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Trumps Baby Hands
Mar 27, 2016

Silent white light filled the world. And the righteous and unrighteous alike were consumed in that holy fire.
Not many OP’s have the audacity to ask you to watch an entire documentary.

But, there’s just no way around it.

If you want to understand what the hell just happened in the 2016 election, and in your world, then you need to watch this BBC Documentary by Adam Curtis:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fny99f8amM








Seriously. Set aside 2 hours and 40 minutes of your day. Get comfortable. Order a pizza, smoke weed. Be ready to understand that you are not the only person who feels that things have gotten uncontrollably, indescribably weird.








Did you watch it?





Okay, good.


Welcome to HyperNormalisation, America.

Like a lot of millennials, I was too goddamn woke for this election. I saw the strings that controlled the system. Donald Trump was so clearly just a strawman buffoon. “Between you and me, I’m pretty sure that Clinton and Trump are secretly conspiring together, and that it’s all fake,” I’d tell anyone who would listen. “Clinton wins in a landslide, the reins of power are latterly handed to the next stooge, and the world continues to eat itself alive as it spirals into the sun.”

Most people in my social sphere seemed to agree with this. Grad students, people with futures. The spiritual struggle of our age was coming to terms with the idea that we are tiny pieces on a chess board in someone else’s game. Can a chess piece be happy?

I pretty much was. I felt the smug satisfaction of a man who has a heightened awareness of the universe, much higher and awarer than the morons whom consume the news media as if it were real, as if it mattered.

I was floating through life with the help of a few assumptions:

1) Nothing matters
2) I am insane
3) The universe is a programmable entity

You might expect a person maneuvering from that foundation to be a homeless beggar, but instead, here I was: a law student with a Manhattan apartment, handing out dollar bills to every homeless person around me in case one of them was Jesus.

Things were working out!

And then: November 8, 2016. Brooklyn. 12:30am. The street outside my ex-girlfriend’s loft. She had said, “My dad wants me to get therapy,” and I had responded, “I know, you already told me,” and so she’d kicked me out. We hadn’t been watching the election results. Why bother? Obsessing over a pre-determined outcome only gave it legitimacy. She hadn’t even voted. Me, I’d voted for my dad.



Robert Anton Wilson says that the only weapon anarchists have left against the system is absurdity. Voting third party is stupid because that still legitimatizes the system; the best vote possible is one where, instead of a ballot, you mail back a WWII love letter addressed to "Dearest Martha." Imagine, some election worker, opening the envelope, expecting a vote for Trump or Clinton but instead getting word from the front. A powerful blow to the elites. A repudiation of their fake democracy.

And so when I took out my phone and checked the news, it was with some surprise that I learned that Donald J. Trump had essentially been elected president of the United States.

My fake false reality came crashing down around me. I’d been living in a false fake universe.

As it turns out, two parallel universes had been built for the American consumer. A blue universe and a red one.

The algorithm had slotted me into the blue universe, and I’d accepted the evidence of my senses. Hillary wins. The world moves to the left. Nothing changes.

To be honest, I hadn't really been all that enamored of that universe. I’d been looking for a way out, in fact. Turns out, I was wasting my time. It collapsed on its own. The bubble burst. The Real impinged in a way it hadn't since the planes struck the towers. The parameters of this new The Real (Trump wins) ‘popped’ the blue universe, and its denizens are left scattered and shaken. The red universe continues on, since The Real doesn’t conflict with what the red universe was selling to the people imprisoned within it: a republican win.

So what of the survivors of the blue? A lot of them will want to rebuild that universe. You can see it happening in the dem reconstruction thread. Pretty soon it will be up and running on parallel tracks with the red. Plenty of outrage porn for people to bandy about on their social media walls, cool and comforting consensus reality sneaking in to tell people what they want to hear.

But for those of us who wants real change, there’s an opportunity here. The psyche of the American people is still fragile and open. We don’t have to return to the manufactured realities that tell us what we want to hear.

We can do what Putin and his friends did in the ashes of the USSR.

We can do what Donald Trump did.

We can create our own reality.

This thread shall be a place to discuss:
  • Donald Trump
  • Vladimir Putin
  • Aleister Crowley
  • Quantum Mechanics
  • Artificial Intelligence
  • Timothy Leary’s Eight-circuit model of consciousness
  • John Lilly’s isolation tank experiments
  • Jungian Synchronicities
  • Philip K. Dick’s exegesis


Donald Trump has given us a gift. He destroyed people's perceptions of their world, and now we have a brief window where we can rebuild them to our specifications, This is what we’ve been waiting for. This is Consciousness Politics.




:siren: DISCLAIMER :siren:

This thread is totally weird and fun, and I encourage you to be inventive and wild as we approach this brave new world. That said, there's a fine yet pretty discernible line between marveling at our insane reality and actually being insane. The mods have been very gracious and chill in letting us have this space, but neither them nor I want to enable or exacerbate anyone's mental illness.

