|
I remember the protests in Europe against the Iraq war and the open hostility to GW Bush. It was something but it wasn't much. Then Obama was elected and instantly awarded with the Nobel prize. Why not? Everyone likes him. I like him. Obama makes us forget that he spied on our leaders, that he abandoned a shattered Iraq leading to ISIS and the refugee crisis. He makes us forget that the US is still an empire with vassals in the form of friendly dictatorships, and that it fully supports maniacs like Bibbi. Then the annexation of Crimea happened and got the kind of critique the Iraq war should have had. The red scare is back and we all flock to the US for protection while not even beloved American patriot and war criminal Henry Kissinger can convince the west to be more careful when provoking and economically destabilizing the nation with the world's largest nuclear weapon stockpile. Is America under Trump different? What I'm asking is are European politicians going to kiss Trump's rear end while paying him for protection, only complaining meekly if he decides to nuke Iran or put missile silos in Ukraine? This is of course assuming we don't elect our own Trumps and join in on the slaughter.
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 23:48
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 24, 2024 13:01 |
|
|
Mercrom posted:I remember the protests in Europe against the Iraq war and the open hostility to GW Bush. It was something but it wasn't much. Then Obama was elected and instantly awarded with the Nobel prize. Why not? Everyone likes him. I like him. Obama makes us forget that he spied on our leaders, that he abandoned a shattered Iraq leading to ISIS and the refugee crisis. He makes us forget that the US is still an empire with vassals in the form of friendly dictatorships, and that it fully supports maniacs like Bibbi. Then the annexation of Crimea happened and got the kind of critique the Iraq war should have had. The red scare is back and we all flock to the US for protection while not even beloved American patriot and war criminal Henry Kissinger can convince the west to be more careful when provoking and economically destabilizing the nation with the world's largest nuclear weapon stockpile. theresa may (more like theresa mayhem) will rear end kiss trump as much as possible but britain isn't part of europe for much longer president le pen (god forbid) will rear end kiss trump as much as possible eternal chancellor merkel (pbuh) won't rear end kiss trump unless he plays ball manly heterosexual emperor putin will be trump's best drinking bud and/or arch enemy
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 23:53
|
|
I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
|
The trans-Atlantic alliance will survive if that's the question you're asking. Europe's been pivoting to the right too.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 23:58
|
|
|
Mercrom posted:I remember the protests in Europe against the Iraq war and the open hostility to GW Bush. It was something but it wasn't much. Then Obama was elected and instantly awarded with the Nobel prize. Why not? Everyone likes him. I like him. Obama makes us forget that he spied on our leaders, that he abandoned a shattered Iraq leading to ISIS and the refugee crisis. He makes us forget that the US is still an empire with vassals in the form of friendly dictatorships, and that it fully supports maniacs like Bibbi. Then the annexation of Crimea happened and got the kind of critique the Iraq war should have had. The red scare is back and we all flock to the US for protection while not even beloved American patriot and war criminal Henry Kissinger can convince the west to be more careful when provoking and economically destabilizing the nation with the world's largest nuclear weapon stockpile. Certainly a lot of the international respect and goodwill rebuilt by the Clinton and Kerry State Departments under Obama is getting thrown in the dumpster and set on fire as we speak; already Trump future administration officials are reaching out to foreign powers to reassure them that basically everything he said on the campaign trail was hot air, which won't sit well with anyone at all. It's going to be like the Bush years except probably worse. But America won't become an international pariah, especially as the right-wing wave continues to wash across Europe.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 00:01
|
|
|
Quorum posted:Certainly a lot of the international respect and goodwill rebuilt by the Clinton and Kerry State Departments under Obama is getting thrown in the dumpster and set on fire as we speak; already Trump future administration officials are reaching out to foreign powers to reassure them that basically everything he said on the campaign trail was hot air, which won't sit well with anyone at all. It's going to be like the Bush years except probably worse. But America won't become an international pariah, especially as the right-wing wave continues to wash across Europe. Don't forget that US allies poo poo bricks whenever it's even suggested that the US might not come to their aid if Russia/China attacks. Not even the Iraq War changed that and I'm not convinced Trump has any plans to invade anywhere the way that Bush II did when he took office.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 00:04
|
|
|
Quorum posted:But America won't become an international pariah I wouldn't say never. This depends solely on whether or not Trump decides to glass Raqqa (edit: or Tehran). And I'd say we're currently at even odds for the former and non-zero odds on the latter.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 00:17
|
|
|
Hate on England & Wales while you are at it.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 00:44
|
|
|
lol if you ever stopped hating america
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 00:51
|
|
|
Mercrom posted:Is America under Trump different? What I'm asking is are European politicians going to kiss Trump's rear end while paying him for protection, only complaining meekly if he decides to nuke Iran or put missile silos in Ukraine? This is of course assuming we don't elect our own Trumps and join in on the slaughter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsOMEUamYkc
