for committing treason. Leaking poo poo to wiki leaks isn't whistleblowing. There's actually a process for whisteblowing in the military. If Manning went to her congressman or the Inspector General or the Office of Special Counsel with her issues she wouldn't be in prison. It's that simple.
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thethreeman posted:Sherrod Brown finishes his 2nd term in 2018, has populist cred, super popular in ohio, will be a bit old at 68 in 2020, but still in the game. He might have just won a OH Gov race in 2018 too Yeah why aren't people talking about Sherrod Brown, he's a populist, a friend of Bernie (though he endorsed Clinton in the primary), and seems like an ideal candidate to patch over Clinton's weakest areas, ie. the rust belt. Yinlock posted:Punished Bernie Politics has changed...
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FuturePastNow posted:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donna-brazile-democratic-national-committee_us_5824cb95e4b0ddd4fe7954e8 I want to meet Zach and I want to hug him, and tell him that somehow we're going to find a way through this bullshit. Together. 
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Larry Parrish posted:She's being imprisoned by the government for committing treason. Leaking poo poo to wiki leaks isn't whistleblowing. There's actually a process for whisteblowing in the military. If Manning went to her congressman or the Inspector General or the Office of Special Counsel with her issues she wouldn't be in prison. It's that simple. That's horse poo poo. Article 3 of the U.S. Constitution states: quote:Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
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Larry Parrish posted:She's being imprisoned by the government for committing treason. Leaking poo poo to wiki leaks isn't whistleblowing. There's actually a process for whisteblowing in the military. If Manning went to her congressman or the Inspector General or the Office of Special Counsel with her issues she wouldn't be in prison. It's that simple. Hmmm no. She was convicted of Violating the Espionage Act, stealing government property, violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, and multiple counts of disobeying orders. She was specifically found not guilty of more serious offences like aiding the enemy. Whistle-blowing doesn't exist in the military outside of proper military channels. Its the way the law is written unfortunately.
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Larry Parrish posted:She's being imprisoned by the government for committing treason. Leaking poo poo to wiki leaks isn't whistleblowing. There's actually a process for whisteblowing in the military. If Manning went to her congressman or the Inspector General or the Office of Special Counsel with her issues she wouldn't be in prison. It's that simple. Do you believe that if Chelsea had followed those protocols, changes would have been made? That the people who were gleefully murdering civilians from a gunship would have faced serious public repercussions*, say? *Keeping in mind that the military did nothing to them even after everyone found out, lol
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i have a hard time giving a poo poo about however damaging chelsea manning's actions might have been while the americans who literally tortured prisoners to death are still free because "we mustn't be too sanctimonious" we all know it's embarrassment that's the real crime in the government's eyes here
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Freemason Rush Week posted:America Is Already Great. I heard that is because America is Good. confirm/deny?
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SirPhoebos posted:Jon Stewart holy poo poo yes
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SirPhoebos posted:Jon Stewart oh holy poo poo no
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SirPhoebos posted:Jon Stewart 
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We need a Bernie Sanders type but younger and with a history of sexual assault.
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Pity Party Animal posted:Hmmm no. She was convicted of Violating the Espionage Act, stealing government property, violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, and multiple counts of disobeying orders. She was specifically found not guilty of more serious offences like aiding the enemy. Whistle-blowing doesn't exist in the military outside of proper military channels. Its the way the law is written unfortunately. She was not literally convicted of treason but uhh are you retarded dude. 'Whistle-blowing doesn't exist outside the proper military channels' that's for a reason you loving idiot. Is the Pentagon insanely backwards and retarded? Yes, but that's the fault of the Democrats and Republicans allowing generals to become mouthpieces for defense contractors and politicizing the strategy of the DoD. It serves both parties interests to give big fat welfare bucks to DoD contractors so, like literally every other problem in the nation it's a symptom of the sheltered capitalist elite being deaf to what the nation needs and wants.
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FrensaGeran posted:We need a Bernie Sanders type but younger and with a history of sexual assault. So Nate Parker then?
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quote:Bernie Sanders this plz, need tulsi as vp for if bernie croaks before his term ends
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FrensaGeran posted:We need a Bernie Sanders type but younger and with a history of sexual assault. Anthony Weiner isn't quite there yet but four years is a long time
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Bernie/Warren or Bernie/Gabbard or something unless Warren or somebody becomes more popular than Bernie in the next four years, but I dunno if that'll hapoen
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Guys I know I made both threads, but the Wikipedia thread is over there ------->
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Shear Modulus posted:Bernie/Warren or Bernie/Gabbard The sexual tension alone assures us the white vote.