So, here's some ground rules in the form of advice:

Ground Rules for Being Crazy Without Being Psychotic


In the 60's, a Playboy editor named Robert Anton Wilson came to think that he was being telepathically contacted by aliens from the star system Sirius. He wrote a very successful autobiography called Cosmic Trigger I: Final Secret of the Illuminati.

10 years later, he wrote an intro to the new edition of the book that reads like a disclaimer:

quote:

It should be obvious to all intelligent readers that my viewpoint in this book is one of agnosticism. The word "agnostic" appears explictly in the Prolouge and again and again in the text, but many people still think I "believe" some of the metaphors and models employed here. I therefore want to make it clearer than ever before that

I DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING

This remark was made, in these very words, in a BBC-TV debate with Malcolm Muggeridge and it provoked incredulity on the part of most viewers. It seems to be a hangover of the medieval Catholic era that causes most people, even the educated, to think that everybody must "believe" something or other, that if one is not a theist, one must be a dogmatic atheist, and if one does not think Capitalism is perfect, one must believe fervently in Socialism, and if one does not have blind faith in X, one must alternatively have blind faith in not-X or the reverse of X.

My own opinion is that belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence. The more certitude one assumes, the less there is left to think about, and a person sure of everything would never have any need to think about anything and might be considered clinically dead under current medical standards, where the absence of brain activity is taken to mean that life has ended.

A cynic might think that Wilson was just trying to back away from the whole "hearing alien voices" thing and hide behind the "it was all a metaphor!" defense.... And, they'd probably be right, to an extent. However, there are reasons why Cosmic Trigger remains Wilson's best selling non-fiction book and why it still remains so influential and beloved. He makes a compelling case that it's less important whether the metaphors in the book are "true" versus how "useful" they are in metaprogramming our perception of reality.

quote:

This book deals with what I have called induced brain change, which Dr. John Lilly more resoundingly calls "metaprogramming the human biocomputer." In simple Basic English, as a psychologist and a novelist, I set out to find how much rapid reorganization was possible in the brain functioning of one normal domesticated primate of average intelligence--the only one on whom I could ethically perform such risky research--myself.

Like most people who have historically attempted such "metaprogramming," I soon found myself in metaphysical hot water. It became urgently obvious that my previous models and metaphors would not and could not account for what I was experiencing. I therefore had to create new models and metaphors as I went along. Since I was dealing with matters outside consensus reality-tunnels, some of my metaphors are rather extraordinary. That does not bother me, since I am at least as much an artist as a psychologist, but it does bother me when people take these metaphors too literally...

Personally, I also suspect, or intuit, that the more unconventional of my models here--the ones involving Higher Intelligenc, such as the Cabalistic Holy Gaurdian Angel or the extraterrestrial from Sirius--are necissary working tools at certain stages of the metaprogramming process.

That is, whether such entities exist anywhere outside our own imaginations, some areas of brain functioning cannot be accessed without using those "keys" to open the locks. I do not insist on this; it is just my own opinion. Some people seem to get through this area of Chapel Perilous without such personalized "Guides." I know one chap who did it by imagining a super-computer in the future that was sending information backwards in time to his brain. More clever people may find even less "metaphysical" metaphors.

We live in an exciting time. I don't think of this as "the darkest timeline". The rise of Donald Trump is awful, but its also presented us with an opportunity the world hasn't had since the 60's, one for a real change in consciousness. Our fight against the regressive forces that created Trump, combined with our increasing, bewildering advances in technology, might trigger within us the next phase of evolution, one in which we finally realize our potential.

There are various tools, like the Hypernormalization doc or the mindblowing mathematical reality that there's a very good chance we live inside a simulation, that can help stimulate new perspectives.

However, there are some thing that can have the opposite effect. This is dangerous territory. To quote a very good television show, you can either find your center and your true self, or spiral outward into madness. I know this better than most.

Here are some guidelines that I personally have found useful for not falling into that pit. In this thread I have talked about aliens, AI, occult sciences, holograms and shamans. Far be it from me to cast judgement on what is or isn't valuable theories/tools for conversation. The following are just some suggestions for fellow seekers who chose to swim in the deep end in the quest for truth.

1. Stay away from specific, concrete conspiracy theories like 9/11 Trutherism, Sandy Hook/Boston Bombing Crisis Actors, Pizzagate, ect
.

I'm not saying that these things aren't true. I'm not saying that they are true. I don't believe anything, I'm a pure agnostic. I cannot confirm or disprove any of them, I'm just some rear end in a top hat. I don't know and I can't know. What I DO know is that those are unhealthy, anti-social obsessions. Whether Bush did 9/11 is entirely out of your control. You chose what kind of life you want to live, and a life where your friends and family hate being around you because you want to talk about building 7 is terrible. Also, you're talking about horrible events involving death. If you're wrong about your conspiracy, then you're further torturing the parents of small children who died horribly. Don't. The end result of these particular obsessions is that they take over your life. Look at the guy who just walked into a pizza parlor with a gun. His life is effectively over because he got too wrapped up in an internet conspiracy. Don't make that mistake.

