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Condiv
May 7, 2008

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The Kingfish posted:

I just realized that Bernie and Warren are the leaders of the party now.

E: And bernie more so than warren I would expect.

it's time to rebuild :dance:

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Condiv
May 7, 2008

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Oh Snapple! posted:

Do you think Democrats want Bernie to have the reigns and would actually allow him to take them if he himself actually wanted to?

they better if they want to continue to exist

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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radical meme posted:

Welp, that poo poo happened.

I finally recovered from my hangover and wanted to post in the Baloogan thread but it's already gone.

My two cents is that the people saying the Democrats lost touch with too many middle class white males is probably correct. Also, peepaw Bernie was not the answer. Socialism does not sell in the U.S., never has and never will in our lifetimes.

I'm glad C-SPAM is sticking around. Can't wait for the novels written about this.

meemaw abandoned you, it's time to accept your new peepaw

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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hobbesmaster posted:

Clinton also out polled Trump.

we tried hillary's approach and it failed horrifically. now we try bernie's approach or we roll over and die

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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i hear hillary likes star trek, here's a good quote for her:

"We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile."

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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Glenn Quebec posted:

Hillary lost because she came off goofy. She acted all friendly and it came off stilted. Like, look lady, we know you're a hardened career politician -- act like Margaret Thatcher and be an enormous tough bitch. Her image loving sucked and came off disingenuous. Looking forward to Chelsea 2020.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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Tatsuta Age posted:

didn't read the thread but gently caress you venom snake

v rude. venom snake has incremented towards leftism, while you refuse to pragmatically embrace the future

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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Yinlock posted:

i mean besides anime was right's fantastic post all i'm seeing about what she could have done better is "immediately concede to bernie sanders who would have won because[insert fanfiction]"

because he actually had a message. abuela didn't and that's why she lost

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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hmm i wonder why hillary lost

quote:

A New Hampshire voter asked: "As president, would you sign a bill, yes or no please, in favor of allowing they Keystone XL pipeline?"

Clinton responds:

Well (four second pause), as you know, I was the Secretary of State who started that process. I was the one who put into place the investigation, I have now passed it off, as obvious, cause I'm no longer there, to Secretary Kerry. This is President Obama's decision, and I am not going to second guess him, because I was in a position to set this in moition and I do not think that would be the right thing to do.

So, I want to wait and see what he and Secretary Kerry decide... if it's undecided when I become president, I will answer your question.

hmm hmm

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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Mrit posted:

Back in 2006, I was angry. Angry at the Republicans, angry at the weakness of the Dems. I was hard left, and wanted to destroy the current government.
Then later Obama happened. Yea! He was a good person. I started to calm down.
We got piddling reforms, and I supported the Dems and blamed Republicans for not getting more done.
And by the the 2016 came around, my personal life was more secure, therefore more of the same was a great idea, right? So I supported Hillary.

Never again. Burn the loving DNC to the ground. I want a socialist, and I want him to force his agenda on America, Stalin style. Letting Trump win is disgusting. Democratic hubris will destroy years of progress, and hurt millions.
gently caress weak willed centrists. Never again.

glad you're on board :glomp:

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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mrmcd posted:

The rust belt was just as lovely economically in 2012. Republicans put up someone who came off like everyone's rear end in a top hat boss, sang his praises about what a skilled technocrat he was, and told people to hold their nose and vote for him.

They swung a great big miss on Romney, then the DNC looked at that and said "hmmm yes good plan let's do that in four years."

:agreed:

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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venom snake, you said you wanted to discuss how to move forward? can you teach us cqc?

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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http://www.newyorker.com/news/benjamin-wallace-wells/hillary-clintons-powerful-concession

quote:

The ferocity of the attachments between Clinton and her staffers has been part of the story of her campaign; at times it has made them more defensive and probably (in the case of her private e-mail server) helped to trap Clinton into some bad choices. Her concession speech suggested a reason for that intensity: she believed that she and her staff represented a movement, even if her opponents to her left and right never saw her that way.

it's called being delusional. she was high on her own farts

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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this is a pretty good opinion piece on why hillary was a bad candidate and bernie would've won

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/11/10/hillary-clinton-lost-bernie-sanders-could-have-won

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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triple sulk posted:

The black vote didn't turn out. I'd be interested to see the turnout numbers in southwest Philadelphia in particular for similar reasons.

i wonder why

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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https://twitter.com/freddiedeboer/status/796718450945232897

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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https://twitter.com/freddiedeboer/status/796717089394401280

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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Condiv
May 7, 2008

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuGFJUnYwtk

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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Homework Explainer posted:

it's funny to see the same people who called me a paid kremlin stooge mysteriously disappear from this forum after the election

they're huddling in dnd and huffing their own farts still

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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remember when hillary refused to release her wall street transcripts and her faithful gave her a pass? remember when it came out that hillary was indeed in bed with wallstreet and her faithful blew it off because they were blinded by sunk cost fallacy?

quote:

Touching on her view of developing financial regulations, Clinton declared to a crowd of Goldman Sachs bankers that in order to “figure out what works,” the “people that know the industry better than anybody are the people who work in the industry.”

