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Al-Saqr posted:Oh I'm all for wearing suits and stuff, I just know for a fact that people who view it as their deal breaker are loving liars who wouldn't do anything even if every protestor could scrounge up the money to by Armani suits for every single person protesting. Because underneath that suit a the end of the day is someone they don't view as worthy of having their human rights respected. yeah ok this is extremely fair we're on the same page
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Also it's super funny how this guy points to Greece and forgets that it was precisely the constant country-stopping protests (which included giant riots) that mobilized an entire generation and got people organized and connected which ended up forming the political party that now rules Greece as the current largest political party of the land.
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 16:00 |
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As soon as every protestor is wearing a suit it will just change to "heh, some protest, looks like the only people that showed up are suit wearing millennials on their daddy's dime." There isn't really any combination of clothes that doesn't give people a wish to discount things a way to discount them.
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 16:17 |
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Two Feet From Bread posted:I was just in Greece and watched one of their job protests first hand. It was very well organised, grouped people by dress (suit, business casual, casual, political dress, exc) and age (very old all the way to small children). They all chanted the same message, started exactly at 6PM, and followed the predefined route with police escort the entire way and all roads were blocked off hours in advance by the police. So no motor traffic. As "someone from the outside looking in", who followed the protests in LA live, they were meek and uneventful. Compared to Greece it was like watching a kindergarten excursion. I'm pretty sure that I at one point saw hundreds of people standing around a police officer, listening to him talk. Wowzers! What happened to US protest culture?
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 16:35 |
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:Save the molitovs for the National Guard, jeeze. Yeah, the guys who've been fighting the foreverwar for the last 15 years are going to go real easy on rich white kids trying to light them on fire. Sheesh.
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 16:44 |
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Kilroy posted:People talk about the MLK / Malcolm X dichotomy a lot but they too often seem to use it as evidence of "we need more / less organization and more / less violence or threat of it". The whole point of doing a protest in the way I'm suggesting is so that you have it as a point in your favor when the hammer comes down as it certainly will. If you were already acting like an rear end in a top hat when it does, no one is going to care. "you should wear a suit to your protests like MLK did, so you can get shot in your suit like MLK did" great advice there champ
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 16:50 |
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Hi, thanks for the expatriate perspective! I had little complaint on talking about the subject of "wear a suit" or not, the dress code of a protest is a totally valid thing to discuss. It was the fact that he chose to direct it at KM, a production manager in Hollywood, with the condescension of "when you get a job" that made that completely unacceptable. If you're not a posting friend at the Disco, it's easy to fail to notice that there is a really consistent pattern for people to constantly take potshots at the openly black members of this board, and that's simply not going to be a part of this thread. Personally I believe how respectful a protest may appear is less important than how difficult it is to ignore these days, but that might be a side effect of constantly listening to Trumps rhetoric for the past 4 months. That's just my opinion of the current climate though, and could easily be a misreading! A big flaming stink fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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A production manager in Hollywood should probably not try to pass himself off as the Lorax of the poor and disenfranchised, who he apparently presumes to be something like Dickensian street urchins. I am reasonably positive that guy owns several suits, and simply imagines it suits his Internet persona to pretend he doesn't.
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 17:36 |
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:A production manager in Hollywood should probably not try to pass himself off as the Lorax of the poor and disenfranchised, who he apparently presumes to be something like Dickensian street urchins. I am reasonably positive that guy owns several suits, and simply imagines it suits his Internet persona to pretend he doesn't. Oh gently caress off with this. Dressing up nice doesn't get peoples' attention. Having 1000 people (wearing whatever they want) respectfully marching together in solidarity does. That's what we did this weekend and we're getting very favorable coverage in local media.
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 17:57 |
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Svartvit posted:As "someone from the outside looking in", who followed the protests in LA live, they were meek and uneventful. Compared to Greece it was like watching a kindergarten excursion. I'm pretty sure that I at one point saw hundreds of people standing around a police officer, listening to him talk. Wowzers! What happened to US protest culture? It's probably the "wowzers" that capped it off but I read this in "Max from Life is Strange" voice
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Svartvit posted:As "someone from the outside looking in", who followed the protests in LA live, they were meek and uneventful. Compared to Greece it was like watching a kindergarten excursion. I'm pretty sure that I at one point saw hundreds of people standing around a police officer, listening to him talk. Wowzers! What happened to US protest culture? American protest culture has always been neutered, with the exceptions of the rioting that's followed in the wakes of various dead black dudes. I have a hard time imaging a Euromaidan style situation unless a cop beats a 4 year old to death, shoots three different black men, and then fucks your mom while wearing a cowboy hat and proclaiming his hatred for all things brown loudly in front of smartphones everywhere and still gets off scot free.
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 21:07 |
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To protest newbies: The nonviolent civil disobedience narrative is false. Peaceful protest does not work. Social movements are complex with many dynamics, but we know from history that direct action has the best chance at working. If you don't like certain actions that the media and police deem "violent," that's perfectly fine. But you should never prevent others from taking action. And never, ever snitch.
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 23:11 |
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Big disorganized protests are also lousy with undercover cops so if some rando comes up to you talking about how cool it is to commit crimes, you should go commit crimes with him, stay away from that dude.