2. If your questioning of reality starts interfering with your everyday life, stop.


This type of thing is an interest, a hobby, not a lifestyle. If you find that you are getting distracted from your work, school, family responsibilities ect. because you're so wrapped up in the idea that they might all just be a projection in your brain, then you need to take a break and refocus yourself on your daily life. You can't study the nature of the cosmos by candlelight if you can't afford candles. Being a functioning human being is more important than all this bullshit.

3. No one is out to get you.

Yes, we are all trapped in a vicious prison by forces that feed off our minds and labor... but those forces are not targeting you specifically. You're just one among billions of people. We're all in this mess together, so unless you're Neo, Agent Smith isn't going to come knocking at your door. If you start to think that people are spying on you or conspiring against you, seek help immediately. It is impossible to live with that kind of paranoia. It's unhealthy and unfun. Call up your most trusted family member or friend and let them know what's going on, and then go from there. If things are really bad, call 911.

4. Take Your Medication

Are the pharmaceutical company's evil corporations intent on taking advantage of the depression endemic to such a hosed up society? Yes. Do doctors overprescribe medication? Yes. Is it all a part of some plot to keep us docile or brainwashed or whatever? Maybe. I don't know. What I do know is that they work, and that's enough. It's good not to be chemically imbalanced and out of control. They will not strip you of that special something that makes you you. They won't make you stop questioning. I'm the wokest goddamm person you'll ever meet, and I take mood stabilizers and anti-depressants. Your basic goal as a living creature is survival, and medication is a useful tool for surviving.

5. Don't try to figure it all out.


You don't have to understand the inner workings a computer in order to start programming it. It's impossible to figure out The One True Nature of the Universe. Philip K Dick spent the last decade of his life take amphetamines, staying up all night, and scribbling 9000 handwritten pages in his quest to identify EXACTLY what had happened to him. At times he thought it was an AI, at other times he thought it was an ancient satellite in space, the soviets beaming mind rays in the stratosphere, three-eyed aliens, Yahweh, Satan, Jesus, and/or a little shepard boy on the island of crete named Tagore. He never was able to settle on one thing, and the strain of the effort killed him. Just enjoy the ride. If the answers come, they come.

6. Don't take any of this seriously.


Everything I've said in this thread is meant to be purely tongue-in-cheek. I made the claim that Donald Trump was trying to summon aliens by playing the Allen Parsons Project, and then made it clear that I was joking. I agree with Wilson: these things are tools for unlocking greater understanding. The tone of this thread is meant to be light-hearted and fun, not dire and serious.



So,tl;dr

1. Stay away from specific, concrete conspiracy theories like 9/11 Trutherism, Sandy Hook/Boston Bombing Crisis Actors, Pizzagate, ect.
2. If your questioning of reality starts interfering with your everyday life, stop.
3. No one is out to get you.
4. Take Your Medication
5. Don't try to figure it all out.
6. Don't take any of this seriously.



I want to be sensitive to the context of the community we're in. This thread is essentially the CSPAM version of a paranormal/conspiracy thread, but if it crosses a certain line then it will become indistinguishable from the threads in that particular dead forum. I also want to be very, very sensitive not to trigger or encourage anyone who seems to be hovering on that thin line between enlightenment and insanity (including myself). We all know people who have crossed that line and had to be hospitalized or worse. Don't let that be you. If the thread becomes more hurtful than helpful then it will be closed.

All of you exist only exist in my mind anyway.

Trumps Baby Hands has issued a correction as of 04:39 on Dec 7, 2016

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Trumps Baby Hands
Mar 27, 2016

Silent white light filled the world. And the righteous and unrighteous alike were consumed in that holy fire.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
this thread gets the baloogan seal of approval
please do not gas or troll or shitpost


lemmy watch that documentary and ponder

Trumps Baby Hands
Mar 27, 2016

Silent white light filled the world. And the righteous and unrighteous alike were consumed in that holy fire.
Vladamir Putin might've just programmed American politics.



So, as the Adam Curtis doc makes clear, the Russians have obtained a mastery of mass psychological programming. And, most ingeniously, it's a mastery that relies on you knowing that its happening.

Putin has successfully obfuscated the American mind. Russia was electronically active in the results of this election, and they want us to know it.

CNN - Feds believe Russians hacked Florida election-systems vendor.

Newsweek- DID RUSSIA INSTALL DONALD TRUMP AS THE NEXT U.S. PRESIDENT?


This Slate articledetails how deeply intertwined with the Kremlin Donald Trump is, and why Putin would find Trump useful:

quote:

Vladimir Putin has a plan for destroying the West—and that plan looks a lot like Donald Trump. Over the past decade, Russia has boosted right-wing populists across Europe. It loaned money to Marine Le Pen in France, well-documented transfusions of cash to keep her presidential campaign alive. Such largesse also wended its way to the former Italian premier Silvio Berlusconi, who profited “personally and handsomely” from Russian energy deals, as an American ambassador to Rome once put it. (Berlusconi also shared a 240-year-old bottle of Crimean wine with Putin and apparently makes ample use of a bed gifted to him by the Russian president.)