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 01:13
|
|
|
TomViolence posted:lol if you ever stopped hating america
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 01:17
|
|
|
TomViolence posted:lol if you ever stopped hating america It's always the right time to hate America. For when America is great, you can hate America for being better than you. For when America is not that great, you can hate America for being worse than you.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 04:44
|
|
|
You should project an aura of indiscriminate hate at all times. Make it your life.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 04:45
|
|
|
TomViolence posted:lol if you ever stopped hating america
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 04:47
|
|
|
TomViolence posted:lol if you ever stopped hating america Close thread. Question answered. Amerika and UK thug lyfe.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 04:52
|
|
|
By completely loving up a bunch of stuff trump might actually help illustrate how great America always was.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 04:56
|
|
|
asdf32 posted:By completely loving up a bunch of stuff trump might actually help illustrate how great America always was. america: re-becoming the greatness they never weren't
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 11:06
|
|
|
I'm not sure who is more insufferable, Trump supporting retards or Uppity Europeans bandwagoning.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 11:08
|
|
|
Teikanmi posted:I'm not sure who is more insufferable, Trump supporting retards or Uppity Europeans bandwagoning. Someone start WW3 already, death is certain.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 11:12
|
|
|
Mercrom posted:I remember the protests in Europe against the Iraq war and the open hostility to GW Bush. It was something but it wasn't much. Then Obama was elected and instantly awarded with the Nobel prize. Why not? Everyone likes him. I like him. Obama makes us forget that he spied on our leaders, that he abandoned a shattered Iraq leading to ISIS and the refugee crisis. He makes us forget that the US is still an empire with vassals in the form of friendly dictatorships, and that it fully supports maniacs like Bibbi. Then the annexation of Crimea happened and got the kind of critique the Iraq war should have had. The red scare is back and we all flock to the US for protection while not even beloved American patriot and war criminal Henry Kissinger can convince the west to be more careful when provoking and economically destabilizing the nation with the world's largest nuclear weapon stockpile. Because he murdered a shitload of people and tortured their families. Why would anyone be waiting for an "all clear" on that Hate Amerikka Beat?
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 11:41
|
|
|
TomViolence posted:lol if you ever stopped hating america Once the full might of the surveillance state and propaganda machine gets behind trump-sama, then not without serious repercussions.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 11:46
|
|
|
Rated PG-34 posted:Once the full might of the surveillance state and propaganda machine gets behind trump-sama, then not without serious repercussions. True but also remember whose fault that actually is. That's right,
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 11:46
|
|
|
Teikanmi posted:I'm not sure who is more insufferable, Trump supporting retards or Uppity Europeans bandwagoning. Ironically, any European trying to criticize the United States for electing a demagogue in 2016 is going to need a Trump-strength reality distortion field to avoid the fact that half of Europe has elected populists to their head of state in the past 5 years. At least off the top of my head, for both left and right wing populists, but mostly right wing, we have Spain, Italy, Greece, UK (kind of), Hungary, Poland, Switzerland (kind of), Austria (neck-and-neck, we'll see how the re-re-revote goes), Finland, and Norway. France is about to have a harrowing showdown between Madame Trump and whoever the old guard can throw up, and Merkel is going to get trampled next year too. Fortunately, when you hear anyone say something along the lines of what people said when Bush was president, you can know to not waste your time trying to deal with them, as they're hopelessly unaware of their own surroundings.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 12:13
|
|
|
spotlessd posted:True but also remember whose fault that actually is. That's right, James Madison
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 12:20
|
|
|
Mercrom posted:Is America under Trump different? What I'm asking is are European politicians going to kiss Trump's rear end while paying him for protection, only complaining meekly if he decides to nuke Iran or put missile silos in Ukraine? This is of course assuming we don't elect our own Trumps and join in on the slaughter. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Nov 11, 2016 |
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 12:31
|
|
|
Saladman posted:Ironically, any European trying to criticize the United States for electing a demagogue in 2016 is going to need a Trump-strength reality distortion field to avoid the fact that half of Europe has elected populists to their head of state in the past 5 years. At least off the top of my head, for both left and right wing populists, but mostly right wing, we have Spain, Italy, Greece, UK (kind of), Hungary, Poland, Switzerland (kind of), Austria (neck-and-neck, we'll see how the re-re-revote goes), Finland, and Norway. France is about to have a harrowing showdown between Madame Trump and whoever the old guard can throw up, and Merkel is going to get trampled next year too. "Sure we're doing bad things, but other people are doing bad things too and this insulates us from any kind of criticism and collectively absolves us of any blame whatsoever. We need to make sure not to learn anything from this experience."
