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| Magnus +2 or More |
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11 | 32.35% |
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| Magnus in Tie-breaks |
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| Nuclear War |
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10 | 29.41% |
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Guess what time it is? This championship match represents a bit of a benchmark, as it is the first where both competitors are from the next generation of superstars. While this is Magnus’ third title match, the previous two were against one of the last of the old guard in Vishy Anand. Sergei Karjakin, while never seen in quite the same light as Magnus, is himself a graduated prodigy who still holds the record for the youngest age to achieve the grandmaster title. As for the prospects of this match, I expect Magnus to win comfortably, and not just by way of being the better player. The last two matches presented at least a contrast in styles, with Anand’s depth of knowledge and offensive creativity at least threatening Carlsen at times in the second match. Karjakin, meanwhile, is known for his solid defensive chess. This may just be personal bias, but I feel like this is a worse prospect against Magnus’ technique and patience. Karjakin is probably going to be holding on for dear life a lot, and that will put a great strain on his physical fitness over a 12 game match. I don’t know if there will be a political sidepoint to this, although there’s an article or two at least mentioning the possibility. Karjakin is a bit of a notorious Putinite, above and beyond the petty nationalism we expect from national athletes. It would be pretty cool if Carlsen crushed him while wearing a bright, designer rainbow shirt, I guess. Schedule: Carlsen has white in 1/3/5/8/10/12 Karjakin has white in 2/4/6/7/9/11 1: Nov 11 1/2-1/2 2: Nov 12 1/2-1/2 3: Nov 14 1/2-1/2 <--- tight game 4: Nov 15 1/2-1/2 <--- another near win for Carlsen 5: Nov 17 1/2-1/2 <--- Karjakin actually gets an attack but does nothing with it 6: Nov 18 1/2-1/2 7: Nov 20 1/2-1/2 8: Nov 21 0-1 <--- Karjakin... wins? Wild, uneven game. 9: Nov 23 1/2-1/2 <--- Magnus misses a theory move and gets into trouble. 10: Nov 24 1-0 <--- Magnus evens the score in the Berlin 11: Nov 26 1/2-1/2 12: Nov 28 farts TIEBREAKS Nov 30 25 + 10 R1 1/2-1/2 R2 1/2-1/2 Carlsen severely misplays a winning position. R3 0-1 Karjakin falters in time pressure after active middlegame play from Magnus. R4 1-0 http://imgur.com/a/G5xBW Carlsen wins 3-1 All games start at 2PM EST (7PM GST) and take place in New York City. This means that the President of FIDE, notorious despot and lunatic Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, is banned from attending. Broadcasting: Agon got slapped down in court so you don’t have to shell out $15 to watch. I’d recommend chess24 or ICC to follow. I think Agon has Judit Polgar (aka the good Polgar) as its lead broadcaster, while chess24 has Peter Svidler. ICC is probably going with its usual gang of Yasser, Smerdon, and so on. Hand Knit fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Dec 1, 2016 |
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I'm probably going to pay the $15 just to support Chess, even knowing a portion of that will be going to Kirsan's pockets. I expect Magnus to win easily, but it should be interesting.
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Nov 11, 2016 17:49
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Excited for this! I found Ian Rogers' breakdown of viewing options to be useful, although I can't vouch for the cheesecake. Only qualm is that I still feel 12 games just isn't enough for a world championship match. Even 16 would be a big improvement in my eyes. Rooting for Magnus and he's obviously a huge favourite, but Karjakin is a formidable player with nerves of steel. Should be fun.
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Nov 11, 2016 17:58
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I completely forgot this was starting today. Can't wait for some sweet Svidler commentary.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:00
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Svidler/Gustafsson are definitely  but Svidler at least is currently playing in the European Club Cup and won't be around until later on.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:32
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Is Jan a chessgoon?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLHiCS17m0Q
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Nov 11, 2016 19:15
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As a norwegian, I think this is a good time to start learning russian in preparation for the coming annexation from our great friends in the east. They will be the world champions one way or the other. Spasiba.
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Nov 11, 2016 19:26
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King Pawn posted:Svidler/Gustafsson are definitely Haha, it's the ChessBrah team of Eric Hansen and Robin van Kampen. They're young! They're hip! And on youtube, at least https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxBVnjrBDBU
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Nov 11, 2016 20:02
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Also my prediction is a reasonably quick draw, with both of the first two games being mostly probing. Also — Trompovsky! That was not expected.
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Nov 11, 2016 20:03
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It sounds like Svidler and Gustaffson won't be commentating until game 3.
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Nov 11, 2016 20:09
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I wonder if the Tromp is specifically an attempt to obviate Queen's Indian type positions. I guess we'll see in game 3.
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Nov 11, 2016 20:11
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Magnus in 9. Also, ChessNetwork is doing his standard stream schedule for every WCC game as another free streaming option: https://www.twitch.tv/chessnetwork Also I got tickets to go to Game 7. Yay!