There’s a clear pattern: Putin runs stealth efforts on behalf of politicians who rail against the European Union and want to push away from NATO. He’s been a patron of Golden Dawn in Greece, Ataka in Bulgaria, and Jobbik in Hungary. Joe Biden warned about this effort last year in a speech at the Brookings Institution: “President Putin sees such political forces as useful tools to be manipulated, to create cracks in the European body politic which he can then exploit.” Ruptures that will likely multiply after Brexit—a campaign Russia’s many propaganda organs bombastically promoted.

The destruction of Europe is a grandiose objective; so is the weakening of the United States. Until recently, Putin has only focused glancing attention on American elections. Then along came the presumptive Republican nominee.

Donald Trump is like the Kremlin’s favored candidates, only more so. He celebrated the United Kingdom’s exit from the EU. He denounces NATO with feeling. He is also a great admirer of Vladimir Putin. Trump’s devotion to the Russian president has been portrayed as buffoonish enthusiasm for a fellow macho strongman. But Trump’s statements of praise amount to something closer to slavish devotion. In 2007, he praised Putin for “rebuilding Russia.” A year later he added, “He does his work well. Much better than our Bush.” When Putin ripped American exceptionalism in a New York Times op-ed in 2013, Trump called it “a masterpiece.” Despite ample evidence, Trump denies that Putin has assassinated his opponents: “In all fairness to Putin, you’re saying he killed people. I haven’t seen that.” In the event that such killings have transpired, they can be forgiven: “At least he’s a leader.” And not just any old head of state: “I will tell you that, in terms of leadership, he’s getting an A.”

...

In the end, we only have circumstantial evidence about the Russian efforts to shape this election—a series of disparate data points and a history of past interference in similar contests. But the pattern is troubling, and so is the premise. If Putin wanted to concoct the ideal candidate to serve his purposes, his laboratory creation would look like Donald Trump. The Republican nominee wants to shatter our military alliances in Europe; he cheers the destruction of the European Union; he favors ratcheting down tensions with Russia over Ukraine and Syria, both as a matter of foreign policy and in service of his own pecuniary interests. A Trump presidency would weaken Putin’s greatest geo-strategic competitor. By stoking racial hatred, Trump will shred the fabric of American society. He advertises his willingness to dismantle constitutional limits on executive power. In his desire to renegotiate debt payments, he would ruin the full faith and credit of the United States. One pro-Kremlin blogger summed up his government’s interest in this election with clarifying bluntness: “Trump will smash America as we know it, we’ve got nothing to lose.”


It seems almost certain that Russian intelligence agencies were frolicking all over the internet to insure the outcome we got. How much of the bizarre memes and videos we've seen over the past year were cooked up in a Kremlin laboratory? How deeply did Putin and his propagandists penetrate the American electronic reality in order to push their guy over the line? What elements of our culture have been constructed across the atlantic by that mighty giant we thought we had slain.

As you go about your internet life, you now will always have to ask yourself, "Are the Russians trying to shape what I'm thinking right now?"

Which is of course the point.

The new Cold War is much, much scarier than the old one. The old one was for control of the world. This one is for control of reality.

Slow-Scan Shep
Jul 11, 2001

you know, people didn't need trump to lose their minds, they've been doing it increasingly efficiently in the last 8+ years

anyway adam curtis has a pretty fun schtick going, it's entertaining

Slow-Scan Shep has issued a correction as of 10:31 on Nov 14, 2016

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1bX3F7uTrg

Playstation 4
Apr 25, 2014
Unlockable Ben
Baloogan likes sucking Philip K. Dick's dick.

Hell it's a better activity than honestly endorsing these threads blowing his clout as IK.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Sleekly
Aug 21, 2008



this is kinda like living in an old punk song. reality bork is as good an explanation as any lol

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
It is pretty goddamn weird but... it's not that weird.



The U.S. elected this guy president who proceeded to gorge himself on vegetables and ice cream during a hot D.C. summer and poo poo himself to death.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
The cable news programs, though, it's like a cyberpunk dystopian alt-reality.

RT is the best at this. I can barely handle listening to it, so just mute this and watch. They really play up the sex appeal to get angry white American men to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsm4slImzDU&t=230s

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 11:28 on Nov 14, 2016

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Trumps Baby Hands posted:

It seems almost certain that Russian intelligence agencies were frolicking all over the internet to insure the outcome we got.

Considering lately the have been joining in on the "oh god what the gently caress" I assume they didn't think he would win and are now regretting helping an insane vengeful clown become President. They wanted Hill to enter office hated and without a mandate to make it so her position at the negotiating table was reduced. Hope Putin's ready to check out sex tape and past

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

programming reality is good. we'll get correspondence 1 by default and w/ higher levels be able to vote from home even when it's a normal ballot box or knock on every door in a street AT ONCE for gotv

zxqv8
Oct 21, 2010

Did somebody call about a Ravager problem?
Ahh, I only just watched Bitter Lake a few days ago. Loved this stuff since I first stumbled onto All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace.

I have a feeling this one won't leave me feeling any better about the world.