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 12:34
|
|
|
TomViolence posted:"Sure we're doing bad things, but other people are doing bad things too and this insulates us from any kind of criticism and collectively absolves us of any blame whatsoever. We need to make sure not to learn anything from this experience."  **Actually it's everyone fault at a level or another.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 12:34
|
|
|
Toplowtech posted:IT'S NOT MY FAULT IT'S YOUR FAULT! gently caress YOU!
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 12:38
|
|
|
FactsAreUseless posted:It's actually the fault of an Ohio woman named Patricia Vanderpool, a 44-year-old dental hygienist and mother of two. You probably haven't met her.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 12:44
|
|
|
Toplowtech posted:I haven't meet everybody but i am pretty sure everyone is guilty at some level in that stupid blame everyone that isn't me, myself or I game.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 12:44
|
|
|
To quote Obama, Yes We Can, OP.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 12:45
|
|
|
FactsAreUseless posted:Nope, just Patty Vanderpool.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 13:06
|
|
|
Saladman posted:Ironically, any European trying to criticize the United States for electing a demagogue in 2016 is going to need a Trump-strength reality distortion field to avoid the fact that half of Europe has elected populists to their head of state in the past 5 years. At least off the top of my head, for both left and right wing populists, but mostly right wing, we have Spain, Italy, Greece, UK (kind of), Hungary, Poland, Switzerland (kind of), Austria (neck-and-neck, we'll see how the re-re-revote goes), Finland, and Norway. France is about to have a harrowing showdown between Madame Trump and whoever the old guard can throw up, and Merkel is going to get trampled next year too. The problem is not that they're "populist". Populism is good, to think otherwise is a naked contempt for democracy, for the right of the massed to actually participate in politics. The problem is they are fascists.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 13:14
|
|
|
If this election gives you a new reason to hate America, it should be that a large section of the liberal establishment and their followers think that anti-trump political action would be unreasonable, and that instead we should "compromise", "seek to build understanding" and other 1930s SPD horseshit. I fully expected this because as far as white american liberals are concerned fascism just means they'll get the front seats of the bus reserved for them again.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 13:18
|
|
|
HorseLord posted:If this election gives you a new reason to hate America, it should be that a large section of the liberal establishment and their followers think that anti-trump political action would be unreasonable, and that instead we should "compromise", "seek to build understanding" and other 1930s SPD horseshit. The SPD in the 30s after its losses actually did simplify its message and worked to improve its street presence- they adopted a symbol, even, three arrows! What happened is that by that time the party institutions were in free fall. Papen went in and basically ousted the last SPD governmental stronghold and the Reichsbanner(the SPD paramilitary) did nothing so the SPD became discredited.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 13:23
|
|
|
HorseLord posted:The problem is not that they're "populist". Populism is good, to think otherwise is a naked contempt for democracy, for the right of the massed to actually participate in politics. The problem is they are fascists. Sure, I guess that's a valid distinction, just like nationalism isn't necessarily a bad thing. Most of the nationalist/populist leaders elected recently in the Americas and Europe are also fascists so I guess they're going to be conflated terms soon enough if they aren't already.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 14:32
|
|
|
Saladman posted:Ironically, any European trying to criticize the United States for electing a demagogue in 2016 is going to need a Trump-strength reality distortion field to avoid the fact that half of Europe has elected populists to their head of state in the past 5 years. At least off the top of my head, for both left and right wing populists, but mostly right wing, we have Spain, Italy, Greece, UK (kind of), Hungary, Poland, Switzerland (kind of), Austria (neck-and-neck, we'll see how the re-re-revote goes), Finland, and Norway. Surely you mean head of government? In most countries, the two positions are separate. And please explain: in what way is Erna Solberg a right-wing populist?
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 15:00
|
|
|
Putting missile silos on Ukraine would defintely be welcomed by the EU, OP. The current leaders there fead and hate Putin a thousand times more than Trump and would actually be massively relieved if he didn't cut the NATO gravy train like he said he would.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 15:08
|
|
|
Timo Soini is not the head of state, nor the head of government.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 15:10
|
|
|
Hell of he actually advocates isolationism and ignore the repub fuckers on foreign policy he might be the least harmful President to the world ar large since Carter lol
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 15:13
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 24, 2024 13:01 |
|
|
Panzeh posted:The SPD in the 30s after its losses actually did simplify its message and worked to improve its street presence- they adopted a symbol, even, three arrows! What happened is that by that time the party institutions were in free fall. Papen went in and basically ousted the last SPD governmental stronghold and the Reichsbanner(the SPD paramilitary) did nothing so the SPD became discredited. And also they literally voted for Hilter's policies until they got banned entirely
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 15:17
|
|