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straight up brolic posted:Lonzo Ball does not have the look His first college basketball moment was ending someone's life with a massive alley oop and he plays like a NBA Jam character, so i strongly disagreee
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Ty1990 posted:I thought he was the best shooter out of the Fultz/Smith/Fox bunch? That's not saying a ton but yeah. He's not a great shooter yet but I don't think it's a huge weakness
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It's a really bad year for doofy looking Euros, sadly.
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Kibner posted:Still better than MKG's. His goes in so yeah
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It's a deep draft but there's a pretty healthy gap between Fultz and everyone else based on what I've seen so far, even though I would like to legally adopt Lonzo Ball
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straight up brolic posted:Malik Monk is def going to be a #bucketgetter Yeah I really like him, although there's a chance he measures at like 6'2" which is still kinda iffy for a SG unless he goes somewhere with a PG who can cover for him defensively Declan MacManus posted:He's kinda short and Is Not A Point Guard so that's probably going to be an issue defensively There is an army of wings in this draft who are amazing prospects aside from the giant caveat that they can't shoot at all MourningView fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Dec 30, 2016 |
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I dunno it's hosed up but if it works I guess it works. His percentages weren't that great in high school but his crazy rear end dad had he and his brothers taking pull-ups from like practically half court so who the hell knows. He's skilled enough that he still has a lot of value even if it drops off a bit.
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straight up brolic posted:i thought his brothers have normal form iirc and lonzo ball is like the devils son and the worst of them? They all have goofy looking shots but Lonzo's is definitely the weirdest. The middle one is the worst player. Lonzo's the worst shooter but the best overall player of the 3, but the youngest might pass him if he keeps growing. MourningView fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Jan 4, 2017 |
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Taking Ball and asking him to play off ball with Simmons as the functional point guard seems like a tremendous waste
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straight up brolic posted:then it shouldn't be a mock and they should just rank the prospects (I agree) Doing a mock this far out is kinda dumb since the order is still really in flux and presumably they call it that mostly so they'll pop up when people google "NBA mock draft" Their actual mock once they start doing it for real tends to be pretty solid
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Declan MacManus posted:At 6'3, Monk could be just fine defensively, especially if he's defending point guards. I don't think he has any physical limitations besides a potential wingspan issue Being short for the position and having a bad wingspan tends to bode very badly for defense
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It's one game. His form is hosed up though.
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aBagorn posted:I have to guess that the Celtics, should they luck into #1 via the Nets pick, would take Jackson in a heartbeat He'd be really hard to play with jaylen brown. I also don't think you could sell me on taking anyone over Fultz right now, regardless of the team
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Probs want to make sure Giles has working knees first
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He says he won't but he could. He'll be 19 and a year removed from high school
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I genuinely do not understand how there is a debate over who the top pick is right now
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Declan MacManus posted:Free throw shooting form tends to be totally separate from a jump shot form, so besides jitters, if he's still working out kinks on one, it might not show up on the other. They tend to correlate really well outside of very rare cases like Bruce Bowen. Low FT% but high 3 pt% is a pretty good sign that someone's 3 pt% might be a sample size fluke that won't carry over (good recent example is Justise Winslow). I think college FT% actually has a higher corellation with NBA 3 pt% just because the sample is larger E: the best formula people have found for projecting NBA shooting is some combination of college FT% and 3 point attempts as far I know, but maybe there's been a recent breakthrough there I missed MourningView fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Jan 20, 2017 |
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Lockback posted:I hope you appreciate how much more of a nerd you sound like these days. I willing served as a unpaid internet janitor for an increasingly obscure website for like almost a decade I was never very cool
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The thing is he's really really good at everything else, so even if he has to rework his shot you can still get value out of him. He's super athletic and by far the best passer in the draft.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Nerlens might have gone #1 if he hadn't gotten hurt. Although the Cavs were picking so who knows. He probably would have but no one was especially thrilled with it. Everyone hated that draft.
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euphronius posted:I remember seeing Bennett play hard for like 4 minutes in summer league once and he looked good . Then he started walking down the court. I was at that game, he had like two dunks and a three and he Internet inexplicably decided that he was good, it was really weird. I think Issac is fine, but I LOVE Smith
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straight up brolic posted:Ball was loving terrible in that first half. Lack of speed is really noticeable. Holiday came in and was able to immediately split Oregon's half press for easy looks. Lol
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straight up brolic posted:oh my god The Ringer just ran a draft big board column where they couldn't recognize man from zone re: Fultz defense Was it Tjarks? He legit might be the dumbest person covering the draft for a relatively high profile outlet.