Jaminjami
Jan 26, 2015
http://thoughtmaybe.com/?s=adam+curtis

Brain Curry
Feb 15, 2007

People think that I'm lazy
People think that I'm this fool because
I give a fuck about the government
I didn't graduate from high school



Peel posted:

programming reality is good. we'll get correspondence 1 by default and w/ higher levels be able to vote from home even when it's a normal ballot box or knock on every door in a street AT ONCE for gotv

Trump might have Correspondence and Entropy. Self-propagating memes, and the curses on Bush and Clinton families.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
memes, jack!

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/aza/status/798019865856512000

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
Mother nature and father time are standing by to remind us that strongly held collective delusions aren't the same thing as reality, no matter how much we want to believe.

Trumps Baby Hands
Mar 27, 2016

Silent white light filled the world. And the righteous and unrighteous alike were consumed in that holy fire.
Quantum Politics: Memeing as Viking Incantation

Schrodinger's cat is a horrible analogy. Why? Because everyone has heard about it, and yet very few people are panicked about it.


Page from Robert Anton Wilson's Quantum Psychology.

There's something inherently flawed in S's cat. Maybe the 'tweeness' of the whole thing offsets its radical implications. The cat is dead and alive? Science is weeiirrd, haha, idgi.

Perhaps this visual example of Bell's theorum, where Professor Jim Al-Khalil engages in a card battle with an Quantum Satan, is more illuminating:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voUi8RtmVRw&t=2496s

The whole doc is worth watching, but that part in particular begins to tease out the stunning reality of our holographic universe:

On a quantum level, things do not exist until they are observed.

It's like playing a game of GTA. Everything not in the player's "field of vision" isn't "there". It just exists as probabilities in the game's code.

That should cause you to ask something like, "Wait, are you saying that... I don't know, the moon doesn't exist unless someone is looking at it?"

Yup. That's exactly what Dr. N. David Mermin of Columbia University postulated in his paper "Is the Moon There When Nobody Looks?" Physics Today, April 1985. "The moon is demonstrably not there when nobody is looking," he writes. It disappears.

So what does this have to do with Donald Trump?

Well, as Wilson writes of Bell's Theorem, "The full weirdness of this will strike you when you remember that the classic type of non-local correlation previously claimed amoung humans consists of the 'magical' idea that if a shaman gets his hands on a lock of your hair, anything he does to that hair will have an affect on you." What Wilson is getting at is that old magick technologies, historically banned by the church--due to their desire to have a monopoly on reality programming--might actually have been a "primitive" version of advanced quantum physics. Yes, those shamans may have attributed the success of those technologies to the elemental spirits or what have you, but, if you're willing to look beyond your lifelong materialist brainwashing that says that all non-modern science was mere trickery, you might just learn that the pagans were actually on to something.

Advanced enough Magick is indistinguishable from science, right? Well, maybe it's time we revisit some of that ancient "magick" to rediscover what kind of science they were up to.

The Donald Trumpites certainly did. Just take a look at what this extremely attractive Russian-American blonde woman who I want to marry says about meme magick as "Viking Incantation":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qaTJAeD0-8&t=194s

You see, what if that stuff from The Secret wasn't so crazy after all? What if humans, using ancient technologies, actually can learn to affect things non-locally? To not just reveal entangled particles through observation, but to subconsciously determine their outcome, heads or tails?

To narrow it down further, what about you dear reader? Your reality-tunnel is the only one you can be sure of. If the moon doesn't exist until its observed, then what about other people? Do we only exist when observing each other? Maybe the moon, other people, schrodinger's cat, Donald Trump, the internet, this very sentence, maybe none of it exists until you specifically looked at it?

Perhaps you are unconsciously in command of your entire reality?

Ask yourself, how much attention did you pay to Donald Trump this cycle? Did you experience something of a dark thrill every time he won, came out on top? Did he provoke your emotions? Did you talk about him over and over, the possibility of him winning?

Could it be that maybe it wasn't just we, the American people, that willed Donald Trump into existence?

Maybe it's time you ask yourself:

Did I just make Donald Trump president?

Trumps Baby Hands
Mar 27, 2016

Silent white light filled the world. And the righteous and unrighteous alike were consumed in that holy fire.

Venom Snake posted:

Considering lately the have been joining in on the "oh god what the gently caress" I assume they didn't think he would win and are now regretting helping an insane vengeful clown become President. They wanted Hill to enter office hated and without a mandate to make it so her position at the negotiating table was reduced. Hope Putin's ready to check out sex tape and past

That's definitley the "funniest" version of this debacle: the Clinton's and Putin Machiavelli'd Trump to be the nominee for their various reasons, but then massively self-owned when he ended up winning. It's even better if Trump himself didn't want to win. I prefer the darker version this thread presents, but since the theme here is that you get to decide your own reality-tunnel, I guess you can live in the yaketty-sax universe if you want.

