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And the winner is:
This poll is closed.
Magnus +2 or More 11 32.35%
Magnus +1 8 23.53%
Magnus in Tie-breaks 4 11.76%
Karjakin in Tie-breaks 0 0%
Karjakin +1 1 2.94%
Nuclear War 10 29.41%
Total: 34 votes
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MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

around and around we go


In under an hour what on earth? Geez, you arrive late to a game around here...

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King Pawn
Apr 24, 2010


The commentators seemed to be saying that allowing an easy draw was a tactical decision on Magnus's part, which makes no sense to me. Surely it's worth at least trying to win?

Hob_Gadling
Jul 6, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS


Grimey Drawer

I'm really disappointed it has come to this. World champion should be chosen with long games, rapid and blitz are for funsies. I will even more disappointed if it comes down to Armageddon and that game draws.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006



King Pawn posted:

The commentators seemed to be saying that allowing an easy draw was a tactical decision on Magnus's part, which makes no sense to me. Surely it's worth at least trying to win?

Carlsen said straight after the game that he wanted a draw because he liked the odds of tiebreakers better than taking chances in a single game.

V for Vegas
Aug 31, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Now this is a good idea I just saw - have the tiebreak before the Classical match.

UnfurledSails
Sep 1, 2011



V for Vegas posted:

Now this is a good idea I just saw - have the tiebreak before the Classical match.

That... actually is not that bad an idea.

MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

around and around we go


That's a very strange idea. That's like saying "let's knock out overtime before we play the game in case we need overtime".

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS






Didn't wc matches used to be "the current champion wins ties"? Kinda like that except you play a quick set of rapids to determine who gets the advantage. :shrug:

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

V for Vegas posted:

Now this is a good idea I just saw - have the tiebreak before the Classical match.

I'm not sure how I feel about giving one player draw odds from the start of the tournament. It used to be how the match was organized (champion retained with a draw), and they got rid of it for a reason.

military cervix
Dec 24, 2006

Hey guys


Eh, penalty shoot-outs is the best way to deal with draws.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

military cervix posted:

Eh, penalty shoot-outs is the best way to deal with draws.

Each player gets a set of 10 constructed puzzles. The player who solves the most correctly wins the championship.

Deformed Church
May 12, 2012

5'5", IQ 81




The tie-break should be chess boxing. If they can't prove their superiority at chess, they should settle it in the octagon.

edit: or real shoot-outs, none of that penalty garbage.

Deformed Church fucked around with this message at 10:50 on Nov 29, 2016

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009



Actually it should be wizard's chess from Harry Potter

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Or parkour.

AnacondaHL
Feb 15, 2009


silvergoose posted:

Didn't wc matches used to be "the current champion wins ties"? Kinda like that except you play a quick set of rapids to determine who gets the advantage. :shrug:

Yes, until 2006 when chess finally got over themselves and reunified the title, meaning the two split title holders (Topalov and Kramnik) couldn't draw to retain the title.

In a general sense, time controls are somewhat arbitrary and all hyperbole aside, having quicker time controls as the tiebreak seems fine. I mean who here cared that even the classical time controls were adjusted from 120+60+20 to 100+50+15 this year? Additionally, Rapid time controls aren't even that bad. It's a good sweet spot to allow deep-enough strategy while pushing the players tactically forward, and is better for spectators as there are no 30-minute think tanks where commentators have to fill the time talking about nonsense, but not so fast that it's just a blur of running play-by-play commentary and computer evals (which when done correct may be even better for spectators but I digress).


tl;dr: gently caress the haters get hype for tiebreaks Wednesday

Doctor Malaver
May 23, 2007

Ce qui s'est passé t'a rendu plus fort

Hand Knit posted:

Or parkour.

:ussr:

For those who didn't get the joke:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/nov/28/russian-chess-champion-dies-after-falling-from-moscow-balcony

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

The Globe gave its sports cover story to the match. It was... well it was something alright:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/more-sports/kelly-magnus-carlsen-and-sergey-karjakin-face-chess-armageddon/article33097418/

quote:

Whether you care about this game or not, it is a storyline that cannot be resisted, and one that Russia will fold into its agitprop.

The players themselves have been careful to keep things cordial, garlanding each other in bland compliments. Maybe the rhetorical dam will break once the event ends, however that may be.

After Monday’s desultory draw, Karjakin said, “Let’s hope there won’t be Armageddon.”

Yes. Let’s hope that.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009



Will all the tiebreakers be played today?

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

notaspy posted:

Will all the tiebreakers be played today?

Yes. Today is the last scheduled day of the championship.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Here we gooo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ecaDYWXoZc

uXs
May 3, 2005

Mark it zero!

I guess there are no free broadcasts with video?

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013





Karjakin's position looking a little awkward to me.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Elyv posted:

Karjakin's position looking a little awkward to me.

I am confident that I could lose either side of that position.

Now that pieces have cleared, I think I prefer black a bit though I don't know if the pressure against a4 is better than the weakness on e6.

e: and now everything comes off. This would be a more interesting position with the colours switched.

Hand Knit fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Nov 30, 2016

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013





Hand Knit posted:

I am confident that I could lose either side of that position.

Now that pieces have cleared, I think I prefer black a bit though I don't know if the pressure against a4 is better than the weakness on e6.

:same:

I think this position seems pretty equal right now, but Magnus is very up on time. Position is probably too simple to really win, though.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009



Why are the rapids Bo4 and not Bo3/5?

Xtanstic
Nov 22, 2007



One step closer to ARMAGEDDON

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Josh Lyman posted:

Why are the rapids Bo4 and not Bo3/5?

Don't want to give one player more whites than the other.

Kilson
Jan 16, 2003

I EAT LITTLE CHILDREN FOR BREAKFAST !!11!!1!!!!111!

How much time is there between games?

King Pawn
Apr 24, 2010


Also given that chess games can end in draws it doesn't really make a decisive result any more likely.

^ 10 minute break, at least according to Jan Gustafsson

AnacondaHL
Feb 15, 2009


Xtanstic posted:

One step closer to ARMAGEDDON

only 13 more draws to go :pwn:

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Karjakin burning time in the opening again.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Karjakin gives two minors for a rook, whoa. This looks like it will be a tough hold for him.

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013





If Carlsen wins this is it over, or do they play out all the rapid games no matter what?

straight up brolic
Jan 31, 2007

After all, I was nice in ball,
Came to practice weed scented
Report card like the speed limit

:homebrew::homebrew::homebrew:



Karjakin should just resign there's no way he can get through this on increment

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Elyv posted:

If Carlsen wins this is it over, or do they play out all the rapid games no matter what?

It's a four game set.


straight up brolic posted:

Karjakin should just resign there's no way he can get through this on increment

Carlsen still needs to prove the win. I mean, he should win this, but he still needs to create how he will actually, technically win.

straight up brolic
Jan 31, 2007

After all, I was nice in ball,
Came to practice weed scented
Report card like the speed limit

:homebrew::homebrew::homebrew:



wtf is Magnus doing

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013





to be honest this is probably what I would have done

of course I also topped out at ~1900 uscf

straight up brolic
Jan 31, 2007

After all, I was nice in ball,
Came to practice weed scented
Report card like the speed limit

:homebrew::homebrew::homebrew:



Magnus is making so many misplays

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009



Was moving the bishop to attack the rook a blunder? I would have thought moving the king to f7 was the better move.

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Teddybear
May 16, 2009

Look! A teddybear doll!
It's soooo cute!




Karjakin is going to escape, isn't he? Jesus.

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