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The Jazz getting to roll the dice on Giles at the end of the first would be amazing
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pubic works project posted:Who the gently caress is Justin Jackson? Wing for UNC. He was a top 5-10 guy coming out of high school, but then wasn't very good his first two years. He's shooting like 10% better from 3 this year and having a really good season. I am skeptical MourningView fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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straight up brolic posted:Justin Jackson is on the McAdoo program. Tank your stock then revitalize it as an upperclassman McAdoo was able to revitalize his stock all the way back up to "literally not even drafted" it was very impressive
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pretty dumb yeah Also re: the 3 point shooting MourningView posted:They tend to correlate really well outside of very rare cases like Bruce Bowen. Low FT% but high 3 pt% is a pretty good sign that someone's 3 pt% might be a sample size fluke that won't carry over (good recent example is Justise Winslow). I think college FT% actually has a higher corellation with NBA 3 pt% just because the sample is larger
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Yeah I don't see the Williams similarity at all
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The list of guys who were terrible ft shooters but good 3 point shooters is not a very long one. You'll occasionally get a Bruce Bowen who trains himself to just hit corner 3s but there tends to be a strong correlation.
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Winslow was also ungodly awful on 2 point jumpers in college, which was another thing pointing to his 3 pt% being a fluke. Not sure how Jackson is on those
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Paul Zuvella posted:Is LiAngelo Ball even considered a real NBA prospect? I didn't realize he was in college next year. No, he's the bad one
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I mean "bad" is speaking relatively. He's a pretty good shooter and a legit DI prospect, but he's really slow and not a great athlete. He'd probably be a mid major player if he didn't have two brothers that UCLA really wanted
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Their offense is literally "let the coach's kids take a million terrible shots"
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C. Everett Koop posted:IANA Scout or a GM, but watching Swanigan against Iowa State last night really soured me on him. He looked slow, useless on D more than three feet away from the basket, his O was all rudimentary moves by the basket that won't fly in the pros save a couple decent long shots, and his rebounding didn't seem to be anything special. He looked to be a below the rim big who might have a game suited for Big Ten play but I don't think it translates to NBA play at all. He might need to lose another 25lbs or so and see if he can translate to a wing since I think he's what, 6'8" 250lbs now? But his lack of speed would hurt him even more there. There is a lot to pick apart with him but "unimpressive rebounder?" Come on.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Duncan. And if he somehow stays, I guess John Collins. Duncan would have probably gone 1st any year after his like sophomore season, he didn't really raise his stock
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As I said earlier, your feeling on the UNC Jackson is going to depend on whether or not you buy him suddenly shooting 10% better from 3 being sustainable. The biggest reason he fell in the first place was that he never developed as a shooter the way people hoped he would out of high school. He is now but generally it's right to be suspicious of sudden dramatic improvement late in your college career when you're older than most of the people you're playing against
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Rick posted:Man more and more mocks putting Fox ahead of Dennis Smith. That's nuts. Fox is gonna be one of those Elfrid Payton type guys who is good enough sporadically to start for way to long and kill his team Criminal Minded posted:How do you guys like the Iguodala comp for Jackson? I've seen it a lot and I know comps are really reductive and lazy but it does seem on point. Of course, I am a terrible scout. It's pretty good I think. Dunno if I like him quite as much defensively but they have really similar offensive games and playmaking abilities. I don't really get the Tatum/Jackson debate I've seen pop up, I like Jackson a lot more. They have similar weaknesses but Jacksons an elite athlete and Tatum isn't MourningView fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Mar 24, 2017 |
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He's gonna have to bulk up a lot before he can guard 4s
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I think I like Leaf more than I like Fox but he won't go as high The other games have guys who will get a look and could go late first/second round but no real huge prospects MourningView fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Mar 24, 2017 |
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Ball has goofy mechanics but he can still reliably knock down shots if he's open which is still valuable. Rubio is a really bizarre comparison. Fox has looked a lot better for the last month or so but he's still the worst shooter of any guard in the draft and that's hard to work with unless you think he's Westbrook or Wall level athletic. I've probably been under rating him a bit but he's going to come out of the tournament overrated, I think MourningView fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Mar 25, 2017 |
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