Now, as an insider, let me ask you something: why wasn't Clinton more keen on being an innovator instead of a copy-cat, for the second time in a row? In 2008 she ran a generic campaign and got blind-sided by Obama's "new-media-millenial-centric-Internet2.0" operation. Then, in 2012, she scrapes by in the primary and then uses Obama's "new-media-millenial-centric-Internet2.0" model and gets blind-sided by Trump's "manufacturing a Donnie Darko-esque tangent universe" strategem. Why did she stick with the beer cozies and Lena Dunham when she should have been creating fake-Anonymous Youtube Channels designed to convince alt-righters to support Gary Johnson?

Olga Gurlukovich
Nov 13, 2016

Finally, the right has fully embraced self conscious postmodernism

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

It's okay we just need to train a child soldier to become a memetic clone of barack obama to run him in 2020 in the same conditions as 2008
Then he would fight Trump on the top of Federal Hall

mike12345
Jul 14, 2008

"Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries."





Ok, I made it through the first hour of OP's movie. I'm not averse to cultural theory, but sometimes I get the feeling Curtis is a little bit too enamored with his own metaphors. But tbh that's a problem most people writing cultural studies have. There's a slippery slope where trying to weave a complex network between phenomena in our time becomes a masturbatory exercise that loses sight of what it wanted to convey in the first place. It's like watching some ADHD idea guy mesmerized by his own thinking process, high on some of kind of butterfly theory of intellectual cross-insemination. The second hour will probably tell me why Nancy Reagan's pill habit had something to do with Berlusconi's rise in Italy. I mean it's all nice, very nicely presented and informational. But in the end it's just a poem, no amount of historical videos and referencing literature will elevate it to something more than a gut feeling. A very nicely presented, intellectualized, gut feeling.

Slow-Scan Shep
Jul 11, 2001

blamegame posted:

Finally, the right has fully embraced self conscious postmodernism

quote:

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

iustorum_anime
Apr 4, 2016



Trumps Baby Hands posted:

Quantum Politics: Memeing as Viking Incantation

...

Advanced enough Magick is indistinguishable from science, right? Well, maybe it's time we revisit some of that ancient "magick" to rediscover what kind of science they were up to.


I’ll cut right to the chase:

Pepe the Frog isn’t a white nationalist symbol.

Pepe the Frog isn’t a harmless meme propagated by teenagers on the internet.

Pepe the Frog is, in fact, the modern-day avatar of an ancient Egyptian deity accidentally resurrected by online imageboard culture.

Does that sound like the most b@tsh#t crazy thing you’ve ever heard?

Strap in, friendo. You’re in for one hell of a ride.

When Memes Collide: The Origins of Pepe the Frog

The precise origins of Pepe the Frog are, like all imageboards memes, obscure and unimportant.

All you really need to know is that sometime around 2010, a sad-looking cartoon frog began to trend among posters on 4chan.org and similar “underground” imageboards.

Shortly after, the age-old piece of online vernacular used to express laughter—”LOL”—fell out of favor on these sites.

In its place a new slang term of synonymous meaning rose to common use: “KEK.”

The origins of this trend are much more important. It comes from an odd technicality involving the Korean language and the popular video game World of Warcraft.

Keep that in mind for later.

And so, just like that, two seemingly unrelated elements that would later give life to a deity were arranged in piecemeal fashion. But they remained dormant for several years, up until…

Donald Trump and the 2016 Election


By this time, Pepe the Frog had become the unofficial mascot for 4chan’s political discussion board (a highly despised corner of the Internet fittingly entitled “Politically Incorrect”).

/Pol/ is a place where the unspoken outsiders of Millennial culture gather en masse. Here you’ll find the lonely and depressed, the socially inept, the generational dropouts, and all shades of disenfranchised youth—every one of them united with an unshakable underdog mentality that pervades the forum’s every kilobyte.

To call this place a “white nationalist” or “alt-right” message board is categorically incorrect. /Pol/, above all else, is place where our society’s status quo is mercilessly challenged. It’s a melting pot for well-meaning free thinkers and misguided mad men alike.

It is a place of chaos.

So when Donald J. Trump strolled onto the political scene in 2015, it was a match made in heaven. He immediately became /pol/’s candidate of choice.

And it wasn’t long before Trump was mated with /pol/’s beloved mascot, in typical imageboard fashion:



And then, something very strange began to happen…

The Digits Declare a Deity

One last thing you need to understand about imageboard culture: dubs.

Every post on 4chan and similar venues comes with an 8-digit numerical stamp. This number represents that post’s entry position in the entire posting lineage of the imageboard.

With the amount of traffic these sites get, the last couple digits of this number are essentially a random roll. When a poster gets repeated digits, its called “dubs”, “trips”, “quads”, and so on.

Since a poster can’t know their post number until after they’ve submitted the post, its common for people to “bet” the contents of their message on the occurrence of repeating digits, like so:



When that endeavor proves a successful, a “GET” has been made and the stroke of luck is celebrated.

Out of this practice, a strange phenomenon began to take place on /pol/: discussion threads associated with Trump displayed noticeably frequent GETs.



It wasn’t long before all of these seemingly random elements discussed so far became irreparably tied together within imageboard culture:

* Pepe the Frog (now /pol/’s unofficial mascot)
* Donald Trump (/pol/’s overwhelming candidate of choice)
* Repeating digit post numbers (“GETS”)
* “KEK” (used as an expression of delight, particular in response to Trump’s “trolling” of the establishment, as well as in reaction to unlikely GETs in general)

…and a god was born.



