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The problem now isn't HRC, it's the #HillaryMen (and women) still in positions of authority in the party who would rather burn it down around them than cede their power to leftists. poo poo-talking HRC is only useful insofar as it destroys the credibility of these people and aids in marginalizing and sidelining them, which needs to happen.
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the absolute #1 reason behind the shambolic state of the Democratic Party is the 2010-ish shift in the DNC's priorities from being competitive in every race to helping incumbents keep their seats everything else is secondary to that. even with a Hillary loss there's no reason we should be in such bad shape nationally but for the DNC's incompetence
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i want to expand on this: as a note, the reason the DNC became such poo poo in 2010 is that the Clinton machine started staffing it with establishment types whose primary loyalty was to Hillary to lay the groundwork for her 2016 run and make sure the deck was clear of rivals that meant suppressing any possible insurgency from the left, and it's why the only leftist challenge she had was from an indy this really is all HRC's fault, her ambition killed a centuries-old party
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Nov 24, 2016 05:46
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Marlows posted:The Democratic Party survived after being widely viewed as the party of secession and slavery, survived the Republican national dominance in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, survived the complete disasters of 1920 and 1924, survived the landslides of 1972 and 1984, and survived the southern strategy. at none of those times did the opposition have as much control as the GOP now does at all of those times a set of norms and unwritten rules governing the bounds of acceptable behavior held that do not now hold the first priority of republicans now in office will be to crush the ability of democrats to rebound via any voter suppression schemes they can dream up, and they will all be upheld by courts packed with republican appointees democrats may eventually crawl back into power but it'll require a level of economic devastation so intense that the republican base abandons them en masse
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Nov 24, 2016 06:08
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MysteriousStranger posted:4. We don't want working class whites in our party. Their votes will dilute minority votes lmbo at a bunch of people reading this line and still taking this post at face value and engaging earnestly with it
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Nov 27, 2016 15:57
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examples of Obama men melting down? I know that wing of the party is all neoliberal stooges but I always more strongly identified that bullshit centrist Third Wayism with Clinton so it's weird to me that his wing of the party is having more trouble with this turn left than hers is
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Nov 27, 2016 23:37
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Atrocious Joe posted:Neera is at it again what a loving scumbag
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Nov 30, 2016 03:30
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the downside of the house gerrymander for the republicans is that if they create very safe red districts, they end up with electeds who have absolutely no fear for their jobs except from an even farther-right challenger, and thus no incentive to play ball or govern whatsoever. Joementum isn't kidding about the Suicide Caucus, they're bugfuck nuts and only the Block Everything agenda of the past six years has kept them in line. Now that they have to actually pass something they're totally unprepared. Some of them literally do not want government to function at all and see their job as to do nothing in order to sabotage it. Eric Cantor losing his seat was a warning siren that sent shock waves through the House GOP. The election of Trump was the other shoe dropping. They're in an impossible position. Ryan has nothing with which to threaten or cajole his craziest members into submission.
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Nov 30, 2016 05:35
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jamelle bouie weighing in with the "actually it was just racism" take
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Dec 3, 2016 19:30
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cory booker is bad, but the real threat is someone like Jaime Harrison, DNC chair candidate and
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pragmatism is important opening negotiations with "hang all bankers" and accepting nothing less is not pragmatism opening negotiations with "hang all bankers" and allowing yourself to be talked down to "regulate Wall Street?" that's pragmatism art of the deal baby 
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Crowsbeak posted:I say it should be paired down to breakup the banks patience, child does the farmer kill the swine at its first birthday? no-- instead, he fills its trough with seed and the pig thinks, what a good friend i have in the farmer
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we can't just drive the business Dems entirely into the wilderness since then they just become blue-state republicans. we must wrest control of the party from them, but we offer the carrot and the stick. on one side, a pluralistic, multicultural society with a strong safety net and regulations that allow business to grow in a sane, measured way on the other side, the great gleaming razor of le coiffeur, the people's instrument of revolutionary justice
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freckle posted:You show a surprising lack of bloodlust toward the neoliberal scum, comrade. when i pull on the black hood and stand on the scaffold with the lever in my hand, it will not be bloodlust, but justice that motivates me. the hood cracks and snaps around me in the cold morning wind, but i am numb to it. the sterile winds steals the stink of fear-sweat from my nostrils and whips it into the crowd. i do this not because i hate the bankers. i will pray with them and beseech almighty god to forgive their sins. but once those sins have been expunged and their souls are bright and clear, the rot of their crimes remains and must be punished. i pull the lever. the crowd exhales in a sustained gasp. i do not look. they are already leading the next man up the scaffold. le coiffeur's hunger is not sated.
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Dec 6, 2016 18:57
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what I'm trying to say is it's all about the big tent!!!