At the Goldman Sachs Builders and Innovators Summit, Clinton responded to a question from chief executive Lloyd Blankfein, who quipped that you “go to Washington” to “make a small fortune.” Clinton agreed with the comment and complained about ethics rules that require officials to divest from certain assets before entering government. “There is such a bias against people who have led successful and/or complicated lives,” Clinton said.

good times

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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Oh Snapple! posted:

lmao where is this from

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/07/excerpts-of-hillary-clintons-paid-speeches-to-goldman-sachs-finally-leaked/

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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Condiv
May 7, 2008

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mastershakeman posted:

where can I order a bunch of these

https://shop.hillaryclinton.com/products/the-woman-card

hillary's gonna need the money anyway

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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you know what's hosed up? the planned parenthood pac brought about the certain destruction of planned parenthood by interfering with the primary

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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Here's a fun little article: Hillary Clinton’s strategies cost Hillary Clinton the election

quote:

Democratic clustering didn’t start in 2016, but it lost Hillary Clinton the Electoral College because she thought it would energize her base if she put half the country in a “basket of deplorables.”

“You cannot write off half the country,” Dayen wrote, “much less spend an election cycle deriding it, and expect success.”

What Clinton needed — and failed to offer — was a cogent platform and a “change”-based slogan. Trump won the presidency with only the latter.

In short, it’s hard to read a room you’re not even in.

Clinton twice took Michigan for granted — in the primaries and the general — and twice lost in what were later called upsets. Had she even bothered to visit Wisconsin during the general, she might not have been so dead sure the state was a lock.

Even in Democratic-heavy cities like Detroit and Milwaukee, she trailed President Obama’s 2012 numbers by 50,000 and 27,000, respectively.

Beyond the Obama coalition, Clinton — whose tangential relation to NAFTA and flip-flopping on TPP Trump reiterated in near-daily rallies across the country — made no attempt to reconcile with labor union members. And, according to exit polling, paid for it.

Hillary Clinton ultimately lost because she didn’t market herself where it mattered. What she called a platform was a steaming pile of pathos that played well on the Pacific and Atlantic coasts but drowned in the Great Lakes.

one interesting perspective this article made me think of:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/796222841612042240?ref_src=tw

if you supported hillary as the safe candidate over bernie sanders you literally are responsible for trump. it was hillary's bright idea to make trump her opponent and she couldn't pull a win off him. if people had gone all in on bernie, it might've been JEB! vs bernie instead of idiot vs trump and we would almost certainly be in a better position today.

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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Lastgirl posted:

I find it pretty hard to see her as part of the feminist movement because she is way more entrenched with the elites. Her status is well above working class people who have to deal with sexual harassment or racism on a daily basis or even frustration for not being able to have a meal on their plate for dinner and it showed through out her campaigning, having private dinners and 500 dollar tickets to see her speak etc. We can appreciate the fact that thirdwayism is completely dead and its time for a democrat populist movement, speaking of which

https://twitter.com/politico/status/796798355896758272

:bernin:


I hope they consider his opinion instead of bringing Howard Dean back on board because he's pretty insider and it won't represent the leadership the DNC needs right now after the DNC pretty much strongarmed people and padded Clinton's nomination to her favor.

While yes, some people were pretty smug about it, I'll ask you to try not to incite some lovely flamewar over some grudge. The election craze will die down and C-SPAM will have some changes, so please consider this moving forward. The hill-bots are thoroughly owned, this much is evident and after a year of twisting the knives and smugly dismissing your opinions, I can understand the sentiment but don't let that devolve the topic thanks in advance~

i have no issue with ex-hillbots

i want to do my best to disabuse the remaining hillaries of the notion she was a good candidate

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May 7, 2008

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Terror Sweat posted:

she loving helped trump win the goddamn primaries. thats all you really need to say

i have been :bernin:

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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Bear Retrieval Unit posted:

I just wanna say that seeing a bunch of the most hardcore Clinton posters admitting they were wrong is giving me some hope that the future can somehow get unfucked. Not many people can go above digging in their heels and have an honest change oh heart. Good on you guys and welcome back. :glomp:

this

also, venom snake, if you ever have the time i'd like it if you went and worked a part time job in the poorer areas of d.c.

doing that in oklahoma and texas formed a lot of the reason I was so anti-hillary this campaign, cause I saw these people working their asses off every day and trying to do their best and getting poo poo on endlessly because they didn't have the right parents, connections, or genes.

we didn't do the basics we needed to to attract these people who should be able to look to us for relief, and it cost us the election.