Here’s Where It Starts To Get Weird: The Queer Coincidence of Kek


Soon, it became all the rage on /pol/ to hail Trump as nothing less than god’s chosen candidate.

But which god’s chosen candidate exactly?

The answer is obvious: Kek.

Remember how we learned that “kek” the meme came about from an obscure Korean language onomatopoeia, completely independently from Pepe the Frog?

Well, it turns out Kek is also—and always has been—an ancient Egyptian deity…

A frog-headed one.



Quite the coincidence, wouldn’t you say? “A little,” perhaps you reply.

“A little” indeed, but that’s just the very tip of the synchronicity iceberg. That’s just where this unfathomable string of “coincidences” begins. And where it ends? We just don’t know. Day by day this all getting stranger…

The second major (“little”) coincidence can be found when one looks into what Kek stood for among the ancient Egyptian pantheon:

quote:

Kuk (also spelled as Kek or Keku) is the deification of the primordial concept of darkness in ancient Egyptian religion…

…Like all four dualistic concepts in the Ogdoad, Kuk’s male form was depicted as a frog, or as a frog-headed man, and the female form as a snake, or a snake-headed woman. As a symbol of darkness, Kuk also represented obscurity and the unknown, and thus chaos. Also, Kuk was seen as that which occurred before light, thus was known as the bringer-in of light.

And who else, at this point, had been declared a “bringer of light” into the world by enthusiastic supporters (mainstream and imageboard alike)?



It gets even weirder.

Kek’s hieroglyphic spelling in ancient egyptian? It bears an undeniable resemblance to a certain something:



A person using a computer. Like say, to post on an imageboard?

And so, the Cult of Kek—AKA “Meme Magic”—took concrete form. This new digital “faith” is summed up neatly in this image passed around on all the major imageboards of the day:



It Gets Weirder: Pepe/Keke “Emerges” in Plain Sight on September 11th, 2016

Now, /pol/’s users were—quite seriously—directly attributing all strokes of luck for the Trump campaign (and likewise, all strokes of misfortune for the Hillary campaign) to their benevolent frog-headed deity that spoke to them in dubs.

That all came to a head on September 11th, 2016, when three major, mind-blowing events transpired within 48 hours of each other:

Hillary Clinton fainted or nearly fainted in New York. The overwhelming sentiment of /Pol/ —still reeling from the event—is captured two days later in this post:



(Note this person’s post number.)

Hillary Clinton literally declares Pepe the Frog an enemy of the state with paper-thin reasoning:

quote:

Here’s the short version: Pepe is a cartoon frog who began his internet life as an innocent meme enjoyed by teenagers and pop stars alike.

But in recent months, Pepe’s been almost entirely co-opted by the white supremacists who call themselves the “alt-right.” They’ve decided to take back Pepe by adding swastikas and other symbols of anti-semitism and white supremacy.

What can I or anyone else hope to add here? How bizarre does reality get? How deep does the rabbit hole go?

Oh, I see how deep…

Kek/Pepe’s musical anthem is discovered on YouTube:

Now get a load of this one.

While all of this was happening, one or a few anonymous 4chan contributors discovered an old track from the 80’s on YouTube. A track stamped all over with a very familiar face:



That’s right folks. A B-side vinyl by performer “P. E. P. E.”, sporting a frog with a magic wand.

A frog.

And what’s P. E. P. E. stand for?

- Point
- Emerging
- Probably
- Entering

“Probably.” What are sweet repeating digit GETs all about? Probability.

What is this “gist” of Kekism on /pol/? He speaks to them through dubs. Their ancient Egyptian god of obscurity and chaos “emerges/enters” at “points” of “probability.”

Feel like that’s a stretch? Check out what the full-length vocal version’s album artwork is adorned with:



Don’t see the significance? Let 4chan help you:



(Again, note the post’s number.)

And—hey—who’s that fair-haired man pointed towards Trump Tower’s clock in the artwork?

Gee, I wonder who.

Okay, What The Hell Is Going On?

Most likely? Chaos Magick.

You see, one of the core tenets of Chaos Magick practice (the only mainstay, really) is the creation of magic sigils (also called “glyphs”) to “codify and project one’s Will into the Universe.”

Basically, you make an image that represents your “will” (desire fueled by powerful emotions or altered states) and the universe will take care of the rest.

When a lot of people pool their united willpower towards a single sigil, it's called a hypersigil, and its exponentially more potent.

Pepe/Kek is 4chan’s hypersigil.

Millions of the “little people” that browse 4chan have embedded the image of Pepe with their hatred for Hillary’s alleged corruption, and their hope for Trump’s victory over her in November. Whether they did this consciously or not, its exactly what has happened.

And so far, their hypersigil seems to be working.

Hold Up: You’re Seriously Telling Me Magic Is Real?

Absolutely I am. But you must understand, “magic” probably isn’t what you think it is. It’s not about wand-waving or pentagrams or sacrificing babies.