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im very economically anxious
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deadgoon posted:the big tent, is the one that forms in my pants, when i think about bankers and CEOs being set to the guillotine this guys, this right here is a very good post
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Dec 6, 2016 19:14
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im not gonna dig in my heels and insist that the democrats plant a stake every mile from Boston to LA and impale a financial executive on each one but i can't get behind any platform where jamie dimon's guts stay inside his body
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ubi is a weird capitalist stepping stone anyways, the idea is that essential resources like food and shelter should be provided by the state. i think selling it to people as a work-for-shelter program would appeal to the hyper-capitalist meritocrats that make up most of america, like you can live in a Freedom Apartment rent-free if you are willing to work. we don't even need to have tons of infrastructure makework, instead we could have the state contract with thousands of private employers to provide workers (like a giant recruitment agency) for a lump sum up front that would fund the Freedom Apartments and Freedom Meals. then the state turns around and provides those resources for free to workers in exchange for them taking shifts at the businesses. there's a wide variety of types of work represented so there's something for everyone who applies to do. the people are happy because they have food and shelter and are earning it through work. the businesses are happy because they don't have to worry about the hassle of providing insurance, doing payroll, etc., they just pay a fixed rate to the government. their workers are motivated since they know they lose their housing if they lose their jobs. bing bing bong so simple. of course even this is a mere stepping stone towards a truly socialist system but it's one that would be very palatable to the people who would never accept UBI. and make no mistake, taking people who want to work and telling them "no, UBI instead" is autocratic and dehumanizing. edit: obviously in this system health care is also a public good provided by the state for people and the concept of health "insurance" is obsolete, but we have to phsae that out gradually too, so we tell people they're on Freedomcare when they're in a Freedom Apartment and it's just like an insurance payment without premiums. also, people who wish to work above and beyond the requirement for a Freedom Apartment get cash to spend on luxury goods or whatever they want. DAD LOST MY IPOD has issued a correction as of 00:38 on Dec 7, 2016 |
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Gizmoduck_5000 posted:Yeah me too, if we even get to vote at all in the future. GOP will 100% spend the next 4-8 years trying to ratfuck the election process as much as possible, and the dems will just turn around and present their asses with a whimpered apology like they always do when a republican raises their voice, because they are a bunch of spineless, incompetent cowards. They ceded every inch of ground they had in order to make the oval office their alamo, and did nothing to stop a right wing coup of congress and state governments. you could have switched a few nouns around and changed the focus from voter suppression to immigration reform (to get a bunch of new minority voters) and this screed wouldn't have looked out of place in 2008 as a republican throwing up his hands in despair you need to step away from the mcdonald's drivethru and relax
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how about we just do primaries with ranked-choice instant-runoff like we should have on the national scale
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zordon knocked up alpha 5, classy
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theres a lot of us. theyre holding us in the basement of comet ping pong. theres a huge vat of bubbling green stuff-- i dont know what it is but they dipped jake in and he came out babbling about triangulation, market based solutions and diversity on wall street boards im scared
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donna brazile is good actually and abuela would have won if bernie bros didn't stab her in the back
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Dec 7, 2016 21:01
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Paul Ryan will not allow a debt default although there are 40 crazy as gently caress republicans in the House who gladly would. Ryan would pass something with Democrats if he had to to avoid default, which would set off an unholy hellstorm among his base, but that wouldn't affect anyone but Republican congressmen.
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i think we should put Cory Booker in charge of a search committee comprised of billionaire donors to pick the next candidate and as soon as they're all sitting down, we close the doors and the rains of castamere starts playing
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my party consists of zephyr teachout the half elf druid and elwyn tinklenberg the gnome illusionist
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the important thing isn't to elect a DNC chair with specific policy priorities. the important thing is to elect a DNC chair who 1) knows he or she owes his or her position to the left wing of the party and will therefore respond to their concerns and 2) knows that the neoliberal wing of the party is a cadre of thoroughly discredited ghouls and they can and should be ignored and marginalized ideally the defeat of the neoliberal-backed candidate sends a loud and clear message that this isn't their party anymore. whoever gets in has a tough fight ahead and we can't have those emaciated old turds trying to claw back into power
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at this point I think the party lining up behind Ellison is less about trying to get a corporatist yeerk into his ear and more about recognizing the inevitable when the adl came out against him and chuck schumer (d-israel) said "nah he's fine" i think the tide had turned still, until the votes are in be wary of the dolchstoss
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my use of neoliberal is short hand for "business-and-finance friendly, always tries for market-backed solutions, more concerned about inflation than unemployment, hostile to regulation, tax decreasing, and obsessed with increasing globalization regardless of its human cost." since I don't feel like typing that out every time I'm going to consider using the dreaded "n-word"
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dilbro is kind of a cultural conservative, not a political one. there are lots of types of people who are cultural conservatives: religious conservatives, gun-rights or prepper types, and lately MRAs/neo-reactionaries/straight up nazis. a lot of these people have no political beliefs that could be remotely recognized as conservative, but nevertheless consolidate themselves into the larger conservative movement, whether because they're pandered to (religious), frightened into it (preppers) or they just identify their oppressors on the left (MRAs, nazis). i know some very politically apathetic old school chantard/troll types who nevertheless were rooting really hard for trump because they hate "SJWs" and identify those people with support of democrats/clinton.
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Joementum posted:Could also see him going for Governor. I wanna see someone like Eldridge or Sannicandro take a run for governor but knowing our luck it's gonna be tsongas or Lynch if someone could persuade Seth Moulton to run I'd be very happy
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many Americans of color face racialized oppression the conditions of that oppression are always and ever material only a materialist approach (as currently embodied by the economic justice wing of the party) can combat that oppression namaste
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democrats need to make the repeal of Taft-Hartley a plank in their platform yesterday and trumpet it everywhere
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clintons fault lots of people vote straight ticket, splitting is very rare. overperforming the top of the ticket to the degree kander did is a major show of strength. if Clinton wasn't a dogshit worthless scumbag neoliberal loser he'd have won
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I don't understand this at all. Blunt was clearly vulnerable, Kander was an exceptionally strong candidate, and he ran probably one of the best ads in Senate campaign history.
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I can't speak for others but my personal concern over all this Perez business is that the Dems have a long history of punching left, and viciously suppressing any economically progressive insurgency. It's pattern recognition. They are ok with a succession of incremental steps rightward but any hint of leftward motion and the long knives come out.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Is "Muslim Registry!" the left's version of "Death Panels!" no because death panels are something conservatives made up about what liberals wanted to do, whereas the Muslim registry is liberals repeating something that conservatives have openly and proudly said they want to do hope this helps
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