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Chuck Schumer endorsed Keith Ellison for DNC chair, the progressive wing is about to take over the DNC
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FrensaGeran posted:The sexual tension alone assures us the white vote. Bernie/Warren is my OTP (optimal ticket population)  No but seriously Warren is too valuable of a senator to waste on the vice presidency, gabbard or bust
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Ace of Baes posted:Chuck Schumer endorsed Keith Ellison for DNC chair, the progressive wing is about to take over the DNC I really hope this but I'm worried we're getting all excited over a brief blip before the clintonites uncoup the coup 
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loquacius posted:Bernie/Warren is my OTP (optimal ticket population) The thing is that if Bernie actually runs in 2020 there's a fairly large chance he'd die in office. This is important in two ways. 1. If he won the VP might be President soon, and 2. People would say this during the campaign and would want the VP to be somebody they'd vote for for Pres.
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loquacius posted:I really hope this but I'm worried we're getting all excited over a brief blip before the clintonites uncoup the coup The Clintonites are done and Tim Kaine has signaled the support of his NOVA dems will go to which ever leader emerges from the Left. Chuck Schumer has already Agreed to back Bernie's pick for DNC chair. That's two of the biggest political machines on the east coast ready to admit nobody wants to vote for third way candidates anymore.
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I know everyone has fond memories of Warren from all the finger-wagging she's done at bankers, but did you ever notice she doesn't actually... do anything? She won't stick her neck out unless she knows it'll go over well, and she has some pretty bad positions (e.g. Israel/Palestine) that will not fly with millennials. This is not the time for cautious politicians.
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I'm all in for Keith Ellison and what convinced me was this perfect tweet. https://twitter.com/jonathanweisman/status/797120114042793984
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Freemason Rush Week posted:I know everyone has fond memories of Warren from all the finger-wagging she's done at bankers, but did you ever notice she doesn't actually... do anything? She won't stick her neck out unless she knows it'll go over well, and she has some pretty bad positions (e.g. Israel/Palestine) that will not fly with millennials. Bernie has a similar position, unfortunately. But I'm not one for ideological purity, so he is fine with me.
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Freemason Rush Week posted:I know everyone has fond memories of Warren from all the finger-wagging she's done at bankers, but did you ever notice she doesn't actually... do anything? She won't stick her neck out unless she knows it'll go over well, and she has some pretty bad positions (e.g. Israel/Palestine) that will not fly with millennials. She can probably be convinced to go a fair bit harder with Cheeto Benito and the Tea Party Krew in power
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Freemason Rush Week posted:The only Chelsea Democrats should be talking about right now is Manning. obama's final action as president should consist of simultaneously pardoning manning while zero dark thirtying assange
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devtesla posted:I'm all in for Keith Ellison and what convinced me was this perfect tweet. that guy is high up at the NYT?  they're all just completely clueless aren't they? they're loving incompetents masquerading as technocrats
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I was more of the school of thought that we needed someone a little more middle of the road like Hillary before the election, but after this I'm fully on board with going all the way in the progressive direction. The party needs a shakeup, and I think Ellison could be the one to do it. I'm officially feeling the bern.
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Condiv posted:that guy is high up at the NYT? His apology was incredibly stupid too https://mobile.twitter.com/jonathanweisman/status/797177951733317632
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I don't know a ton about Gabbard - looks like the Hawaii senate/governorship aren't really possibilities before 2020 given the dem incumbents that have more terms available. Is she in line to be a committee chairperson in the house or something? Wonder if she'll be able to build up leadership stories before 2020
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Tbh as long as a candidate isnt majorly flawed and as long as Bernie directly attaches himself to a candidate it won't matter if they have a ton of experience, I mean Donald Trump had literally 0 experience.
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Condiv posted:that guy is high up at the NYT? They literally only understand identity politics. The idea that a black man named Obama might appeal to rural folks in the rust belt is beyond them, despite the past 8 years actually happening. In their current state of pain and confusion, they are incapable of processing data and are relying on their mess of preconceptions.
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Ace of Baes posted:Tbh as long as a candidate isnt majorly flawed and as long as Bernie directly attaches himself to a candidate it won't matter if they have a ton of experience, I mean Donald Trump had literally 0 experience. Agreed. Experience is an advantage, but it can't make up for a deeply flawed candidate.
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