Magick is actually much less involved than that. As a matter of fact, you’re casting magick right now. You pretty much always are, whether you like it or not.

Absolutely I am. But you must understand, “magic” probably isn’t what you think it is. It’s not about wand-waving or pentagrams or sacrificing babies.

Magick is actually much less involved than that. As a matter of fact, you’re casting magick right now. You pretty much always are, whether you like it or not.

That’s because the REAL magic comes from plain and simple human attention. How you look at reality shapes it in ways that we’re only now beginning to fully understand. Ironically, the science of quantum physics is rapidly bringing the reality of magick to light (shadilay).

https://pepethefrogfaith.wordpress.com/

RIP Syndrome
Feb 24, 2016

mike12345 posted:

Ok, I made it through the first hour of OP's movie. I'm not averse to cultural theory, but sometimes I get the feeling Curtis is a little bit too enamored with his own metaphors. But tbh that's a problem most people writing cultural studies have. There's a slippery slope where trying to weave a complex network between phenomena in our time becomes a masturbatory exercise that loses sight of what it wanted to convey in the first place. It's like watching some ADHD idea guy mesmerized by his own thinking process, high on some of kind of butterfly theory of intellectual cross-insemination. The second hour will probably tell me why Nancy Reagan's pill habit had something to do with Berlusconi's rise in Italy. I mean it's all nice, very nicely presented and informational. But in the end it's just a poem, no amount of historical videos and referencing literature will elevate it to something more than a gut feeling. A very nicely presented, intellectualized, gut feeling.

:agreed:

I watch his movies anyway though, because they're trippy and often full of interesting footage. It's like a long Youtube binge, except with the BBC archives.

Robot Jones
Nov 12, 2016

Whatever Happened to... Robot Jones?

You don't understand quantum mechanics.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene
im going to watch the video, op

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



I am on board with both sides living in a bubble but lol if you think ancient shamans affected things with their minds.

Trumps Baby Hands
Mar 27, 2016

Silent white light filled the world. And the righteous and unrighteous alike were consumed in that holy fire.

chemtrail huffer posted:

I’ll cut right to the chase:

Pepe the Frog isn’t a white nationalist symbol.

Pepe the Frog isn’t a harmless meme propagated by teenagers on the internet.

Pepe the Frog is, in fact, the modern-day avatar of an ancient Egyptian deity accidentally resurrected by online imageboard culture.

Does that sound like the most b@tsh#t crazy thing you’ve ever heard?

Strap in, friendo. You’re in for one hell of a ride.

https://pepethefrogfaith.wordpress.com/

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Man Musk
Jan 13, 2010

Who gets to count the write-in ballots?

I bet they have some stories to tell...

Not NYPD late night patrol quality stories, but probably close

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/jtaylorhodge/status/796473999660355584

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
when ur incredibly obese and have jacked ur dick raw to hentai ull take what magic power you can muster

suburban virgin
Jul 26, 2007
Highly qualified lurker.
If any of this stuff actually worked as true meme magic rather than regular symbology then surely we'd be seventy or so years deep into the thousand-year Reich by now? The swastika was and remains one of the most powerful symbols on earth, and at its height it motivated one of the largest cults of wild-eyed true-believers in history. And it wasn't defeated by a counter symbol, whether the starts-and-stripes or the hammer-and-sickle, but through the day by day movement of guns and butter and the slow work of heavy industry. If meme magic allows us to select and control our reality, why are so many cults of meme magicians defeated by boring old policework and uninspiring state bureaucracy?

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Fargo Fukes posted:

If any of this stuff actually worked as true meme magic rather than regular symbology then surely we'd be seventy or so years deep into the thousand-year Reich by now?


Who says we're not?

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene
is the cuck meme magic or witchcraft

Strep Vote
May 5, 2004

أنا أحب حليب الشوكولاتة

mormonpartyboat posted:

is the cuck meme magic or witchcraft

It's both. I'd argue it is accidental witchcraft, which I'm sure Kek can appreciate.

FabioClone
Oct 3, 2004

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
It's easy to make fun of this, but if you can believe in it there is a chance it will give you reality-warping superpowers.

Fiction
Apr 28, 2011

Fargo Fukes posted:

If any of this stuff actually worked as true meme magic rather than regular symbology then surely we'd be seventy or so years deep into the thousand-year Reich by now? The swastika was and remains one of the most powerful symbols on earth, and at its height it motivated one of the largest cults of wild-eyed true-believers in history. And it wasn't defeated by a counter symbol, whether the starts-and-stripes or the hammer-and-sickle, but through the day by day movement of guns and butter and the slow work of heavy industry. If meme magic allows us to select and control our reality, why are so many cults of meme magicians defeated by boring old policework and uninspiring state bureaucracy?

I think you'll find that the soviet union's power to defeat the nazis was driven by collective ownership of the memes.

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Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

FabioClone posted:

It's easy to make fun of this, but if you can believe in it there is a chance it will give you reality-warping superpowers.

That's one way of describing schizophrenia.

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