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A Wizard of Goatse posted:The election is over; the people attending the protest either voted or didn't but are presumably aware of the Democratic party. Recruitment isn't about gaining 'votes', it's about gaining workers for an organization with a longer-term goal that needs people to push, and maintaining morale is about keeping them. Activists burn out all the loving time and preventing that is at least as important as reaching out to new people.
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sure why not
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twodot posted:So your contention is that there exists a set of people willing and able to work for your cause, but between now and when their efforts would actually matter, which is sooner than the next election, they will become disheartened, and the thing that will prevent them from being disheartened is the President going to Camp David, possibly with no relation to when the President goes to Camp David, and when their efforts will matter, which again is plainly prior to next election. And further as such we must protest, because our protest may cause the President to go to Camp David, which may encourage otherwise willing workers, and some actual unspecified effect on reality is reliant on that particular body of workers? who in the world would ever feel their struggle validated at having the leader of the free world react to their angry sign and repeated chanting and gently caress off in a giant helicopter to their isolated forest retreat? instead, they should forever march on in their efforts, unfeeling leftist ubermensch above the petty whims of emotion and existential ennui, progressing forward against all adversity without question and without regard for the needs of mere mortal men. they should be more like me, something awful dot com forums user twodot
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I'm of the opinion that Moderate Riots work better because protests don't get covered at all/are a pain to organize but if one (1) brick gets thrown into the window of a CVS or whatever, the subject is covered for days and there is (a lot of the time) some meaningful dialog. The incentives are skewed.
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plenty of reasons to already protest in the streets, but is this thread targeted at all the people who normally decry protests because of the way they are mildly inconvenienced by them?
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joeburz posted:plenty of reasons to already protest in the streets, but is this thread targeted at all the people who normally decry protests because of the way they are mildly inconvenienced by them? I was thinking "people who haven't felt strongly enough about something to attend a protest in the past," but that could also be a motivation I guess.
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joeburz posted:plenty of reasons to already protest in the streets, but is this thread targeted at all the people who normally decry protests because of the way they are mildly inconvenienced by them? The bolded isn't entirely accurate. If I'm joining a protest, it's because I'm willing and knowing that I'm likely to be arrested, beaten and possibly killed in the process. I can't do that in my current situation, as I'm responsible for my child and disabled wife. If something ever happens to them? My life is suddenly worth more as a martyr or prisoner for a good cause. Weaponize that white privilege.
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Talmonis posted:The bolded isn't entirely accurate. If I'm joining a protest, it's because I'm willing and knowing that I'm likely to be arrested, beaten and possibly killed in the process. I can't do that in my current situation, as I'm responsible for my child and disabled wife. If something ever happens to them? My life is suddenly worth more as a martyr or prisoner for a good cause. Weaponize that white privilege. Martyrdom actually requires a much greater degree of personal courage than it takes to stand out on the sidewalk and yell a bit with a couple hundred likeminded people. What you're talking about is just, like, socialization, and you're using your disabled wife as a shield to escape it. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Dec 12, 2016 |
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Dec 12, 2016 15:54
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Your life will never be worth much and you'll never be a martyr, because martyrdom requires a greater degree of personal courage than it takes to stand out on the sidewalk and yell a bit with a couple hundred likeminded people. Way to use your disabled wife as a shield to avoid, like, socialization. I don't see that form of protest as effective, so I don't do it. Fear of "socialization" doesn't come into it. Blocking bridges, shutting down traffic completely and other non-violent, but financially disruptive protest has proven to be much more effective, but requires people willing to be arrested for it. I currently donate material and funds instead.
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Talmonis posted:The bolded isn't entirely accurate. If I'm joining a protest, it's because I'm willing and knowing that I'm likely to be arrested, beaten and possibly killed in the process. I can't do that in my current situation, as I'm responsible for my child and disabled wife. If something ever happens to them? My life is suddenly worth more as a martyr or prisoner for a good cause. Weaponize that white privilege. You misunderstand, there's a number of people across the forum and in this very thread that decry protests that cause traffic increases not because of the risk to the people in it, but that their commute is slightly longer. That's who the statement is pointed at.
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joeburz posted:You misunderstand, there's a number of people across the forum and in this very thread that decry protests that cause traffic increases not because of the risk to the people in it, but that their commute is slightly longer. I was actually one of those. It is annoying to the average person, which is the point of protest in general. The hope is that the average person then puts pressure on their leadership to deal with the problem. Ideally without violent crackdowns.
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