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 23:23 |
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:A production manager in Hollywood should probably not try to pass himself off as the Lorax of the poor and disenfranchised, who he apparently presumes to be something like Dickensian street urchins. I am reasonably positive that guy owns several suits, and simply imagines it suits his Internet persona to pretend he doesn't. Please stop before you run out of extremities to put in your mouth
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 23:54 |
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http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3798064 I've set up a thread called "Effective Leftism" about sharing resources and helping each other push for progressive policies in the world. Please consider contributing to it and sharing any experience or advice you have about protesting and organising there.
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 00:46 |
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:As soon as every protestor is wearing a suit it will just change to "heh, some protest, looks like the only people that showed up are suit wearing millennials on their daddy's dime." There isn't really any combination of clothes that doesn't give people a wish to discount things a way to discount them. The single most terrifying thing to an administration is a diverse protest. If a protest is all one demographic you can write it off as "pfft, uppity (whatever they are) just don't realize how good they have it." If you can get enough groups on your side then you can squish opposition pretty easily. But when you suddenly have a poor black guy standing shoulder to shoulder with an upper middle class white professional guy and they're shouting the same message it's time to pay the gently caress attention because things are very, very bad. The thing to take from this particular election, and the last 8 years, is that Americans overall are just sick and god damned tired of how things are going. Trump tapped into that to get himself elected but the problem there is that if he doesn't change anything, or makes things worse, now he's suddenly part of the establishment that he swore to take down. Aside from that the abhorrent things that racists have been doing over the course of the last year (hate crimes are way, way up) were inspired by his rhetoric. The massive protests cropping up are basically people screaming loudly "we aren't putting up with this poo poo." I really think this is part of why Trump and Friends are toning down some of the promises and platform. Not only is Trump the least popular president elect ever Congress has single-digit approval ratings. Washington just plain can't keep doing what they're doing. Now the Republicans can't even blame Democrats for everything because they're in charge.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:The single most terrifying thing to an administration is a diverse protest. If a protest is all one demographic you can write it off as "pfft, uppity (whatever they are) just don't realize how good they have it." If you can get enough groups on your side then you can squish opposition pretty easily. They sure can. How much of Obama's foreign and security policy over the last eight years did Democrats take pains to paint as Bush's foreign and security policy?
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 01:31 |
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I don't know if the rest of the world is aware but the 2008 financial crisis was caused by the now UK opposition, and the whole world is still recovering from that, which is the reason for all the problems, please ignore that they haven't been in government for six years, it's very hard to fix everything bad they did.
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Lmao I live and work in Detroit in commercial and film production. I am a contractor and I live below the poverty level. I'm speaking from firsthand experience. I own one "suit".. it was a hand-me down from a friend. and yeah you can get an ugly thrift store suit... sometimes. a lot of places who get anything "too nice" sell it online for higher profit. You can your thrift store suit and they'll still use slurs and use something about it (look at those pimps and drug dealers! This is something Bill O'Reilly actually said) to demean you and dismiss your concerns. You are also forgetting that different people are protesting for different reasons. Feminists saying women should be free to wear what they want without being accused of asking for Trump to grope them... Should they wear suits? It's also dumb respectability politics to say to black people yeah well take you seriously when you assimilate and dress like us. Also fyi, I'm a woman, so don't misgender me. Thanks. Koalas March fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 03:57 |
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Once again, is anything happening in Mississippi, Louisiana or Alabama? I will drive wherever, just tell me.
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 09:25 |
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Learn from your euro-protest friends: Wear whatever the gently caress you want: dress up only if 150% sure poo poo wont start. Also bring effigies and fire.
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 11:57 |
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Veyrall posted:Once again, is anything happening in Mississippi, Louisiana or Alabama? I will drive wherever, just tell me. The mobile branch of Socialist Alternative has been pretty active so far, just like every other SA branch https://www.facebook.com/MobileBaySocialistAlternative not sure where else you could look but they already held a rally on the 12th and I'm sure they'll be doing more in the future. I'm a member of SA though there is no branch in my city right now. It made me really happy to see pretty much all of the protests that occurred in the first 24 hours after the election had a presence from SA.
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 12:26 |
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Thank you
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 20:14 |
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Veyrall posted:Thank you Just found this as well: https://www.facebook.com/Alabama-Rally-Against-Donald-Trump-213142452430088/
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 20:32 |
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Apropos, you in Mobile? Last time I went to Socialist Alternative a few years ago... I don't know, felt like some college antics. Maybe I'm rushing to judgement.
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Zapf Dingbat posted:Apropos, you in Mobile? Last time I went to Socialist Alternative a few years ago... I don't know, felt like some college antics. Maybe I'm rushing to judgement. I'm a Chicago member, and they are quite excellent here. My impression is that the quality of the branch can vary alot tho. Kudos to anyone being a socialist in the south
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 22:41 |
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Nah, I'm in Gainesville Florida but I know some awesome comrades down in South Florida who helped start up the Mobile branch before they moved after college. We tried to get a branch started in North Florida but the couple of interested people other than myself who were gonna get the ball rolling moved away after college. I kind of gave up on starting a new org in town just because we have so many activist groups already that I figured my time was better spent helping already existing groups like the local labor coalition than trying to start yet another activist group with 5 people. I'm still a member, still donate, and pay dues to SA and talk em up whenever I can though because I really like the organization and the people in it.
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