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Fullhouse posted:turns out when your entire campaign is actually explaining how bad the other person is instead of giving anyone a reason to vote for you instead, lots of people just won't vote Also make sure to tell everyone that doesn't like you that its only because you're a woman.
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Venom Snake posted:Because lower to middle class white America perceived things to be worse and getting worse Or just maybe things are actually getting worse for lower to middle class America, especially for people outside a handful of cities. And touting job creation numbers doesn't do anything if you can't find a job because nobody is hiring within a 50 mile radius. If the democratic party won't accept that people voted for Trump for reasons other than racism they are doomed to continued failure.
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Nov 10, 2016 01:25
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Adventure Pigeon posted:On another note, why didn't she control outlets that were making GBS threads all over Sanders supporters or at least tell them they weren't helping? Did she think that letting them run the Bernie Bros meme would kill that movement faster while not saying anything herself would protect her from backlash? Or did she genuinely not have any control? It was her surrogates, especially David Brock, that created and pushed the Bernie Bro thing. She didn't try to stop it because it was part of her campaign.
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Nov 10, 2016 03:19
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Sun Wu Kampf posted:Not even millenials like Lena Dunham. Every single TV show she ever showed up on cratered horribly in the ratings for whatever episode no matter how much clothing she removed. I'd bet there's about 100% crossover between people under 35 who like Lena Dunham and people under 35 who were big Hillary supporters. So from their bubble it seemed like everyone loves her. So why wouldn't you push somebody who everybody loves?
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Nov 10, 2016 15:51
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LmaoTheKid posted:Are we allowed to Bernie thread style shitpost because I already posted it but the Bernie running gif applies here too. Posting a gif isn't Bernie thread style shitposting. Posting 100 gifs in 11 second intervals is Bernie thread style shitposting.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:39
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Speaking of the Bernie thread it is definitely bullshit that Bernie toxxers got banned before he even officially lost but Hillary toxxers are getting a pass. Free Matey.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:42
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Talking about "optics" is exactly the loving problem. Jesus Tapdancing Goddamn Christ. I'm hoping that this election causes the death of people talking about politics as if they are totally removed observers taking part in a big meta discussion. Like, poor people have TVs to and can hear you talking about them.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:47
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I don't quite understand the anger at people like Bernie and Warren that some are expressing because they've said they'll work with Trump on populist issues. He's president whether they like it or not and there is real crossover in what he talked about in his campaign and what they want to do. If they can get part of their agenda passed with a republican led house and senate who cares if Trump is the guy signing it in to law?
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Nov 10, 2016 21:08
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agent_wildflower posted:What about Al Franken? Big Hillary supporter who shat on Bernie as hard as he could Al Franken?
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Nov 10, 2016 21:27
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This came up yesterday but I don't think it got answered. Did it ever come out if any of that Hillary Victory Fund money made it back to the states after the convention? Because the democrats continued their trend of losing statehouses and governorships on Tuesday and that's going to impact people's day to day lives a lot more than having an orange buffoon in the White House will.
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Nov 10, 2016 21:39
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Condiv posted:remember when hillary refused to release her wall street transcripts and her faithful gave her a pass? remember when it came out that hillary was indeed in bed with wallstreet and her faithful blew it off because they were blinded by sunk cost fallacy? No, no, no man. You have to understand that is in fact a nothingburger and not something that is hugely important to the electorate. What really matters is whether Trump releases his taxes.
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Nov 10, 2016 22:02
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Nov 10, 2016 22:39
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Peel posted:This thread has had some good posting but I think we need to be aware that mostly we are recapitulating our prejudices in the immediate aftermath of an event, not doing analysis. In the case of this forum this means it's dominated by angry bernie supporters squeezed out by the clinton hothouse over the last few months, now returned. So I'd like to say some words in favour of responses to the election outside of the 'more economic populism to win back white workers' consensus view ITT. Sir, this is a Del Taco.
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Nov 10, 2016 22:44
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sportsgenius86 posted:http://www.rollcall.com/news/opinion/im-a-coastal-elite-from-the-midwest-the-real-bubble-is-rural-america#sthash.hQsGH2Zt.rws7PPMx.gbpl Of course they picked soccer as the sport.
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Nov 11, 2016 00:38
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Karl Barks posted:i work for a uni and the dean sent out an email that said this election is proof we need to focus more on educating people. good poo poo. Hillary did not fail. She was failed.