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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mastershakeman posted:

she's famously a candidate who takes positions based on polls and then was betrayed by polls in her greatest hour of need. they were her one ring

more like palantir

:goonsay:

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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Zikan posted:

Schumer backing keith confirms what venom snake is saying about the party being completely leaderless and broken. It's really difficult to overstate how much of the internal power structure of the democratic party has been violently upeneded with the collapse of the clinton faction, with hundreds of party apparatchiks completely giving up and leaving or having an extreme existential crisis


congressman keith ellision has put his name foward for dnc chair and is supported by bernie. he is the second in command of the congresional progressive caucus and basically and third way/clintonism as you can get.

senate minority leader chuck schumer is a vile snake who does what is best for schumer and was a major force supporting the clinton faction. him running to the progressives like a dog, where he would be viewed with suspicion by the new locus of power of progressives and left-liberals is a weathervane that he think this is only way to avoid getting eaten by the mob

i'm glad the corporatists just realized they handed the keys of government to fascists with their idiocy

i'd have prefered they woke the gently caress up during the primary but whatever

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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Peel posted:

tbf she probably would have won with better data

losing by several small margins in key states means there's a laundry list of things she could have done differently to win. the democrats were blindsided but not blown out

yep, that's what irks me the most about the "hillary lost because of racism" posters. if she had motivated people just one tiny smidgen better, she would've won. and it's not like she was trying. maybe instead of having a cameo in broad city hillary could have had a rally in the rust belt talking about her jobs retraining and the green jobs she was gonna bring them

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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MysteriousStranger posted:

Basing it on being data driven lets you pay poo poo tons of consultants. Those consultants are upper income professional class social liberals that live in the richest cities in the US, those cities are Democratic power centers. It funnels money to the right people in the right places, which is the entire point of the party. It's not a bad thing.

well, cept when that funnel gets in the way of downticket races

oops!

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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speaking of, what kind of horrific debt do you think the shittastic DNC leadership left us from this election? how much do you guys think they overextended themselves expecting a constant stream of "donations" after hillary won?

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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TyrantWD posted:

What did Trump do other than promise to bring coal and steel back? Retraining people to work in the manufacturing jobs of the future does not appeal to anyone, and that's probably the only way out for these communities. Why do these voters vote so heavily for a Republican party that explicitly runs on all of the things that would hurt their communities even more? It's not like Berniecrats are dominating in rural America.

nafta repeal, tpp trashed, ppaca repeal

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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A Winner is Jew posted:

hello everyone that was right and i was 100% wrong in ignoring / arguing with / belittling / being an rear end in a top hat to / and being an all around rear end clown that deserves to be gently caress barreled for the rest of my life for my actions

spent the last few days processing everything and saw that i missed the "donate to rainn and dont' get toxxed" thread but i donated $50 anyway

:banme: since i toxxed for a looser and will take my ban like the looser that backed a looser



i've already joined sanders in calling for the election of ellison

i've sent in info to ourrevolution about getting involved in stopping trump in any way i can (if that's not a legit site then by all means direct me the gently caress to the right one)

already contacted my local reps in saying they will lose my vote if they don't vote for ellison

i'll probably re-reg in a bit under a different name after the dust settles and i can fully process just how loving wrong my world view has been for the second time in my life (the first going from a piece of poo poo republican raised in orange county to a piece of poo poo third way democrat) but for now i'll be keeping up on this thread since it's been like shock treatment for being so loving wrong and holy poo poo i need that

by all means enjoy the schadenfreude that me coming back here and posting since i loving deserve every bit of it and have at me

no really, any vitriol posted in a reply to this post shouldn't be met with a 6er from the mods or iks since i deserve every bit of it for being such an all around piece of poo poo for the last several months to pretty much every single one of you in this thread

yours in full communism now - a piece of poo poo jew

as long as you're with us now i don't care. we need to provide a strong alternative to trump in 2018

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May 7, 2008

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mrmcd posted:

"White working class voters suffering economically will never accept a black Muslim party administrator even if we offer attractive populist policies!" I continue to insist as I shrink and turn into a centrist corncob being flushed down the toilet along with Obama's entire legacy.

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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when does :bernget: return? we need it to organize!!

Condiv
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not even gonna offer token resistance? maybe actually try to make up for what she we were? no?

gently caress you obama

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loquacius posted:

Thanks for this thread, guys, it's nice to see people taking this poo poo seriously when my usual political discussion space (politoons thread) is full of people who refused to discuss Clinton's flaws during the election and refuse to discuss the DNC's flaws now. Why people would rather clamp their hands over their ears and say "it was all those racists out there, nothing we could do, nothing we can do, la la la" than figure out how to actually loving win poo poo is beyond me.

That said the thread moves too fast for me to post in it regularly but I'll try :downs:

just post this at them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwfYTSdJ7kY

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