ThndrShk2k posted:

It's more likely they pre-judged any dissent as the enemy, and thus sexist or racist.

logikv9 posted:

Zythrst posted:

Please please please ask about DAPL.

Tatum Girlparts posted:

I mean I guess it's me still being a ~pragmatist~ but I just can't imagine a mindset of 'yea he's basically perfect for the job and has done literally what we need before already...but he did a thing I don't like...' being any less dangerous than the one of 'uh clearly we can learn nothing from this and we just need to repackage Clinton as a cute young black guy to win????'

etalian posted:

Bad dems had their chance, they must be replaced with progressive leadership.

Al! posted:

its actually hidden in a chocolate bar but hillary bought them up and is currently having her remaining staff unwrap them all so she can be the only one who gets one

NumberLast posted:

It's not about purity it's about having a comprehensive and consistent platform that you stick to.

Venom Snake posted:

it's either incredibly sad or amazingly uplifting that the left is going to regain control of the democratic party with only very minor resistance. If you went back in time and told yourself that progressives would take control of the DNC with the support of chuck schumer would you believe yourself.

Tatum Girlparts posted:

These facts don't have to be oppositions, we can say that we have failed the working class without pretending this is some kinda weird noble savage thing where the poor backwards babies just don't know what a goddamn starbucks is and they got tricked by the mean orange man. Working class people are hurting, they need a hand extended to them, but also a lot of them place the blame on minorities and poo poo, and those people need to be told 'maybe shut the gently caress up'.

Tatum Girlparts posted:

This is a good start, but when even Sanders is talking about 'white working class' the anxiety grows.

Abrasive Obelisk posted:

When is the Keith Ellison interview? I don't think MSNBC is showing it?

Peel posted:

the thing is, outside this thread i encounter quite a few poc commentators reporting on and despairing at people jumping on the 'white working class appeal' bandwagon at the concrete expense of anti-racism. i think this thread is pretty good, but sometimes i get that sort of feeling, and there's no guarantee it won't slip over time as people tunnel-vision on the thing we want to actively change, which is class politics. or maybe they're all overreacting, but 'ignore what i see members of group x being concerned about' doesn't seem like a good start in not ignoring the concerns of group x

Peel posted:

this is a fair question. i don't know if there there was a strategic mistake re racism, but the potential mistake going forward would be to not concentrate efforts on fighting the barrel-load of racism likely to come down the pipe from the trump admin and gop congress, leading to minority disengagement (base disillusioned from their concerns being ignored you might say) and also minorities just plain not voting because gop governments won't let them

Peel posted:

this is the part of dem autopsy racechat where someone assumes anyone trying to highlight race is a clintonite shill out to undermine the revolution, which is exactly the defensive reflex that will lead people to actually ignore race

'people are worried about this so watch out' should not be this controversial

Venom Snake posted:

powercrazy

Lastgirl posted:

criticism of a female's policy as "rape"

jackofarcades posted:

You know, there's nothing wrong with criticizing free college as not going far enough. I mean blatantly trying to judo it like Hillary did was dumb, but we can critique it.

Black people can say "yeah I can get free college, but I'm still less likely to get a job than a white person with less qualifications." And they can say "I can get an education, but that won't stop a cop from unjustly shooting me and getting away with it."

But it's also not going to help a lot of white voters who feel "I got a high school degree, that should be good enough for a high paying job" or whatnot?

... It's a little unfair, sorry. I don't mean to do that. I do mean to say that it's not unreasonable for PoC to look at Bernie's platform and be like "okay, what else you got?" Maybe it would've been enough to stave off the collapse in the Rust Belt, but it definitely left a lot of people feeling cold.

That's cool. Bernie doesn't have to be everything for everyone and we can take his vision and move forward with it, combining it with other parts of the dem platform and appealing to a bigger tent.

jackofarcades posted:

Your last point is big. A lot of Dems are reluctant to criticize some of these Dem controlled govts. The problem is that those with power protect the machine, even when it's Dem-controlled. People gotta put those govts on notice... but, like, people in Ferguson just don't vote a lot. Dems really need to rally these voters too.

Peel posted:

i'm a british socialist here because it's interesting, important and akin to recent events in my country (the price of being a metropole is foreigners butting in). i paid little attention to the clinton campaign because it was a generic left-neoliberal operation of no special interest. i believe in democratic control of the means of production and consider increasing inequality a perilous threat to humanity in the longer term. i've said nothing whatsoever to suggest an affinity for neoliberalism besides thinking that anti-racist politics are important and powercrazy is accusing me of opposing a raise in the minimum wage, for some reason

you won't be able to get on with the job until you stop refighting the primary

etalian posted:

Trump supporters attacked the cast of SV at a LA bar and got thrown out

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/12/kumail-nanjiani-thomas-middleditch-trump-supporters

Atrocious Joe posted:

Has this thread already discussed how Dems may look dumb if they condemn people who voted for Trump as monsters after they ran a candidate that voted for a terrible war?

iospace posted:

Maddow about to have a new DNC Chair candidate on.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

so who was the dark horse DNC chair candidate supposedly announcing on maddow tonight

Zythrst posted:

Want to make bets if he gets asked about it?

Zythrst posted:

OH poo poo!

Atrocious Joe posted:

Identity politics is a dumb phrase that apparently includes Marxism at this point since that focuses on people's identity as workers or capitalists.

Identity politics is whatever you want it to be in your heart.

drat lastgirl got to post this complaint before me

theHUNGERian posted:

Sorry for the day crew question, but given that none of the news outlets I follow predicted this outcome, I am worried that I live in an echo chamber. What news outlet(s) should I be following to get the most balanced news coverage? Laughing in my face while saying "they all suck" is an acceptable answer.

Beachcomber posted:

Helpful/hurtful?: posters and billboards reading "what class are you?"

I feel like most people just assume they're middle class and have never even considered that they're not

Neeksy posted:

Since Trump has to fill more than 2000 staffing positions in a few months and considering his ability to vet anybody, should leftists start applying for jobs there in droves to either overwhelm the system or become intentionally-useless employees?

Battle Royale Baby posted:

What about grabbing dick? Is trump equal opportunity?

Lastgirl posted:

Unfortunately it's the insane conspiracy theorists that are equipped with ARs and bunkers and can hole out for weeks.

Lastgirl posted:

That is true.

Westworld so good rn, they'd have to miss out on it


What does this have to do with people having military grade weapons hiding out in the Appalachian wilderness during the 2nd civil war

Thoguh posted:

Also this probably won't be popular here but I think it would be a bad idea for progressives to make blanket amnesty for undocumented immigrants a big platform plank. Better to focus on things like reforming the immigration process and going after businesses that hire illegals.

loquacius posted:

I can't think of any specific examples for my argument because there's no way I'm going to Maddox's website as an adult over the age of 17 so I'm working off decade-old memories

Battle Royale Baby posted:

It’s about a group of people who routinely prize their privilege above ALL else. Period. We don’t get those voters. We don’t want to get those voters. We turn out our base and we don’t even have to worry about this.

Al! posted:

ahh hell lets give him another chance, whadda you say? Hes been doing a pretty good job so far with the dems

Battle Royale Baby posted:

I’m just mad as hell to see Bernie bros. cynically losing this lost to try to once again steer us to their hopeless utopia. I’m not about that life. No, we are not going to back of the bus because you desire most of what Trump does only you desire it from the left. Take that poo poo and walk. It ain’t right and it sure as hell ain’t progressive.

enraged_camel posted:

Just like those who think social issues are just a distraction are socially privileged.

bump_fn posted:

im a big dumb idiot why is free college racist