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Nov 11, 2016 00:57
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DaveWoo posted:I dunno, my progressive friends apparently hate Warren now because she didn't endorse Bernie in the primary. Thats recoverable for her.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:07
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MaxxBot posted:The fact that this forum which previously had a reputation as being uber-left politically had devolved into a hotbed of shameless DNC shills had started to slowly drive me insane, the fact that this did a complete 180 after her loss is probably one of the few silver linings of this shitshow. Go check out the election and Aftermath threads in D&D. They ain't learned poo poo.
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Nov 11, 2016 03:10
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Homework Explainer posted:it's not a .gif buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut So, full socialism now?
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Nov 11, 2016 03:24
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C-Euro posted:I agree, but I also think that part of the reason it's an issue is that anyone who can get out of the Midwest has been doing so the last several years (or concentrating in Midwest urban centers like Chicago). I think this is a core assumption of a lot of people on the coasts but I really don't think it holds up. For a lot of people getting out is a priority. But also for a lot of people, including educated ones, there is a desire to stay in the middle of the country. And even the shitiest, redest states like Kansas have towns like Lawrence that are very progressive and cosmopolitan. And if somebody wants a huge city places like Minneapolis and Kansas City provide that at a fraction of the cost of living of the big cities on the coast. Accepting that not everybody wants to live in New York or LA is one of the things the Democrats are going to have to do if they want to come back.
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Nov 11, 2016 04:06
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Jenner posted:Not to be a Jeb but please don't gloss over me and scroll by and take the time to read my earlier post in this thread. Thanks. Like it or not Trump is going to be president and he ran on a populist platform that had a lot of overlap with what Bernie and Warren want to accomplish. If they can use him to get some economic reforms through and real infrastructure spending done then that's a good thing. Like, who gives a poo poo if Trump is the one guillotining bankers as long as they're being guillotined.
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Nov 11, 2016 04:20
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Locker Room Zubaz posted:If Trump restructures H1Bs then SV is in trouble. I think Apple, MS, and Google are the only big tech companies with actual cash reserves and all three would be hosed with corporate tax reform. Also if there is other investment opportunities made available besides being a VC then a lot of the money wells dry up. If their business plan requires exploiting foreign workers to artificially depress wages of citizens and permanent residents then it is probably a lovely business plan and deserves to die to be honest.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:03
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Battle Royale Baby posted:Aw I missed out on DNC chairman Elliott Smith chat If my facebook is any indication a lot of people who are in that bubble are sincerely failing to understand what happened and really just think everybody is just a racist and hates women.
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Nov 11, 2016 15:38
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Hell, look at the D&D thread about what went wrong (I won't quote posts because I don't know if that's kosher). But you have people seriously posting that maybe she just didn't stress enough about how she'd be a woman president and break the glass ceiling. And others posting about how it was really the polls that failed her and if she'd had better data she would have done things right and won. The bubble still exists and while I hope it gets smashed so the party can move forward I'm not sure if it will.
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Nov 11, 2016 15:49
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Peel posted:tbf she probably would have won with better data But that still goes to the central premise of third way-ism that she could have just slightly tweaked something to gain a few more votes from a certain demographic. At the end of the day her and the DNC were so completely focused on data and virtue signalling that they completely lost touch with the country. They lost it so badly that our next president is Donald loving Trump. Better data wouldn't have made her a better candidate.
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Nov 11, 2016 16:08
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Condiv posted:speaking of, what kind of horrific debt do you think the shittastic DNC leadership left us from this election? how much do you guys think they overextended themselves expecting a constant stream of "donations" after hillary won? I'd also be interested to see what happens to the Clinton Foundation now that their power and influence in DC is heavily diminished. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say donations, especially from foreign governments, fall considerably.
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Nov 11, 2016 16:09
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TyrantWD posted:People don't believe those claims, no matter how credible or detailed a plan you lay out. A steel worker is not going believe that the green energy factories are coming to their town, or even if they did, that they would be given jobs in it. When coal miners were interviewed over the last year, they all said the same thing - "I'm a coal miner, my dad was a coal miner, mining coal is all I know how to do.". If you promise to bring back coal, and that steel mills will be hiring tens of thousands of workers - people are going to support that over the idea that they have a place in the new economy. "We're going to build a factory" is a lot more concrete and real than "We're going to make some funds available for re-training after we ship your job elsewhere so some shareholders can make a 1% increase on the stock price but it isn't going to matter because there isn't anything around to be trained to do anymore because everything is dead, thanks".
