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SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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sorry, did not vote for chores I mean

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SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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##vote chores seriously can we hang this scumbo already

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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tpink posted:

lmao, I cannot loving believe we no-lynched. Way to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory.

I love it when people don't join in the vote then complain about no-lynching.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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tpink posted:

Scum didn't kill me last night because I would have flipped town, thereby confirming that stick is scum. We should have voted stick yesterday, like I said.

Good lord this is stupid. They killed Moatillata because he is confirmed town and the main dispute in this game right now is whether you or stickup is scum, it was the obvious target regardless of which one of you it is.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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tpink posted:

What are you talking about? I voted stick.

Why didn't you vote chores?

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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You are either scum or really bad at this game.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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DrAlexanderTobacco posted:

apologies for not posting much yesterday (or indeed voting), timezones really synced up badly this time around.

I attempted to jail This is a Stickup 2nd time in a row now, both failed - and after re-reading stickup's posts I think his story adds up wrt not being the kidnapper. There is no role in the scum team which can protect another scum, short of kidnapping.

However I still get a scummy vibe w/r/t stickup mainly for the continued focusing on the kidnapper/jailer role - a handy foil claiming he was kidnapped by someone claiming to be me (further obfuscating things); suggests to me that he was kidnapped last night by scumbro to get through to LYLO and push a lynch through. Tpink imo is also extremely on-point about his hiipfire kill, like unless I'm being a retard like usual there's no other way there could have been 3 kills on Night 2????

(Good vig claim) vs (Bad excuse-filled vig claim) = Stickup scumrolecop

##vote this is a stickup

I'm pretty sure Tpink is scum. The only possible reason for your action to fail against Stickup is if he were jailed. If you were jailed, you would have been notified about it because of the communication aspect and they have no other form of roleblocking. And if one scum member was jailing the other, it wouldn't have been possible for there to be a NK.

##vote tpink

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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DrAlexanderTobacco posted:

Roleblocking and protecting is mentioned but scumteam kills? Eager to have clarification from tobbs maybe.

In any case. If what I say was not true - how were there 3 kills that night?

Roleblocking has always included scum kills. If this game had an exception it would be weird and dumb and also make the Escort role incredibly anti-town.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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This game is solved, tpink/chores are the scumteam.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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Also yes holy poo poo unvote while you're unsure about the mechanics so he doesn't get scumrushed

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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have you not even used your one shot kill rofl

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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tpink posted:

Seriously, how are people reading stick's ridiculous posts from yesterday (where he claimed he didn't know that I had claimed vig, that he didn't know that I voted for him, and that he didn't even read all my posts before deciding I was scum) and go "hmm ok that's town."

How do you explain Tobacco's jail attempt on stick up failing? Sorry, this game is solved.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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the ironic part is if their kidnapper did not take an action, this game would not be solved

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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or if the kidnapper did the kill

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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So tpink, how angry are you that chores wasn't here to scumrush the vote with you?

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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Scum roles: Kidnapper, Rolecop.

Living town roles: Jailor, Citizen, Vigilante.

Claims

Citizen: SSV, Chores
Veteran: tpink, stickup
Jailor: Tobacco

So Tobacco is confirmed town Jailor. He attempted to jail stickup, but failed. Seeing as there's no other form of roleblock, that means that stickup was already jailed. If the Kidnapper jailed stickup, stickup is confirmed town because if the kidnapper jailed his own scumbro no kill would have happened.

Just self-vote, this game is done.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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Tobacco would have been notified of a kidnap because kidnapping allows communication between the kidnapper and kidnapee. Tobbs even mentioned that he creates docs for them, so the target would need to be notified that a doc exists.

Sorry, your explanation doesn't work. It's impossible for you to not be scum.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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I mean I'm kinda impressed at how you're holding out in the face of overwhelming evidence.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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DrAlexanderTobacco posted:

I'm swaying from left to right on your arguments here

Current thoughts: SSV/TIAS railroading on tpink is a little weird

TIAS is railroading because they're sharing a claim so to each of them, the other is the only real target.

I'm railroading because with your claim, there's no possible way for him to be town. The only defense he offers is "I don't know how the action failed" because he knows there's no other explanation.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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Seriously.

SirSamVimes posted:

Scum roles: Kidnapper, Rolecop.

Living town roles: Jailor, Citizen, Vigilante.

Claims

Citizen: SSV, Chores
Veteran: tpink, stickup
Jailor: Tobacco

So Tobacco is confirmed town Jailor. He attempted to jail stickup, but failed. Seeing as there's no other form of roleblock, that means that stickup was already jailed. If the Kidnapper jailed stickup, stickup is confirmed town because if the kidnapper jailed his own scumbro no kill would have happened.

Just self-vote, this game is done.

There is no other way things could have happened.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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Chores is only dead set on me because he's sharing my claim.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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A compelling argument dongsbutt

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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okay can you explain to me how the hell tpink isn't scum when the night actions make it impossible

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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because if dongsbot did the night kill and jailed, I'm gonna be mad about this game

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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I don't get it. If you roleblock someone, your action succeeded. If your action failed, that should mean the target didn't get roleblocked. Listing it as a mutual fail seems like a weird way of handling it.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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chaoslord posted:

:psyduck: how did town lose this? How was chores not the one voted out?

I wasn't even town and I am mad irl

Because for some reason people considered his claim valid and when I tried to push his lynch it resulted in a no lynch.

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SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

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chaoslord posted:

You also could have voted the scum chores :colbert:

He did, but tpink and tobacco didn't. For some reason the last person to throw out a halfhearted claim was given the same level of consideration as the first person to claim.

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