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Nov 11, 2016 20:38
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Trompovsky, tribute to great american leader.
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Nov 11, 2016 20:57
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Zteuer posted:Trompovsky, tribute to great american leader. It is to mock me for putting a "slay queen" joke in the thread title. Also Eric and RvK are going on about UFC now.
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Nov 11, 2016 21:01
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Just as I thought, the official paid website is a shitshow.
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Nov 11, 2016 21:02
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And we're into an endgame here, R+N against R+B. I don't think that I could win this position, but I believe that Magnus has chances and can make Karjakin sweat.
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Nov 11, 2016 21:34
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Is there a general chess thread somewhere on these forums? I dont have search and this thread is a bit advanced for me. I like chess though
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Nov 11, 2016 21:52
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A Typical Goon posted:Is there a general chess thread somewhere on these forums? I dont have search and this thread is a bit advanced for me. I like chess though We reside in trad games: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3490241
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Nov 11, 2016 21:54
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I've been watching. Just FYI to anyone who hasn't bought a stream ticket yet there are a few promo codes online for 10% off I used BISHOPD3 The iOS app is a mess but I've managed to get it working.
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gret posted:Just as I thought, the official paid website is a shitshow. At the beginning I think anyone could move the pieces freely as well as reset the pieces/timer so the pieces on the board on their website were moving around like crazy lol expert commentary via iOS app: https://i.imgur.com/XsFxo4N.png
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Nov 11, 2016 22:35
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Magnus really putting the gears to Karjakin, but I wonder how long he can keep on creating pressure.
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Hand Knit posted:Magnus really putting the gears to Karjakin, but I wonder how long he can keep on creating pressure. about 11.5 games 
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Nov 11, 2016 23:28
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These press conferences are great
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dogmother1776 posted:These press conferences are great What's happening?
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Nov 12, 2016 00:32
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Does Karjakin always stutter like he did in the press conference? Magnus seemed a lot less annoyed talking to earthlings than in Chennai.
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Nov 12, 2016 00:48
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I paid the 15 bucks to watch the Susan Polgar commentary, but I missed the beginning of the game. Is there a way to watch a replay on the site?
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AnacondaHL posted:Magnus in 9. Yay this guy is and the past iteration of thread is what got me into watching WCC2013 while I was in the midst of a grad school burnout. I won't have as much time to watch this time around unfortunately since I won't be busy trying to write up things.
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Nov 12, 2016 05:16
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Ruy Lopez today. Looks fairly standard so far.
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Nov 12, 2016 20:07
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some thrilling games NOT
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Nov 12, 2016 23:00
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Game 2 was the first game to sell out of tickets because it's on a Saturday. It's like no one knew that the first games are the boring ones and the middle games are the ones where things actually happen.
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Nov 12, 2016 23:05
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Do they need a rest day every two days?
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Nov 13, 2016 22:13
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V for Vegas posted:Do they need a rest day every two days? Carlsen thinks it's unnecessary, according to norwegian media.
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Nov 13, 2016 22:21
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I'm relatively new to serious chess. Is Carlsen's biggest strength his ability to manipulate a player's relationship with the computer? I know that Anand at least was basically a robot and he kept putting him in scenarios where the computer would get angry or recommend moves with long term holes right?
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V for Vegas posted:Do they need a rest day every two days? Ever since Kasparov-Karpov I ended with Karpov nearly being hospitalized for fatigue, they've increasingly erred on the side of caution. straight up brolic posted:I'm relatively new to serious chess. Is Carlsen's biggest strength his ability to manipulate a player's relationship with the computer? I know that Anand at least was basically a robot and he kept putting him in scenarios where the computer would get angry or recommend moves with long term holes right? This is not entirely wrong. Basically, Carlsen plays for positions where he can play forever. These will frequently be positions that deviate from what the computer considers optimal, since these days all players will be familiar with computer-optimal opening lines and how to steer those into, if not a safely equal position, at least one they understand. By pushing the game away from familiarity, Carlsen hopes that his general skill will have a greater role in determining the game's result.
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Nov 13, 2016 23:12
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chess24 offline for anyone else? Wonder if they are getting overloaded with traffic, or if the Russians got upset with them transmitting the games and knocked them off the air. Edit: looks like it is back up now vyshka fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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vyshka posted:chess24 offline for anyone else? Wonder if they are getting overloaded with traffic, or if the Russians got upset with them transmitting the games and knocked them off the air. The Youtube stream, at least, is up.
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Nov 14, 2016 20:07
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Ruy Lopez Berlin gently caress that. I've seen enough of that in 2013/14.
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Nov 14, 2016 20:10
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Just tuned in, can someone explain Re2 -> Re1? I missed the coverage, and it's befuddling me. Did provoking b6 achieve something?
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AnacondaHL posted:Ruy Lopez Berlin gently caress that. I've seen enough of that in 2013/14. The best development of 2016 was people playing the Giuco Piano because you can get a closed Ruy Lopez position without having to risk a Berlin.
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