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Nov 11, 2016 16:41
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tadashi posted:People hated Hillary so much that she swept the Southern states and crushed Bernie in Pennsylvania. Counterpoint: 
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Nov 11, 2016 16:45
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tadashi posted:People hated Hillary so much that she swept the Southern states and crushed Bernie in Pennsylvania. To more seriously reply. Yes, the democratic establishment loved Hillary. They loved her so much they did everything in their power to make sure she became the nominee without having to struggle through a tough primary and then they did everything in their power to make sure she became president. The thing was that nobody other than the democratic establishment loved Hillary and a lot of people outside the democratic establishment downright hated her.
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Nov 11, 2016 16:49
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Peel posted:Harry Reid's statement: http://www.reid.senate.gov/press_releases/2016-11-11-reid-statement-on-the-election-of-donald-trump#.WCXUjsQ8KnM Harry Reid can gently caress off. Nobody bought the Trump is a russian plant thing Harry. You can stop talking about Vlad.
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Nov 11, 2016 16:51
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Found this for the dead candidate thread but I wanted to post it here to in order to remind everybody of the evening when C-SPAM peaked. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajdSgvmj5Ps
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DaveWoo posted:
Just like we all took a hard look at his hard abs. Save us MO'M.
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Peel posted:that's uh, not the main thrust of that statement No, but he couldn't help to bring it up. He can still gently caress off though. He was part of the group that did everything the possibly could to bury Bernie and hold up Hillary.
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Nov 11, 2016 17:11
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quote:While Ellison appears to have broad support as a young African American face of the party who can bridge the Sanders-Clinton divide and — as one of the few Muslim members of Congress — stand at the front of the anti-Trump vanguard, already some Democrats have started wondering aloud about the various chair candidates’ commitments to reaching out to the working class white voters who backed Trump versus doubling down on Democrats’ existing coalition. Others have already raised red flags that there are no women whose names are circulating for position The democratic party can't even get out of its own way.
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Nov 11, 2016 17:49
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TyrantWD posted:The Democrats put forth complex solutions to a complex problem - but these voters are not the type to care for that. Paul Ryan will poo poo on them for 8 years, then when Trump is not on the ballot, some will swing back to the Democrats for a cycle or two and so on and so forth. The thing you're refusing to accept though is that just because a solution is complex and intersectional does not make it a good solution.
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Strep Vote posted:Rigging the process is all Democrats know, apparently. I guess they think the electoral college are basically superdelegates?
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Nov 11, 2016 18:17
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TyrantWD posted:What did Trump do other than promise to bring coal and steel back? Retraining people to work in the manufacturing jobs of the future does not appeal to anyone, and that's probably the only way out for these communities. Why do these voters vote so heavily for a Republican party that explicitly runs on all of the things that would hurt their communities even more? It's not like Berniecrats are dominating in rural America. Okay, you're trolling right? You don't actually believe these things, right?
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Nov 11, 2016 18:20
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:They did absolutely everything in their power to not figure it out, even with tens of millions of primary voters screaming it at them. Yeah, I'm with you on that. Trump emerged more due to the fact that unlike on the Democratic side there wasn't a single establishment figure for people to rally around against him. Instead you not only had the normal Jesus vs. Business options but you had like half a dozen of each. By the time the field narrowed it was to late because Trump had all the momentum.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Hey also the "lol Venom Snake is only 20!" comments are dumb and bad because he is legit trying to figure things out. The whole reason we're in this mess is because the Democrats have been sneering at people we view as "below" us. Yes absolutely fight like hell to convince people of your ideas but stop loving writing people off because they're this or they're that. I was about to post something about how I agreed with you because Venom is trying but lacks the perspective they need to understand what happened because they're 20 and lack the life experiences and interactions with people they need to understand what's going on outside the DNC bubble. But then... Venom Snake posted:i know trump just got elected but can we not call jewish people rats
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Venom Snake posted:Chuck Schumer is a craven opportunist willing to sell his grandma for political power dude. Just don't call people rats okay? Please? The rats fleeing a sinking ship metaphor has nothing to do with religion and tone policing regardless of context is part of why the Democrats are mocked.
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Venom Snake posted:lol why is it so hard to just call chuck out for what he's done in the past and his lovely policies. Because it is a common turn of phrase that is very applicable to the current situation with the DNC. Clinton supporters are fleeing like rats off a sinking ship. And I think it is something that's important for people to realize as part of the autopsy on this election. If something says something like "rats off a sinking ship" and the response is to tell them that is toxic because it includes the word "rats" and sometimes people who are racists call jewish people rats and therefore you should not use that totally unrelated phrase because this is a safe space ...well, all that does is cause people to tune you out and not listen to anything you have to say. If the democrats want to recover they need to spend less time tone policing and more time solving real problems.
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