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DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

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Peel posted:

what are duckworth and gabbard actually like policy- and rhetoric-wise if we're thinking we want more populist credibility next time around

for me duckworth is less about her exact ideas and more about her being new to congress and a vet. if she can be turned into a berniecrat (or better yet already is) she could be the next obama. gabbard is also acceptable.

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DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

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Peel posted:

true, i hadn't considered that people have four years to establish themselves in a new rhetorical environment

don't forget that kerry was a vet though

as was mccain. being a vet on its own won't be a huge deal but otoh she lost her fuckin legs in the military which is pretty fuckin metal. it's just one of those things that could help a bit. her being a relative unkown is i think still undoubtedly her best strength and i hope she can seize that and do something with it; i'll be greatly disappointed if she instead just goes full establishment.

this may be a good time to get people to start writing her and trying to get her on the populism train.

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

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Zythrst posted:

I know you all are going to say not enough experience, but the person I respect the most after all this is Nina Turner and I think she should be President.

eta- Tulsi would be okay consolation

nobody will say 'not enough experience' after obama

or, y'know, trump

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

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Sheng-ji Yang posted:

I honestly think Bernie will run if his health maintains over the next four years. Yes, he will be old as gently caress and that will be the primary detriment to his campaign. If he did win, he'd likely only serve one term.

4 years of bernie and then him handing it off to a berniecrat, likely one who isn't even in congress yet, in 2024 is my dream scenario

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

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Alter Ego posted:

It'd be Obama all over again. That said, what better way to refresh in everyone's mind that Donald Trump is, indeed, a racist bigot.

if she does indeed run, she needs to respond to whatever awful things trump would undoubtedly say the same way as she did when the guy she was running against was a giant racist: do not even acknowledge it. draw no attention to it.

we cannot have another candidate who focuses on how much of a shithead trump is. it did not work.

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

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if bernie is still healthy and sharp in 2020 and chooses a much younger vp with similar ideology to assuage any concerns about his age, i believe he could win. he would surely only be a one term but i think he is the best shot they have.

just don't hire jeff weaver this time please

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

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Arri posted:

I'd bet that Mario Cuomo is going to run in 2020.

mario cuomo is dead kid, so i assume you meant andrew cuomo

andrew cuomo would be a fantastic choice if the dems want to lose even harder than clinton.

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

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spunkshui posted:

Another corporate shill 2020

edit: probably a women or someone hispanic

why not both? ana navarro 2020

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

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Ace of Baes posted:

I think it's less about the eggs and more about what the basket is made of.

the only baskets i know of are made of deplorables

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

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please keep new yorkers out of politics tia

except paul tonko he's pretty cool

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

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Gizmoduck_5000 posted:

Ron Perlman.

Liberal socialist, and has actually mused about running for president.

i could get behind this

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

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Alter Ego posted:

Was it this or was it just that his people turned out and Hillary's didn't? Again, 54% turnout is loving godawful, and low turnout pretty much ensures Republicans win every time.

If it is the other thing, then how does this not render state polling useless from here on out? No one will trust it, period.

after this election i think it is safe to say that nobody should trust the polls ever again regardless tbh

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

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Alter Ego posted:

My fear is that Andrew Cuomo will jump in and just like with Hillary, the field will be cleared for him.

i would not be surprised if he runs but he is shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit and would not win the primaries. he is quite likely the worst democrat in office anywhere in this country right now.

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

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if any democrat from ny runs in the 2020 primaries it needs to be paul tonko because he is cool and good, but he's also too focused on a single (albeit important) issue to realistically win.

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

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well uh

paul tonko 2020 i guess?

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Aug 13, 2008

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KRock posted:

Was there any other actual reason to support Gabbard besides her having nice things to say about Sanders? Please tell me goons weren't that gullible..

it's mostly a case of who the gently caress else are they gonna run

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Aug 13, 2008

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Fulchrum posted:

You're assuming that Americans are logical and sane in terms of politics. I would have thought Trump winning would have disabused you of that notion.

your posts do a better job of proving this than trump winning did

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Aug 13, 2008

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Main Paineframe posted:

2010 was a dark time to say anything negative about obama in D&D

people were still unironically using the terms "political capital" and "eleventh-dimensional chess" back then

as recently as last year i got called a gbser in d&d for calling obama's tenure as president a wet fart in comparison to how he campaigned

don't d&d

for that matter don't gbs either, it's just as bad (especially their political threads)

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

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Alter Ego posted:

Why was Tulsi Gabbard considered a viable standard bearer for anything again?

she backed bernie and nobody had realized that she sucks when that happened

however as she is now known to be a poo poo i don't think she is considered a standard bearer of anything by anyone

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Aug 13, 2008

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ate poo poo on live tv posted:

It's also ok to think Tulsi is fine.


how about no

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